Posted: 7/27/2010 3:57:38 PM EDT
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I feel my family and I are pretty prepaired, nothing compared to some of you guys.
I have a few fall back plans, depending on the situation. The funny thing about my plans are falling back to a locations that I do not own. I know that sounds funny, but its a perfect location to keep my family secure. Sure, it may be occupied and the plan may fall short and we will have to improvise, but is this line of thinking wrong? |
| So you're going to kill someone for their property because you can't own it? or beat someone else to their BOL occupy and defend it from its rightful owners? I'd say thats a pretty flawed plan i can understand doing what it takes mentality but falling short of a serious all out end of the world doomsday event... probably will not work out very well for you. But thats just my opinion. You're lacking a lot of details on this one to make a really accurate question. |
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By saying "occupied," do you mean like a national forest with squatters? Or are you referring to taking someone else's home/land from them? Its not really someones home or land, but a location. And I wouldn't plan to take it from anyone, if someone (owner or not) was at this location we would move along to a different plan. Its a loction where most would not be able to get to, but we could. So I would expect it to be empty in such a scenario. |
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So you're going to kill someone for their property because you can't own it? or beat someone else to their BOL occupy and defend it from its rightful owners? I'd say thats a pretty flawed plan i can understand doing what it takes mentality but falling short of a serious all out end of the world doomsday event... probably will not work out very well for you. But thats just my opinion. You're lacking a lot of details on this one to make a really accurate question. No, I never said take or kill someone else for their land. Actually it is a state owned property, so I doubt anyone has plans for it. An example, if there was an old empty building on the outside of your town that could be used as a secure site, you know of the building personally and know it provides great features of shelter and protection. Do you have a plan to get there, or do you not because you don't own it. |
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So you're going to kill someone for their property because you can't own it? or beat someone else to their BOL occupy and defend it from its rightful owners? I'd say thats a pretty flawed plan i can understand doing what it takes mentality but falling short of a serious all out end of the world doomsday event... probably will not work out very well for you. But thats just my opinion. You're lacking a lot of details on this one to make a really accurate question. No, I never said take or kill someone else for their land. Actually it is a state owned property, so I doubt anyone has plans for it. An example, if there was an old empty building on the outside of your town that could be used as a secure site, you know of the building personally and know it provides great features of shelter and protection. Do you have a plan to get there, or do you not because you don't own it. It wa san assumption. But generally speaking from a legallity standpoint its a dice game. And for what its worth, I dont have a plan to go to anything I dont own or dont have an arrangement with the owner(s). But situation will dictate detours. |
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So you're going to kill someone for their property because you can't own it? or beat someone else to their BOL occupy and defend it from its rightful owners? I'd say thats a pretty flawed plan i can understand doing what it takes mentality but falling short of a serious all out end of the world doomsday event... probably will not work out very well for you. But thats just my opinion. You're lacking a lot of details on this one to make a really accurate question. No, I never said take or kill someone else for their land. Actually it is a state owned property, so I doubt anyone has plans for it. An example, if there was an old empty building on the outside of your town that could be used as a secure site, you know of the building personally and know it provides great features of shelter and protection. Do you have a plan to get there, or do you not because you don't own it. It wa san assumption. But generally speaking from a legallity standpoint its a dice game. And for what its worth, I dont have a plan to go to anything I dont own or dont have an arrangement with the owner(s). But situation will dictate detours. If there is a situation that I can't bunker down in one of my personally owned properties, then there is no law or legaility. In that case its survival. |
| Have you ever thought about getting out and meeting other people of like mind? even if they are remotely like minded that could be your saving grace when SHTF. Your plan sounds very unsure to me. Just my opinion of course and you can tell me to FOAD or something like that if you like. Just an observation. There are a ton of good people in your area, I know this for sure. |
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Me an my family are well prepaired.
We have over 500 acres of land, and multiple other properties. Thats not the concern here, and as far as wanting others, I have others who I would welcome with me. The purpose behind my post was, sometimes when I'm in town or in other places I look for buildings and locations that could be used in a case where we need to move. I was just wondering if this line of thinking was different then others. |
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If I had 500 acres, and a multitude of other propertys I would shore up the most desirable location that I owned and make that the main location.
With a multitude of other propertys, I would then consider which would make the most logical 2nd, and 3rd options, and invest effort into makeing those fall back locals. Now if I got cought away from home when the ball drops, of course I would use my knoledge of the area to my advantage in makeing my way home. Please dont misinterpret my meaning. I try my best to fallow the Golden rule. Not just when someones watching either. Walk beneath the light |
| I see where the OP is going, and yes, I take note of various defensible/feasible locations in my travels. I've been in situations where we were on Plan ZB before things finally leveled out, so I'm used to improvising on the fly. And a fallback location is just that, a fallback. And the more you've scoped, the more likely you'll find one not already occupied or destroyed. |
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I see what the OP is getting at, and I think it is never a bad idea to know your area and keep options filed away in your head. My primary plan is to bug in. My home is made of field stone with walls that are over a foot thick. In troubled times, it will "fort up' very nicely. But I also share a BOL with a friend, and that is an hour away by the most direct route.
While remaining in place is the most desirable, I have four ways out of the house. I have also scoped out seven different ways of getting to the BOL, some of which cover almost double the miles of the most direct route because of their winding back road nature. Along all these routes I have scoped out abandoned plants, factories, and farms as possible "hole up" locations, to be used to rest or hide or let a threat pass. I think this is the concept the OP is discussing. I would not ever try to displace a rightful owner, or even a squatter that got there before me. But I would have no problem utilizing an abandoned or unused building as a temporary shelter en route to my BOL. If an owner showed (or someone claiming to be the owner) and asked me to leave, I would, with no argument. I will also respect the property, regardless of condition or duration of stay, and leave nothing but foot prints in my wake. Plan A (of the bug out plan) is to get to the BOL as quickly and directly as possible. But if I am heading out to the BOL (for anything other than weekend recreation) then things are pretty much f#@ked up, and Plan A is most likely going to have to be changed and adjusted. So having a few options and places to take shelter is not a bad idea. It's just really important to use good sense and good manners. stasiman |
| I think the OP is really just espousing good situational awareness, should you find yourself in a bad way, not on your set aside BOL. This would have to be a very dangerous and fluid situation before I would consider holing up somewhere that I didn't own, or was not invited to. |
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I think the OP is really just espousing good situational awareness, should you find yourself in a bad way, not on your set aside BOL. This would have to be a very dangerous and fluid situation before I would consider holing up somewhere that I didn't own, or was not invited to. I concur, things would have to be going south in a hurry. But it is always good to keep as many options/plans/ideas at your finger tips. stasiman |
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