Posted: 4/15/2011 1:23:39 PM EDT
| So I've got a LBE, fully loaded GHB, AR10, AR15, 1911, M700 with Leopold M4 and bipod and a Glock 21, 22 and 17. I'm thinking I should carry ten magazines for each long gun (500 rounds for the M700) and six each for the pistols. My BOL is 430 miles from my Apt. What pack and chest rig do you recommend I carry all this in. I'm thinking I could carry my two kids every once in awhile if I have the correct tactical slings on each rifle. Otherwise we'll be slowed down, they're 5 and 7. The wife's not really on board, but she could probably carry her make up. I'm thinking once she's over her crying/shock at the EOTWAWKI we could probably make the trek. What canvas wall tent would you recommmend I carry? I'm not sure how much my kids and wife can carry, we might have to stop more than I'd like. Do you think we'd be able to find packs for them along the way. If not, what type of pack should I prep for my 5 and 7 year olds? |
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So I've got a LBE, fully loaded GHB, AR10, AR15, 1911, M700 with Leopold M4 and bipod and a Glock 21, 22 and 17. I'm thinking I should carry ten magazines for each long gun (500 rounds for the M700) and six each for the pistols. My BOL is 430 miles from my Apt. What pack and chest rig do you recommend I carry all this in. I'm thinking I could carry my two kids every once in awhile if I have the correct tactical slings on each rifle. Otherwise we'll be slowed down, they're 5 and 7. The wife's not really on board, but she could probably carry her make up. I'm thinking once she's over her crying/shock at the EOTWAWKI we could probably make the trek. What canvas wall tent would you recommmend I carry? I'm not sure how much my kids and wife can carry, we might have to stop more than I'd like. Do you think we'd be able to find packs for them along the way. If not, what type of pack should I prep for my 5 and 7 year olds? Jeep Cherokee Seriously. You aren't moving 430 miles with all that gear and kids. ETA: Your ammunition alone weighs a metric ton. 3 long guns, 3 handguns, IN ADDITION to your living gear. Not going to happen dude. Sorry. Whats the most walking you've ever done? Whats the heaviest load you've walked with? |
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So I've got a LBE, fully loaded GHB, AR10, AR15, 1911, M700 with Leopold M4 and bipod and a Glock 21, 22 and 17. I'm thinking I should carry ten magazines for each long gun (500 rounds for the M700) and six each for the pistols. My BOL is 430 miles from my Apt. What pack and chest rig do you recommend I carry all this in. I'm thinking I could carry my two kids every once in awhile if I have the correct tactical slings on each rifle. Otherwise we'll be slowed down, they're 5 and 7. The wife's not really on board, but she could probably carry her make up. I'm thinking once she's over her crying/shock at the EOTWAWKI we could probably make the trek. What canvas wall tent would you recommmend I carry? I'm not sure how much my kids and wife can carry, we might have to stop more than I'd like. Do you think we'd be able to find packs for them along the way. If not, what type of pack should I prep for my 5 and 7 year olds? Jeep Cherokee Seriously. You aren't moving 430 miles with all that gear and kids. This. 430 miles at 10 miles a day ... not gonna happen. You'd need to pre-position food and water along your route. Then what would happen if your route needed to be changed? Spare gas cans and a good car kit - then start working on day hikes and go from there. |
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So I've got a LBE, fully loaded GHB, AR10, AR15, 1911, M700 with Leopold M4 and bipod and a Glock 21, 22 and 17. I'm thinking I should carry ten magazines for each long gun (500 rounds for the M700) and six each for the pistols. My BOL is 430 miles from my Apt. What pack and chest rig do you recommend I carry all this in. I'm thinking I could carry my two kids every once in awhile if I have the correct tactical slings on each rifle. Otherwise we'll be slowed down, they're 5 and 7. The wife's not really on board, but she could probably carry her make up. I'm thinking once she's over her crying/shock at the EOTWAWKI we could probably make the trek. What canvas wall tent would you recommmend I carry? I'm not sure how much my kids and wife can carry, we might have to stop more than I'd like. Do you think we'd be able to find packs for them along the way. If not, what type of pack should I prep for my 5 and 7 year olds? seriously...you are F'ing with us...... arent you? |
It isn't sportsmanlike to use that much bait.| I tend to agree with the prior posters. You won't get far on foot with all that gear. You're best bet is to prestage some of it at the BOL ahead of time in a secure location. Perhaps burried properly, etc. Walking 430 miles on foot is going to take you a very long time and you'd most likely need more in calories than ammo to make that trek. You're best bet is to load it all up in a reliable vehicle if you can't prestage supplies and gear. Short of that or the vehicle, get some sort of pack animal or cart that you can pull on foot. That's my 2 cents. Me personally, I'd rethink that plan. |
| OK, so I'm finishing off the last mile of my ten mile run and I started to think, what would be the best way to carry a minimal amount of gear on my line one gear? What's the best line one gear to cover distance with? I'm thinking absolute minimum. Radically minimum, such as when they ran the Pony Express, riders didn't even carry a sidearm, thru Indian territory. Not that I'd go without a pistol, but that's the direction I'm thinking. Minimal water and shelter, maybe some Gels or a power bar. Currently I run with either a G22 or a 23 in a fanny pack. |
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If this isn't a joke post, I'd suggest you do some reading on ultra-light hiking, as well as the Appalacian trail. Also, no way your kids will survive a 430 mile walk. It will kill them. ...gotta be....or its Protus under another name....you know what a huckster he can be...and its been a while since his last good gaff on us 
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It it wasn't for the 376 posts, I'd think this was troll joke.
