Posted: 11/12/2011 1:32:52 PM EDT
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Discovery Channel show.
Why do they pussy foot around with dogs and trapping? IN Hawaii the land and native species are getting devastated, why do they BS around with bows and traps? This is not a sport, it should be eradication like rats. Why dont these ass hats go out with firearms and shoot these land wreckers? Is this an attempt to keep PETA and humanitarians at bay(no pun intended). Chain guns and aircraft seem appropriate for this problem. Maybe I am naive not being a hunter, but I understand this problem pretty well. Educate me. Is it not easy to hunt these critters? |
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Discovery Channel show. Why do they pussy foot around with dogs and trapping? IN Hawaii the land and native species are getting devastated, why do they BS around with bows and traps? This is not a sport, it should be eradication like rats. Why dont these ass hats go out with firearms and shoot these land wreckers? Is this an attempt to keep PETA and humanitarians at bay(no pun intended). Chain guns and aircraft seem appropriate for this problem. Maybe I am naive not being a hunter, but I understand this problem pretty well. Educate me. Is it not easy to hunt these critters? THIS is the Foshizznit! 
ETA: FUCK PETA! |
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Discovery Channel show. Why do they pussy foot around with dogs and trapping? IN Hawaii the land and native species are getting devastated, why do they BS around with bows and traps? This is not a sport, it should be eradication like rats. Why dont these ass hats go out with firearms and shoot these land wreckers? Is this an attempt to keep PETA and humanitarians at bay(no pun intended). Chain guns and aircraft seem appropriate for this problem. Maybe I am naive not being a hunter, but I understand this problem pretty well. Educate me. Is it not easy to hunt these critters? Shooting hogs is one of the least effective methods of getting rid of them unless you're in a helicopter and even that is only a viable option if the terrain is right. Trapping is one of the most effective. Hunting them with dogs is probably the most effective method of running them off a property. Also, the vast majority of people are out there hunting hogs for fun, not to eradicate them. That's why. |
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Thanks for the insight. Its does seem like a losing battle tho, 30-40 hogs invade your property and you spend all day and night for one pig? I just watched an episode where the woman used a bowie to slit the hog, after a 3 hour chase with 3 dogs. Doesn't seem to be very efficient. But what do I know, I attempt to catch fish with feathers and plastic.
This intrigues me. The methods and methodology of hunting/ eradicating pigs. IN Hawaii its severe habitat destruction, but they have a weapons ban, how will they ever get the population under control? Ive seen video of massive amounts of top soil washing over the cliffs in to the Pacific from hog wallows in the jungles, it's maddening. Obviously top soil destruction plays havoc with crops and native plants, some of which are only found on the islands. A sow can birth 2x a year( gestation is about 115 days), starting in year one( 8-24 months in age), up to what 10 pigs per litter(4-6 seems typical) That's a lot of catching up to do. I'm trying to do my research so I can understand this better. Thanks again for the education from first hand. |
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Thanks for the insight. Its does seem like a losing battle tho, 30-40 hogs invade your property and you spend all day and night for one pig? I just watched an episode where the woman used a bowie to slit the hog, after a 3 hour chase with 3 dogs. Doesn't seem to be very efficient. But what do I know, I attempt to catch fish with feathers and plastic. We can catch several hogs in a morning or afternoon hunt with dogs and even more at night, though night hunting with dogs isn't exactly my favorite. This intrigues me. The methods and methodology of hunting/ eradicating pigs. IN Hawaii its severe habitat destruction, but they have a weapons ban, how will they ever get the population under control? Ive seen video of massive amounts of top soil washing over the cliffs in to the Pacific from hog wallows in the jungles, it's maddening. Obviously top soil destruction plays havoc with crops and native plants, some of which are only found on the islands.
