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5/25/2011 11:31:52 AM EDT
Hi guys.

My smalle engine fu is weak.  Its not my thing. With this in mind I need SF help.

I have a generac 4000xl that has been completely reliable.  Its got a Generac 220 N 7.8hp ohvi engine.  I ran it for four hours maybe 10 days ago doing some light construction.  Ran like a top.  Fired it up to do more light construction today and it ran without issue for another 4 or 5 hours.  Mid job it sputtered to a stop, sounding exactly like it ran out of fuel:  sort of a slight reduction in rmp, a sputter and then nothing.  No problem,  I figure it is out of gas.

WTF?  there is 1/3 of a tank of gas in there!  I pull the starter, it fires up immediately, runs wonderfully for 15-20 seconds, and sputters to a stop again.  I can repeatedly pull the cord,it will immediately catch and run for the same sort of 15-20 seconds before sputtering to a stop.

I've drained and replaced the fuel.  Drained the carb bowl.  Replaced the plug.  Air filter is like new (bright white aand very clean);  I've run it a bit and hosed it with carb cleaner. Nothing. Still starts wonderfully,runs 20 seconds and quits.  It does have a low oil cuut off, but the red warning light is off, and the oil is good.

This generator is an essential piece of my survival equipment.  It runs my furnace fan and well pump.

Input is appreciated.

Fro
5/25/2011 11:38:43 AM EDT
[#1]
Sounds like carb issues.  Have somebody to a carb rebuild on it.
5/25/2011 11:47:39 AM EDT
[#2]
my small engine-fu is horrible, but it sounds like the carb is clogged.  Like when you start the motor, it sucks all of the fuel from the bowl faster than it can refill and it runs out.  There may be trash stuck in the line.
5/25/2011 11:59:05 AM EDT
[#3]
Change the fuel filter. Use some carb cleaner spray on the carb and add some gumout or similar to the remaining fuel.

Good luck!

5/25/2011 12:39:31 PM EDT
[#4]
Fro,

It's the low oil shutdown switch that's located next to the oil filter.  Unplug the wire going to it to trouble shoot.  I spent half the night rebuilding and cleaning the carb on mine last time the power went out, only to figure out the next morning what it was.  Drove me crazy...well, crazier.  

David
5/25/2011 1:38:09 PM EDT
[#5]




Quoted:

Fro,



It's the low oil shutdown switch that's located next to the oil filter. Unplug the wire going to it to trouble shoot. I spent half the night rebuilding and cleaning the carb on mine last time the power went out, only to figure out the next morning what it was. Drove me crazy...well, crazier.



David




Good call David.  Those darn sensors are great when you are out of oil, but a nightmare when you are not.  Honestly, I'd rather not have the feature as I check the oil frequently.
5/25/2011 2:05:06 PM EDT
[#6]



Quoted:


Fro,



It's the low oil shutdown switch that's located next to the oil filter.  Unplug the wire going to it to trouble shoot.  I spent half the night rebuilding and cleaning the carb on mine last time the power went out, only to figure out the next morning what it was.  Drove me crazy...well, crazier.  



David


I was going to suggest this.



When the oil gets thin(not changed frequently enough), it can sometimes trip the sensor.



 
5/25/2011 2:10:36 PM EDT
[#7]
If it's not the oil sensor see if it will run on choke.  If it does then you have carb issues.

Grove
5/25/2011 2:58:51 PM EDT
[#8]
This model has an oil pressure switch, rather than an oil level switch.

If temporarily unplugging the switch doesn't fix the problem, try loosening the fuel cap while the engine is running - If the cap isn't venting properly, it will create a vacuum inside the tank that will starve the engine for fuel.
5/25/2011 3:29:42 PM EDT
[#9]
Or if the unit has a primer bulb, check that too. I've replaced two this year on older lawnmower units - briggs stratton and techumseh engine.  If it even has a tiny crack in it, it will run for a few seconds then cut out as if it's out of gas.  Could check it if it does have a crack or hole, push it in or pump it when it's just starting to cut out.  

Just my worthless .02 cents
5/25/2011 4:18:53 PM EDT
[#10]
I've got the same model genset, as do many here.  Did the switch fix it?  The only other thing I can think is a fuel filter or fuel line clog.  

On a side note, everyone here with one of these, where in the heck do you get a new fuel gauge?  Mine cracked and fell apart from being stored in the Connex (it gets way too hot in there).  I don't really care about not having the gauge, but now I have a nice big vent hole into my fuel tank that can't be good for it.


Quoted:
Or if the unit has a primer bulb, check that too. I've replaced two this year on older lawnmower units - briggs stratton and techumseh engine.  If it even has a tiny crack in it, it will run for a few seconds then cut out as if it's out of gas.  Could check it if it does have a crack or hole, push it in or pump it when it's just starting to cut out.  

Just my worthless .02 cents

No primer bulb on it.
5/25/2011 4:26:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Check the vent on the gas cap. Mine once did the same thing and I found dried mud packed in the hole.  Don't ask me how it got there, I never take it outside of the garage except to run it. Maybe some kind of bug, IDK.
5/25/2011 10:26:52 PM EDT
[#12]
Oil pressure switch or filler cap vent sound like good candidates.



If those don't work, run some seafoam through it.  Stuff works miracles.
5/26/2011 5:16:08 PM EDT
[#13]
It was the damned oil pressure switch.  Thanks guys
5/26/2011 5:32:01 PM EDT
[#14]
My brother had the same generator with a similar problem. I found it had a small crack in the fuel line causing it to draw in air {but not leak fuel} and starve the carb. Changing the fuel line on these are a pain in the butt.
5/26/2011 6:32:28 PM EDT
[#15]



Quoted:


It was the damned oil pressure switch.  Thanks guys


Put in a new switch. Lots of people will just cut the wire off or tape it up. Not a good idea IMO.