430 miles is a HUGE distance. Just covering that without support would be iffy. Even at 15 miles a day, you'd need to bring 28 days of food on your back. Covering that distance with multiple long guns, multiple handguns, huge amounts of ammo, and Car, truck, van, SUV, motorcycle. Take your pick. Walking isn't a real option without support. |
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OK, so I'm finishing off the last mile of my ten mile run and I started to think, what would be the best way to carry a minimal amount of gear on my line one gear? What's the best line one gear to cover distance with? I'm thinking absolute minimum. Radically minimum, such as when they ran the Pony Express, riders didn't even carry a sidearm, thru Indian territory. Not that I'd go without a pistol, but that's the direction I'm thinking. Minimal water and shelter, maybe some Gels or a power bar. Currently I run with either a G22 or a 23 in a fanny pack. During my runs I sometimes think about the outrageous loads people intend to carry half way across the country. Thats what was the inspiration for this post. I only have ~ 45 miles to travel from work to my BOL, where I live. I'm thinking worst case scenario, if I had to ditch my vehicle and GHB I could make it with just my line one gear. Has anyone else thought about having to abandon their GHB, for whatever reason, and make it back on their line one? I know if I had to ditch my gear, I'd probably have to run/evade for several miles, so I'd need to be as light as possible. |
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When I was a cadet, I had to go to Ft. Lewis one summer. One of our Tacs was an experienced long-tabber (SF).
While running one exercise we left our packs at the assembly area and moved to our objective. We got trashed for leaving our packs. As this SF NCO put it, your pack is your life line. If you don't have your bag, you have nothing. No water, no food, no clothing, no equipment of any sort. If you leave it stashed somewhere, consider it gone. If you need to take it off for whatever reason, keep it near by. If your BOB/GHB is so heavy you need to dump it to "evade", it's probably too heavy period. |
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Here, let me help you with that.
The answer to his tactical movement needs Good day sir. |
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OK, so I'm finishing off the last mile of my ten mile run and I started to think, what would be the best way to carry a minimal amount of gear on my line one gear? What's the best line one gear to cover distance with? I'm thinking absolute minimum. Radically minimum, such as when they ran the Pony Express, riders didn't even carry a sidearm, thru Indian territory. Not that I'd go without a pistol, but that's the direction I'm thinking. Minimal water and shelter, maybe some Gels or a power bar. Currently I run with either a G22 or a 23 in a fanny pack. During my runs I sometimes think about the outrageous loads people intend to carry half way across the country. Thats what was the inspiration for this post. I only have ~ 45 miles to travel from work to my BOL, where I live. I'm thinking worst case scenario, if I had to ditch my vehicle and GHB I could make it with just my line one gear. Has anyone else thought about having to abandon their GHB, for whatever reason, and make it back on their line one? I know if I had to ditch my gear, I'd probably have to run/evade for several miles, so I'd need to be as light as possible. now you sound serious. I say a pistol and 2 spare mags, a collapsible water bladder, with filter, 5 energy bars and a mini flashlight. kids will almost slow your EE to a slow walk. plan accordingly. |
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OK, so I'm finishing off the last mile of my ten mile run and I started to think, what would be the best way to carry a minimal amount of gear on my line one gear? What's the best line one gear to cover distance with? I'm thinking absolute minimum. Radically minimum, such as when they ran the Pony Express, riders didn't even carry a sidearm, thru Indian territory. Not that I'd go without a pistol, but that's the direction I'm thinking. Minimal water and shelter, maybe some Gels or a power bar. Currently I run with either a G22 or a 23 in a fanny pack. During my runs I sometimes think about the outrageous loads people intend to carry half way across the country. Thats what was the inspiration for this post. I only have ~ 45 miles to travel from work to my BOL, where I live. I'm thinking worst case scenario, if I had to ditch my vehicle and GHB I could make it with just my line one gear. Has anyone else thought about having to abandon their GHB, for whatever reason, and make it back on their line one? I know if I had to ditch my gear, I'd probably have to run/evade for several miles, so I'd need to be as light as possible. now you sound serious. I say a pistol and 2 spare mags, a collapsible water bladder, with filter, 5 energy bars and a mini flashlight. kids will almost slow your EE to a slow walk. plan accordingly. Yes, this is the serious part. I was trying to point out in a light hearted way how some over pack. Seriously, my wife can pull her weight. It's my ex wife who would worry about her makeup and be basically useless. Are there any other runners out there who would make time with just your line one gear? I'm talking about traveling ~ 45 miles to get back home solo, no kids or wife with me. I carry when I run or cycle with a fanny pack, positioned on my back. Not the best if I have to draw in a hurry. However, when it's in front it bounces to much and the full size one can interfere with the boys. Any other ideas for an alternative carry method? I've found that the Platypus bladder in a carrier works great for cycling or even running. I'm thinking a bandanna to prefilter and some tablets to make water potable would be lighter than a filter. Does anyone have any experience with the "straw" type filters? Would one of those be light enough? |
