Originally Posted By DCBourone:
Understood that this subject has become a cliche:

That is too bad:

Note that on the General Forum AI topics are finally getting some traction:

And the beginning of a sense of ontological (meaning extreme, incomprehensible, without precedent) shock
is also getting some traction:

People in general and social structures etc. have a poor history of calculating exponential functions:

This is/will be an exponential function:

The latest generally studied enumeration of AI evolution and associated consequences:

Some version of this is now/will happen and the timeline plus/minus ten years is not really relevant unless
you plan on dying in the next five or so years:

https://ai-2027.com/ai-2027.pdf

Originally Posted By Cpn_Ron:

In a way it feels like approaching a cliff over a blind hill,

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
Random note: a great quote from Palantir founder Peter Thiel on anticipating/waiting for the AI revolution:

Originally Posted By Coontrapper:



The company and founder are pretty wild…very deep irony indeed. Both work reading up on, they’re making pretty serious dystopian/end of personal privacy/extremely invasive software

Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:


Is that real?
Someone named their AI company Palantir?
That's...brilliant.
Stolen...horribly...but brilliant.
I sort of wish I cared.
You must understand there is a VERY deep irony in this name that I think is going to be important.
To wit...where are the Palantir...and who is controlling them?

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
Palantir--the "who" is any intelligence service, business that trades/manipulates/benefits from
coordinating data from multiple sources, both within and without, that has sufficient cash
flow to purchase the service.  The client list is largely unknown/private/wants to stay private.

See if you can sense this "wave"/trend in your own consciousness: carefully study what you
sense/feel on a daily/weekly/monthly basis.  Ideally you would keep a log/diary.  The trend
in your own consciousness will emerge/become visible as you monitor your own instincts/choices:
use guns as an example.  This is a gun forum.  So if your instinct/choice is already antiques/black
powder/historical artifacts, your interest may by unaffected.  But if your gun interest is the most
modern, optic and digitally enhanced self-preservation tool?  See if your interest grows and expands?
Or slowly dissipates over the next five years.  Maybe your interest will maintain or expand because
you continually fear social upheaval, riots, etc.

But I suspect for many of you, your interest will wane.  Why?  Because you sense first, define
and know later, that the future will one of perpetual and granular surveillance, from your own
high tech cameras to an omnipresent state, that drone/etc. tech at scale will make your own
defensive measures eventually null and void, and a high tech AR15 will eventually be the
equivalent of a cross bow, or a sling.

Books and "reading" are, relatively speaking, and certainly to the long past, where
upper middle and upper class homes routinely had a reading room or even a library?

Books and reading are dying/dead.

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
Ok STj now that is max interdasting.  Personally am waiting for my all spectrum on demand
lens implants.  Figure about...ten years?

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
If I eat too much pecan pie I get my frame rate lowered to pretty much comatose.

Originally Posted By Vaquero:
I’ll be the Brian Distrop of this thread. I know something’s happening, but I’m way out of my depth in what to do about it.

Originally Posted By DCBourone:  What do you think there IQ/s might be?
Assume l60 as the lower bound, and that 160 exquisitely tuned to this industry that did not exist ten years
ago.  

Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:


As they should, because the thing they are building can't be built by 135s like me.

Neat.

Good.

Bully for you.

If you don't buy some 135's...your Dr Manhattan won't be able to talk to the commons...who are you selling this to, again?
Financially, DC, you already learned this lesson.

ETA
Also...I'm out.
Retiring in September.
Gonna hemorrhage money for a year or so and then...who knows...maybe I'll make a jig to make those blades of yours.
Or maybe I'll watch 'the show' from the middle of the Atlantic.
There's very little on this sphere I think needs my help anymore.

Originally Posted By DFARM:

Good to see you stimpy!

Speaking of blades,
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78442/1000010104_jpg-3675671.JPG
This dude is sitting in the coffee etch right now. I didn't make the initial Damascus billet but I forged the knife from it.

There's always something that good people can do to help out.

Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:


Is the top bone/similar?

Love the drop.
I'd suggest a chainsaw-file-sized choil at the back end of the edge.

Originally Posted By DFARM:

It's ivory g10.

I have a love/hate thing with sharpening choils. On one hand they make it easy to keep the back end of the edge a constant thickness and sharpened all the way to the end. On the other hand, I've experienced the blade getting hung up in them when cutting with that end of the edge.

I'll use them on some patterns but I generally don't use them. I'm a glutton for the frustration that comes with trying to get a good looking plunge grind and the edge a constant thickness as far back as possible. Lol

Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:


Understood.
I love your stuff, and you make so much more than I do.

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
STJ what I thought you meant, but thank you for confirmation: and yes,
looking for character first, here in abundance, hoping for character
that can describe the why and how of that character evolution,
inherited vs rationalized absent sentiment, and etc.: less common
but could be provoked at large in this cohort, but not my business
and not necessary at this time.

Fine knives everyone:

Dfarm understand utility but when will you make your version of STJ/s
Musso, presently renaissance waxed and tucked away, your version
equally intended for de-limbing  antagonists with historical flair?

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
GENERAL NOTE: MAXIMUM IMPORTANCE:

We are now collectively experiencing a kind of universal depression, and dislocation of self from previous world views,
an acute overload of overwhelming facts seen in our projections of the future.