I don't think they're losing that much topsoil because of hogs. Sure they dig up crops and stuff like that but they aren't doing more damage to the topsoil than a plow and plows don't cause topsoil loss. A sow can birth 2x a year( gestation is about 115 days), starting in year one( 8-24 months in age), up to what 10 pigs per litter(4-6 seems typical) That's a lot of catching up to do. I'm trying to do my research so I can understand this better.
Thanks again for the education from first hand. The key word there is can. That doesn't mean that they will. Just like any other wild animal, their reproduction rates will increase or decrease to match the carrying capacity of the land. If food is scarce then there's less offspring. They've had hogs in Hawaii for a long time and it's not that big of an area, now I'm not an expert on hogs in Hawaii, but I would assume that the hog population there is pretty stable. This isn't true in the southern continental US where a lot of places are just now seeing hogs for the first time. They still have A LOT of expansion left here and they're only going to get worse. |
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Intelligent and insightful reply than you very much, sir.
Its not that farm land is losing the soil, its the remote tropical forests. The erosion has been pretty bad. A quick search got me this set of pics.pig damage |
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I just watched Pig Bomb on Discovery.
Abbeville, Georgia. Like rats. Its worse than I thought. I imagine that hog hunting/ eradication could be big business. But certainly not enough to offset the loss in crops and other resources from these things. They were talking to corn farmers who said they would have to stop growing because they cant afford the crops losses. It would take 7 out of 10 pigs dead to keep the population stable as it is now, and that's still a lot of pig damage. They showed some interesting trapping methods too, catching 10-15 hogs at a time. But that's just 3 sows litters I guess. Can you easily tell sows from boars? Like deer population control its necessary to take does. I'd imagine that would be part of the formula, targeting sows. I have no idea why I found this so interesting. Outside of the conservationist in me. I'm not a hunter at all, If I shot one I wouldn't have the stomach to process it myself, I stop at cleaning fish. |
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Discovery Channel show. Why do they pussy foot around with dogs and trapping? IN Hawaii the land and native species are getting devastated, why do they BS around with bows and traps? This is not a sport, it should be eradication like rats. Why dont these ass hats go out with firearms and shoot these land wreckers? Is this an attempt to keep PETA and humanitarians at bay(no pun intended). Chain guns and aircraft seem appropriate for this problem. Maybe I am naive not being a hunter, but I understand this problem pretty well. Educate me. Is it not easy to hunt these critters? THIS is the Foshizznit!
ETA: FUCK PETA! 
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PonyBoy is the expert here, he offers good insight as to piggies methods, means, extermination and examination as evidenced by one of his posings!
To me, the only way to truely make a dent in the population is to get some claymores and other explosive devices, that will do the trick. |
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Its worse than I thought. I imagine that hog hunting/ eradication could be big business. But certainly not enough to offset the loss in crops and other resources from these things. The people out there killing the hogs aren't usually the same people that are out there farming the land. Farmers already have their hands full and don't have time to run around trapping and killing hogs other than the occasional target of opportunity. They showed some interesting trapping methods too, catching 10-15 hogs at a time. But that's just 3 sows litters I guess.
Here's the most we've ever caught in a single night - 22 hogs. This same trap had got 7 a few days earlier and then we trapped 17 more a few days after this. So within a week we'd trapped 46 hogs in this one trap. Can you easily tell sows from boars? Like deer population control its necessary to take does. I'd imagine that would be part of the formula, targeting sows.
Yes you can tell the difference on the hoof but it's not always easy especially with the smaller ones. Mostly hogs are just kill on sight and you take out as many as you can and the bigger ones do more damage than the smaller ones so people normally start with the biggest one in the group. |
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Its worse than I thought. I imagine that hog hunting/ eradication could be big business. But certainly not enough to offset the loss in crops and other resources from these things. The people out there killing the hogs aren't usually the same people that are out there farming the land. Farmers already have their hands full and don't have time to run around trapping and killing hogs other than the occasional target of opportunity. They showed some interesting trapping methods too, catching 10-15 hogs at a time. But that's just 3 sows litters I guess.