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Yes, this is the serious part. I was trying to point out in a light hearted way how some over pack. Seriously, my wife can pull her weight. It's my ex wife who would worry about her makeup and be basically useless. Are there any other runners out there who would make time with just your line one gear? I'm talking about traveling ~ 45 miles to get back home solo, no kids or wife with me. I carry when I run or cycle with a fanny pack, positioned on my back. Not the best if I have to draw in a hurry. However, when it's in front it bounces to much and the full size one can interfere with the boys. Any other ideas for an alternative carry method? I've found that the Platypus bladder in a carrier works great for cycling or even running. I'm thinking a bandanna to prefilter and some tablets to make water potable would be lighter than a filter. Does anyone have any experience with the "straw" type filters? Would one of those be light enough? ok, i WAS gonna say that you were two weeks behind the curve. OP shoulda been made on 4-1. 45 or 50 miles? on foot? that's two marathons, typical walking speed is 4 MPH. Marathoners have support, even the ultrarunning stuff like the Western States 100 has support. there's a 30 hour time cutoff for that race. without support and in street clothes, it'll be a big challenge. sooo, if you're a world class endurance runner, you could get home in 15 hrs... with support. it's technically possible, it just ain't likely. get a nice mountain bike (not crap from WalMart). i've done centuries (100 mile supported rides... they have food stops... about 3 or 4 rest stops with snacks, water and lunch) on a MTB, and 75 mile rides for fun with no support, but you've gotta be in shape. if you were, you could do 50 miles in as little as 4 hours or so. fat, knobby tires will add time, elevation gains will add time, downhills will cut time. you could even carry some gear in a small pack on the bike, and a Camelbak for extra water. the problem with tablets or other treatments is that it takes time to treat before you can drink. the time will vary with the temp of the water. straw filters will work if you have water sources, but they have a limited service life. not a huge problem for the scenario you describe. you can also get filtering bottles. fill it with raw water and it filters as you drink. and you can get inline filters for Camelbaks. |
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Being a former Marine grunt (0311) I would hardly get for with all that gear. I even run a lot.
Just an FYI as of last year I used to run 8 miles 3x a week pretty fast (been running for many years). One day I thought I would start running with my body armor vest to "add some weight" and after my second 8 mile run I jacked my knee up. I would look at a large eberlestock pack with the weapon holder and load it to the max and practice hiking with it. I would work your way up with the weight too. For the kids just get the some kids school packs in earth tone colors and they can carry some of their cloths and snacks. You can get a high end backpacking 4 person tent that will be around 8lbs http://www.thenorthface.com/catalog/sc-gear/equipment-tents-filter-category-3-season/double-headed-toad-44.html you can also do two ultralight tents, or cram in a 3 person |
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Yes, this is the serious part. I was trying to point out in a light hearted way how some over pack. Seriously, my wife can pull her weight. It's my ex wife who would worry about her makeup and be basically useless. Are there any other runners out there who would make time with just your line one gear? I'm talking about traveling ~ 45 miles to get back home solo, no kids or wife with me. I carry when I run or cycle with a fanny pack, positioned on my back. Not the best if I have to draw in a hurry. However, when it's in front it bounces to much and the full size one can interfere with the boys. Any other ideas for an alternative carry method? I've found that the Platypus bladder in a carrier works great for cycling or even running. I'm thinking a bandanna to prefilter and some tablets to make water potable would be lighter than a filter. Does anyone have any experience with the "straw" type filters? Would one of those be light enough? ok, i WAS gonna say that you were two weeks behind the curve. OP shoulda been made on 4-1. 