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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2024 8:02:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: optoisolator]
https://x.com/s2_underground/status/1851599297105523074
The PDF that he links to has all of the details. Printing and laminating as we speak! |
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Posted: 10/30/2024 8:16:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
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Larping lunacy.
May be a little harsh, but that's what it strikes me as. Complete with MOPP defcon levels and all sorts of nonsense. |
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Posted: 10/30/2024 8:29:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By optoisolator: — S2 Underground (@s2_underground) October 30, 2024 The PDF that he links to has all of the details. Printing and laminating as we speak! this is what I get: "This page is not supported. Please visit the author’s profile on the latest version of X to view this content." |
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USA
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Posted: 10/30/2024 8:55:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: barrysuperhawk]
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2024 9:22:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Larping lunacy. May be a little harsh, but that's what it strikes me as. Complete with MOPP defcon levels and all sorts of nonsense. Harsh away, I think it's useful, which is why I shared. Although I am admittedly not one of the cool kids here on the forum. |
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Posted: 10/31/2024 12:38:02 AM EST
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I think it's a pretty good idea and have participated. The problem is the 40m freq is right next to a Winlink freq and most of the transmissions are missing when Winlink is active.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2024 6:56:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: optoisolator]
[#6]
AMRRON also does stuff like this and also have their own "manual" to 'larp" as Gamma would say. I like S2's version better as AMRRON charges to be a member, to get the manual. You don't necessarily need to be a member to participate on their nets, which occur on 80m 3.595 I think, using MFSK-32. It's similar in a sense that you are sharing information, but it's very slow and complex compared to just using JS8Call.
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Posted: 10/31/2024 10:42:57 PM EST
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As always, take what is useful to you. There is some useful info and organization here. apply that to your situation and discard the rest.
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USA
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Posted: 10/31/2024 10:56:25 PM EST
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I think it’s a great thing especially like his listen only video this is how you get people hooked on HF & make it more impactful than just general class or above people
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Posted: 11/1/2024 12:42:36 AM EST
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Ost
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Posted: 11/1/2024 8:45:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Larping lunacy. Old school +1. It's more of a manifesto. IMHO this sort of thing makes it less likely that anyone other than dedicated larper-preppers will participate in any sort of communications. It complicates instead of simplifies. There are many instances of poor/wrong advice in the document as well. Those of you who paid attention to and/or participated in the recent hurricane Helene SHTF communications activities, how much of the "Ghostnet" manifesto would have been useful? I only know about that event what I read in this forum, and it seemed that VHF ruled the day, scanners were hugely important, and most people did very well by simply picking up a microphone and talking without reference to any elaborate guidelines or plans. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2024 10:13:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: optoisolator]
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I would argue it's for a different use case than what happened post Helene. This is more if widespread infrastructure failure were to occur. One man's larping, is another man's practice drills.
Same can be said about going to the range and doing run and gun drills, that's larping too. 
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Posted: 11/1/2024 10:35:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By optoisolator: I would argue it's for a different use case than what happened post Helene. This is more if widespread infrastructure failure were to occur. One man's larping, is another man's practice drills. I keep a preprogrammed box of radios around to hand out to folks in the neighborhood who can't be bothered to learn about radios, which is everyone, if that day ever comes. In this neck of the woods the closest anyone comes to talking on radios is to use a couple of bubble pack FRS toys when hunting during deer season (which starts tomorrow). There's no way in hell any of them would even begin to understand "Ghostnet", much less read the thing, much, much less act on it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2024 10:51:04 AM EST
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"Bubble Pack" or Baofeng HT's seems to be the typical choice when TEOWAKI radios are discussed on AFCOM.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2024 1:37:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: optoisolator]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aa777888-2: So you are saying this is more for TEOTWAWKI rather than SHTF? If so, it needs to be even far more simplified than I previously suggested. If it's TEOTWAWKI, talking on radios outside of local security and assistance needs is going to be way, way down the list of things to do, at least for me it is. I keep a preprogrammed box of radios around to hand out to folks in the neighborhood who can't be bothered to learn about radios, which is everyone, if that day ever comes. In this neck of the woods the closest anyone comes to talking on radios is to use a couple of bubble pack FRS toys when hunting during deer season (which starts tomorrow). There's no way in hell any of them would even begin to understand "Ghostnet", much less read the thing, much, much less act on it. Yes - the whole premise surrounding ghostnet is JS8Call. Can you use it on 2m and 70cm? Yes. Does the equipment to transmit on SSB exist and is as common as HF SSB? No. There are a only a few radios available today that do SSB on those frequencies compared to HF. The background of this is information sharing when shit goes bad on a wide scale. The internet goes down, cell phones done work, there is no starlink. PACE - this is the E of pace. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2024 2:10:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9-Bob: "Bubble Pack" or Baofeng HT's seems to be the typical choice when TEOWAKI radios are discussed on AFCOM. There are few things sadder than a $25 radio plugged into a $1300 headset. |
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Posted: 11/1/2024 4:04:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: TimeIsMoney]
[#16]
I would like to see a JS8 android app like the FT8CN app. Disco32 makes some great amplified and non-amplified PTT that work with Peltors and your favorite HT.