Here's the most we've ever caught in a single night - 22 hogs. This same trap had got 7 a few days earlier and then we trapped 17 more a few days after this. So within a week we'd trapped 46 hogs in this one trap. http://www.wildhoghunters.com/content/attachments/98d1284559154-hogsinperm-jpg.html Can you easily tell sows from boars? Like deer population control its necessary to take does. I'd imagine that would be part of the formula, targeting sows.
Yes you can tell the difference on the hoof but it's not always easy especially with the smaller ones. Mostly hogs are just kill on sight and you take out as many as you can and the bigger ones do more damage than the smaller ones so people normally start with the biggest one in the group. You have a huge ol' BBQ with all them hogs or send them to butcher shops all over the word? What you do with all them dang hogs?
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Are you an Irish transplant, you type like my great grandpapy talks...? I must say hunting them seems to be a hell of challenge, almost combat like. And I do like my open pit pig roasts... http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp69/spkap/DSCN1215.jpg  Chillen & Grillen...
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Are you an Irish transplant, you type like my great grandpapy talks...? I must say hunting them seems to be a hell of challenge, almost combat like. And I do like my open pit pig roasts... http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp69/spkap/DSCN1215.jpg Chillen & Grillen...Excellent info! biology lesson ftmfw. They are fast buggers too. What you dont see stage right of the grill is 5 knuckleheads waiting there shift to turn the spit. 11 hours over the fire hand turned. Many beers my friend, many beers... |
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thedehoganator wrote:
We average 1 sow to 7 to 10 boars. Sows are just more leary.
Oddly its almost the opposite for me and others where I hunt. Might be a regional thing...but we see many more sows than boars. I agree however...that sows (a LEAD sow anyway) is usually more cautious, since they are the matriarch of the group. But a mature boar is no push-over either unless he is "In Tow" behind an estrous sow. Sows tend to stay in bottoms taken care of the young.
Again, regional...I suppose. Here, they simply inhabit the best piece of real estate available in terms of food and safety, that might be low land or not. The boars like higher ground so they have better chances of finding the sows to make more youngsters.
You lost me here?? If the Sows are staying in the bottom and Boars are using the higher ground...how are they getting together? The boars must be using binoculars, just kidding! 
We have a lot of timbered draws and ridges around here and I agree that the boars use the highland more, but I believe it is for a specific reason. In fact, I would submit it is the same reason that Bucks do it. The hogs (and deer) travel up and down the length of the draws in search of food (especially acorns this time of year) and also use them for shelter. Boars and Bucks will not waste their time traveling the length of such draws in search of females to breed. They don't have to. Instead they cut across the tops of the draws (head) and intercept any scent left behind, then follow it to its source. They can cover a lot of ground that way....and still find the females. Anyway, that has been my observation over the years. One thing is certain though, once hogs KNOW you are hunting them, they can ALL be tough to find. |
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Shooting hogs is one of the least effective methods of getting rid of them unless you're in a helicopter and even that is only a viable option if the terrain is right.
Yup! I shoot as many as I can and let circumstance dictate whether or not I use that method as a tool, but without doubt...the return on your time invested will be minimal. Trapping is one of the most effective.
Agreed. Though I employ all reasonable methods (Shooting, Trapping, Snaring, Dogs), trapping them gets more hogs off of our property than anything else, hands down! 
I think there are 17 in the pic above (missed two out of that group) and I don't always get that many...simply because a group might be smaller, but I actually catch a large PERCENTAGE of any particular group. Definitely the best "pay off" for the time and bait invested. Hunting them with dogs is probably the most effective method of running them off a property.