45 or 50 miles? on foot? that's two marathons, typical walking speed is 4 MPH. Marathoners have support, even the ultrarunning stuff like the Western States 100 has support. there's a 30 hour time cutoff for that race. without support and in street clothes, it'll be a big challenge. sooo, if you're a world class endurance runner, you could get home in 15 hrs... with support. it's technically possible, it just ain't likely. get a nice mountain bike (not crap from WalMart). i've done centuries (100 mile supported rides... they have food stops... about 3 or 4 rest stops with snacks, water and lunch) on a MTB, and 75 mile rides for fun with no support, but you've gotta be in shape. if you were, you could do 50 miles in as little as 4 hours or so. fat, knobby tires will add time, elevation gains will add time, downhills will cut time. you could even carry some gear in a small pack on the bike, and a Camelbak for extra water. the problem with tablets or other treatments is that it takes time to treat before you can drink. the time will vary with the temp of the water. straw filters will work if you have water sources, but they have a limited service life. not a huge problem for the scenario you describe. you can also get filtering bottles. fill it with raw water and it filters as you drink. and you can get inline filters for Camelbaks. Good point about the time between treatment. I'd forgotten that. Any recommendations for the straws or filtering bottles? |
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So I've got a LBE, fully loaded GHB, AR10, AR15, 1911, M700 with Leopold M4 and bipod and a Glock 21, 22 and 17. I'm thinking I should carry ten magazines for each long gun (500 rounds for the M700) and six each for the pistols. My BOL is 430 miles from my Apt. What pack and chest rig do you recommend I carry all this in. During WWII the US Army had to move heavy loads in roadless county. It used pack mules. I suggest you look into that solution.
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Yes, this is the serious part. I was trying to point out in a light hearted way how some over pack. Seriously, my wife can pull her weight. It's my ex wife who would worry about her makeup and be basically useless. Are there any other runners out there who would make time with just your line one gear? I'm talking about traveling ~ 45 miles to get back home solo, no kids or wife with me. I carry when I run or cycle with a fanny pack, positioned on my back. Not the best if I have to draw in a hurry. However, when it's in front it bounces to much and the full size one can interfere with the boys. Any other ideas for an alternative carry method? I've found that the Platypus bladder in a carrier works great for cycling or even running. I'm thinking a bandanna to prefilter and some tablets to make water potable would be lighter than a filter. Does anyone have any experience with the "straw" type filters? Would one of those be light enough? ok, i WAS gonna say that you were two weeks behind the curve. OP shoulda been made on 4-1. 45 or 50 miles? on foot? that's two marathons, typical walking speed is 4 MPH. Marathoners have support, even the ultrarunning stuff like the Western States 100 has support. there's a 30 hour time cutoff for that race. without support and in street clothes, it'll be a big challenge. sooo, if you're a world class endurance runner, you could get home in 15 hrs... with support. it's technically possible, it just ain't likely. get a nice mountain bike (not crap from WalMart). i've done centuries (100 mile supported rides... they have food stops... about 3 or 4 rest stops with snacks, water and lunch) on a MTB, and 75 mile rides for fun with no support, but you've gotta be in shape. if you were, you could do 50 miles in as little as 4 hours or so. fat, knobby tires will add time, elevation gains will add time, downhills will cut time. you could even carry some gear in a small pack on the bike, and a Camelbak for extra water. the problem with tablets or other treatments is that it takes time to treat before you can drink. the time will vary with the temp of the water. straw filters will work if you have water sources, but they have a limited service life. not a huge problem for the scenario you describe. you can also get filtering bottles. fill it with raw water and it filters as you drink. and you can get inline filters for Camelbaks. I could be home in less than two hours if I had my triathlon/duathlon bike. I'm actually less than 45 miles away. I average 21 miles per hour on that bike. But I don't take that to work. I always have a gym bag/running clothes/shoes with me, and I do run in every season. My cruising speed used to be a six minute mile. Since I spent so much time lately building my house/farm I haven't trained as much as I should, I'm doing 7.5 minute miles now. Who makes a good filtering straw? That sounds like it'd be light, and I wouldn't have to wait for a tablet to make the water potable. |
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This what I carry when I run/cycle/hike.
Professional Operators Kit (POK) 
Pic is not my rig. Mine's green. It's about as stable as you're going to get a handgun when you're moving at a good clip. My personal load-out in the POK: G17 + 2 spare mags Cell phone + solar charger 3 protein bars IFAK + TQ GPS In addition to the POK, I wear a 3L bladder in a civvie North Face carrier where I stow some extra bars and some additional survival equipment. By the end of a run, I have usually only gone through 1L of fluid, so that leaves 2L for E&E back to the house. |