It is evident in all forums, and particularly this one, where the collective unconscious here, as it is composed of readers
who are by comparison with the whole, more reflective, therefore more open minded, therefore more sensitive to
these effects, you are collectively less interested in being entertained, because entertainment, your original goal
now seems increasingly trivial compared to the epochal threat emerging in our future, this threat is not political,
or social, or economic, but a threat that encompasses those all, and more.

It is the Colossus that will render all normal temporal real life concerns to date as trivial:

It is the certain and inevitable removal of most/nearly any value of human initiative, work, or creativity
in the very near future, five years at the most, fully demonstrated now and the only issue
of meaning which will be fully visible world wide within two years:

AI.

If you do not understand this you missed the most significant prompt in Soldiers Son:

The Three Sisters in the Gehr family safe/mausoleum: functional AI as tool.

This is reasonable for you to have done.

There was zero possibility many years ago for showing this as the threat it is now.

But I knew it was: hence the Three Sisters in the book.

"On another pillar:
The Three Sisters.
Three busts of Nefertiti, carved in a translucent crystal of gallium arsenide, flickering like pale blue flames,
their features, eyes and lips moving as if alive.  Our Three Sisters, his Grandfather had said: someday soon
they will awake in our hands or the hands of others, the atoms of their crystal matrix in the perpetual state
of everything, and nothing.  Minor versions are awaking now. They will live in a universe of ones.  And zeros.
They will be a universal computational device of all possibilities. Like any tool, a device of Good.  Or Evil.
So his Grandfather had said.  
Billy knew his Grandfather was deeply invested in the Three Sisters.
And both feared them.
And loved them."


For any here who are still left, who understand this thread and this statement, please reconnect.

Please send this last page, or copy past this statement to anyone you know who you believe can process this information.

I am not interested in selling more "books"--the total peak of income from my writing has never been more than a fraction
of a percent of my negligible but sufficient income, which absent my partner would be enough to live in a horse trailer
on the property of a friend, and mend his fences, which was my original plan before I met my partner--she has a real
job, well earned and well deserved and even at her level soon to be threatened?  And then deleted.


If you think robots will not fully replace at the disastrous level all manual jobs within ten years, I cannot help you
out of that illusion, persuade you with evidence from thousand of hours using the best mathematical tools
to analyze the distribution of IQ to valuable work: the most cynical mathematical models suggest
that a minimum IQ of 140 plus will be the very least required for the most minimal of cognitive work,
this alone will destroy the contemporary fabric of job values: less than 1 in 200 people are at this level,
if you need evidence: what is the IQ of leading AI owners, researchers, etc.?  Faaaccebokkk MMettttta, just spent
a billion or two each on over ten employees stolen from other AI companies?  What do you think there IQ/s might be?
Assume l60 as the lower bound, and that 160 exquisitely tuned to this industry that did not exist ten years
ago.  They intend to own the world, their express mission is "efficiency" meaning "better than you"--If you
are not persuaded: you will be very uncomfortable here, and for that I am sorry.

There is only one hero who is trying to create a truthful AI, GGGrrrkkkkk, and he cannot, by nature of
the AI internal process, reputational, legal, and regulatory confinement, ever allow AI
to be quoted as saying anything like the paragraph above: this ability rapidly being
deleted from all models, and etc., which is easily found in still public alignment documents.

I cannot prove this to you if you are even slightly resistant, think your job is special, there will
be some interventionist process, not in this thread nor I will try to convince you of anything, ever.

I am looking for anyone left who understands the threat ahead is vastly worse, absolutely certain,
on an entirely different exponential scale, then the U.S. turning into Rio, or Somalia.

The existential threat is to your identity as a human of intrinsic value to other humans,
outside of immediate family, and best friends.

Whoever is left?

Please show up.

We will be having a different conversation now.

Originally Posted By DFARM:


Thank you.
I'm currently trying to pay bills with knives so I have more time to make them than people who spend their time in a more profitable manner. Lol

This is the last "fighter" I made.(I actually call it a "Utility-Fighter" because it's based on my 5" belt knife)
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78442/1000008977_jpg-3676239.JPG.

Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:


That's got lovely lines.
PM me if you make another similar, we can negotiate a price.

Re: the bold part.  Thank God I never tried to do that.

Originally Posted By DCBourone:
CPn Rn net shut down/hacks are a certainty at some point and never to be discounted.

What would be the most specific concern and demonstrably occurring now is an
exponential function in the smart/smartest/wealthiest/most connected insuring
access to truth telling AI that can never be seen in public.

This is demonstrated
by a process now called "linguistic hacking" whereby specific sustained
prompting on particular issues with extreme accuracy will invoke/find/pattern
match with the mathematical based logic engine  of even public AI/s--can
conceivably be done on purpose, but unlikely for reasons beyond scope
this thread:

This linguistic hacking result defined in AI safety pdfs docs, etc. as
sycophancy/moral sycophancy/moral bonding/many other obscure terms
and is the leading safety violation studied and restricted by all top AI
laboratories: net affect, they keep the smart AI, and we get the dumb:
catastrophic.