No doubt. Hogs HATE dogs and will vacate the area (for awhile) BUT...usually all you succeed in doing...is catching one two, educating ALL the others and spreading them out. Swapping hogs with my neighbor(s) doesn't do any of us any good. The object is to KILL them, not move them around. So we use dogs sparingly, usually only when everything else has failed, which is rare. Dogs have their place...but the use of them is mostly "sport", sorry. Also, the vast majority of people are out there hunting hogs for fun, not to eradicate them.
True, and as a result....hogs are adapting. Those of us truly dedicated to reducing their numbers (they will NEVER be eradicated) realize one thing: Each time you have an encounter with a hog...and fail to KILL IT, that hog learns something...and becomes more difficult later, with few exceptions. That's why.
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS. Flint. |
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thedehoganator wrote: We average 1 sow to 7 to 10 boars. Sows are just more leary.
Oddly its almost the opposite for me and others where I hunt. Might be a regional thing...but we see many more sows than boars. I agree however...that sows (a LEAD sow anyway) is usually more cautious, since they are the matriarch of the group. But a mature boar is no push-over either unless he is "In Tow" behind an estrous sow. If I had to put a number on it, and I've honestly never really kept count or been too worried about it, I'd say that we get pretty close to 50/50 sows to boars. We get a few more sows than boars but it's pretty close. I have noticed that some spots are a lot more conducive to only having boars though. I've never found a place where we only see sows, but I have found some spots where we only see boars. |
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thedehoganator wrote: We average 1 sow to 7 to 10 boars. Sows are just more leary.
Oddly its almost the opposite for me and others where I hunt. Might be a regional thing...but we see many more sows than boars. I agree however...that sows (a LEAD sow anyway) is usually more cautious, since they are the matriarch of the group. But a mature boar is no push-over either unless he is "In Tow" behind an estrous sow. If I had to put a number on it, and I've honestly never really kept count or been too worried about it, I'd say that we get pretty close to 50/50 sows to boars. We get a few more sows than boars but it's pretty close. I have noticed that some spots are a lot more conducive to only having boars though. I've never found a place where we only see sows, but I have found some spots where we only see boars. When I get to set traps I think the ratio is close also..The above ratio is spot and stalk, being that the bastards figured out when they can and can't go to the feeder at 3 outlet. I've created TOP HOG there and the people that come out and hunt with me have trouble believing what they see. Its time to set up on the box blind again , gotta love it what other animal stalks you. |
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The most production I've seen hunting has been on a erratication hunt we do every year. Mostly retired LE guys. 2 years ago there were 5 of us total mostly day hunting. We pushed woods with AR's, orange vests, radios, and plenty of ammo. I literally had mag dumps running threw the woods dropping a magazine to throw another one in. It was honestly the most fun I've ever had hunting pigs, and I hunt a shit load with NV and thermal. Our total head count with hogs we found was 98 in 5 hunts. This place is probably the most hog infested place I've ever seen.
I just love to hunt them period. I love to elk hunt and deer hunt, but hog hunting is the most addictive of them all. Plus it lets me justify all kinds of cool toys for it!
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Damn, that does sound like fun. And like platoon drills in my army days.
Its definitely a different kind of hunting huh? I'm wondering to myself if this wouldn't be a cool way to get into hunting when I get to Fla. OT maybe, but I wasn't raised in a hunting family, so the cleaning and butchering part would be a big hurdle for me. That seems to be ingrained in hunters from young age. My big thing is, if you kill it you should be balls enough to respect the animal and clean,dress your own kills. If I cant do that I dont deserve the honor of taking an animals life, one that a true hunter would take and do justice too. If I dont want to eat my fish I put it back, a luxury you dont have as a hunter. But if I do, I kill it quickly, and clean it, and prep it in tasty fashion. Kind of a sappy Uncle Ted angle but I've felt that way for many years. I know and hang out with many hunters, regularly go to game dinners. Its a different kind of thing. I have respect for the sport and lifestyle. I watch hunting shows more than fishing shows! |
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Damn, that does sound like fun. And like platoon drills in my army days.
Its definitely a different kind of hunting huh? I'm wondering to myself if this wouldn't be a cool way to get into hunting when I get to Fla. OT maybe, but I wasn't raised in a hunting family, so the cleaning and butchering part would be a big hurdle for me. That seems to be ingrained in hunters from young age. My big thing is, if you kill it you should be balls enough to respect the animal and clean,dress your own kills. If I cant do that I dont deserve the honor of taking an animals life, one that a true hunter would take and do justice too. If I dont want to eat my fish I put it back, a luxury you dont have as a hunter. But if I do, I kill it quickly, and clean it, and prep it in tasty fashion. Kind of a sappy Uncle Ted angle but I've felt that way for many years. I know and hang out with many hunters, regularly go to game dinners. Its a different kind of thing. I have respect for the sport and lifestyle. I watch hunting shows more than fishing shows! On that hunt we picked several sows out to clean for local folks. All the rest were buzzard bait. This was a eradication hunt. The land owner wanted them off the property. I've seen some property torn up, but this place was something to see. In the middle of the afternoon pigs were out in the middle of pastures. There's no hunting allowed on the ranch. |
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Oh I know its not about the sport all the tine with hogs. I'm perfectly hip with you guys dropping 'em and leavin 'em. Its not a resource that needs to be conserved.
The larger ones must be tough, and lean. Even 23 hours in a smoker might not tender those guys up. |
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Ponyboy wrote: Shooting hogs is one of the least effective methods of getting rid of them unless you're in a helicopter and even that is only a viable option if the terrain is right.
Yup! I shoot as many as I can and let circumstance dictate whether or not I use that method as a tool, but without doubt...the return on your time invested will be minimal. Trapping is one of the most effective.
Agreed. Though I employ all reasonable methods (Shooting, Trapping, Snaring, Dogs), trapping them gets more hogs off of our property than anything else, hands down! http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/flintknapper/Catch_5_18_09b-1.jpg I think there are 17 in the pic above (missed two out of that group) and I don't always get that many...simply because a group might be smaller, but I actually catch a large PERCENTAGE of any particular group. Definitely the best "pay off" for the time and bait invested. Hunting them with dogs is probably the most effective method of running them off a property.
No doubt. Hogs HATE dogs and will vacate the area (for awhile) BUT...usually all you succeed in doing...is catching one two, educating ALL the others and spreading them out. Swapping hogs with my neighbor(s) doesn't do any of us any good. The object is to KILL them, not move them around. So we use dogs sparingly, usually only when everything else has failed, which is rare. Dogs have their place...but the use of them is mostly "sport", sorry. Also, the vast majority of people are out there hunting hogs for fun, not to eradicate them.
True, and as a result....hogs are adapting. Those of us truly dedicated to reducing their numbers (they will NEVER be eradicated) realize one thing: Each time you have an encounter with a hog...and fail to KILL IT, that hog learns something...and becomes more difficult later, with few exceptions. That's why.
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS. Flint. Sounds like the "Borg" to me! 
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Intelligent and insightful reply than you very much, sir. Its not that farm land is losing the soil, its the remote tropical forests. The erosion has been pretty bad. A quick search got me this set of pics.pig damage I too have wondered why they don't just shoot them on these shows. I'm guessing it's becuse it would be a hunting show if they did. Less drama = less ratings. I still don't understand hunting with dogs if the goal is eradication. Seems like trapping would be the most effective way, but what do I know. |
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Intelligent and insightful reply than you very much, sir. Its not that farm land is losing the soil, its the remote tropical forests. The erosion has been pretty bad. A quick search got me this set of pics.pig damage I too have wondered why they don't just shoot them on these shows. I'm guessing it's becuse it would be a hunting show if they did. Less drama = less ratings. I still don't understand hunting with dogs if the goal is eradication. Seems like trapping would be the most effective way, but what do I know. You can sell the hogs if they are alive. |
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