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USA
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Posted: 11/1/2024 10:11:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: smeeg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TimeIsMoney: I would like to see a JS8 android app like the FT8CN app Agreed! I know the developer of js8call is rewriting the code to make it easier for someone to port to android. & I believe thetechprepper said he might do it in 2025 But he also hasn’t released any of his applications yet |
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USA
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Posted: 11/1/2024 10:14:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By optoisolator: Yes - the whole premise surrounding ghostnet is JS8Call. Can you use it on 2m and 70cm? Yes. Does the equipment to transmit on SSB exist and is as common as HF SSB? No. There are a only a few radios available today that do SSB on those frequencies compared to HF. I’ve heard that 2meter SSB + js8call + yagi is extremely effective |
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Posted: 11/2/2024 12:32:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: TimeIsMoney]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: Agreed! I know the developer of js8call is rewriting the code to make it easier for someone to port to android. & I believe thetechprepper said he might do it in 2025 But he also hasn't released any of his applications yet Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: Originally Posted By TimeIsMoney: I would like to see a JS8 android app like the FT8CN app Agreed! I know the developer of js8call is rewriting the code to make it easier for someone to port to android. & I believe thetechprepper said he might do it in 2025 But he also hasn't released any of his applications yet |
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USA
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Posted: 11/2/2024 4:32:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TimeIsMoney: I remember Gaston illuding to that in a video or comment. Not sure if that is entirely in his wheelhouse. But, since he does use JS8 and is finally using the 705 a bit, maybe he will find more value in the 705. Using FT8CN you can use it wirelessly with your 705 by creating a network. It's brilliant. I really wish that would be possible soon. I think we need to crowd fund a JS8call app |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2024 6:12:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: optoisolator]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: I’ve heard that 2meter SSB + js8call + yagi is extremely effective Funny enough, it works well on FM as well, just not as effective as SSB . I've used WSJTX on my diamond X50 and have been able to make contacts throughout the state of FL. It's of course not as efficient as SSB, especially at a different polarity, but still works! |
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Posted: 11/3/2024 11:44:50 AM EST
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Thanks
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Posted: 11/4/2024 12:04:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Larping lunacy. May be a little harsh, but that's what it strikes me as. Complete with MOPP defcon levels and all sorts of nonsense. I've played on JS8, actually learned about it thru S2. Granted it has limited usefulness on a local level (unless you have enough people to make it useful). On a regional/state or national level, I strongly disagree. If an event happens that disables information on a regional or larger area, why do you think it's "larping" or just not useful. If we ever need to pass information (in the event something occurs to traditional information sharing) what's your suggestion that works better than this? Addionally, instead of shitting on a thread, offer some guidance that adds value. You seem very knowledgeable on HAM type stuff. In all your wisdom what's a better solution here? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 3:31:00 PM EST
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IMO VarAC is much better at passing info in case of disaster.
Everyone could use the "Broadcast" mode and everyone on the Frequency Slot will see the messages. Then if needed, 2 stations can "connect" to each other on another slot, or a frequency of your choice, to send info, files, or email. Again, this is my opinion, but a large group of us here in Bay Area are starting an EMCOMM group to help in an emergency. We will be using voice, VarAC and Winlink for info passing. VarAC and Winlink works with both HF and VHF. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 5:14:26 PM EST
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Haven’t looked at the s2 stuff in detail but am familiar with Amrron.
Whether it’s larper fantasy or useful just depends on the event and anticipated need. Organizing a militia/underground resistance? Prob very limited utility. Regional and national wellness checks and message passing? Prob very useful. Things always take the path of least resistance/effort. So yes since there was still a 2m repeater up with wide coverage of NC, yeah almost all the traffic was VHF. Js8call is awesome and relatively easy. Hope it gets some needed enhancements and updates. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 6:55:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: optoisolator]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CowboyTom: IMO VarAC is much better at passing info in case of disaster. Everyone could use the "Broadcast" mode and everyone on the Frequency Slot will see the messages. Then if needed, 2 stations can "connect" to each other on another slot, or a frequency of your choice, to send info, files, or email. Again, this is my opinion, but a large group of us here in Bay Area are starting an EMCOMM group to help in an emergency. We will be using voice, VarAC and Winlink for info passing. VarAC and Winlink works with both HF and VHF. The reason why they are using JS8 is that it's based off of FT8. FT8 is optimized for weak signal propagation, meaning you have a greater chance of being heard and hearing others, than other modes. Often this works very well at low power. VARA is not a weak signal mode. VarAC is a good program and has a place, but JS8Call has a greater chance to work when VARA won't. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 7:33:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: Fuchi]
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IMO, having a way to pass info on a state/regional basis in the event traditional means fail, would be invaluable.
Trying to do this after the fact might be tough, especially if you haven't downloaded the programs and havent had a rough familiarization. This is where the argument of having a ham license and solid radio theory comes in handy. Of course you could wing it but playing with it and having a call gives you real world experience. In reality, will we need our larping NVG, rifle plates, food storage, back up rifle parts and generators? Maybe not, or we could think of them as tools you don't use often but nice to have. |
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Posted: Today 1:17:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By optoisolator: The reason why they are using JS8 is that it's based off of FT8. FT8 is optimized for weak signal propagation, meaning you have a greater chance of being heard and hearing others, than other modes. Often this works very well at low power. VARA is not a weak signal mode. VarAC is a good program and has a place, but JS8Call has a greater chance to work when VARA won't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By optoisolator: Originally Posted By CowboyTom: IMO VarAC is much better at passing info in case of disaster. Everyone could use the "Broadcast" mode and everyone on the Frequency Slot will see the messages. Then if needed, 2 stations can "connect" to each other on another slot, or a frequency of your choice, to send info, files, or email. Again, this is my opinion, but a large group of us here in Bay Area are starting an EMCOMM group to help in an emergency. We will be using voice, VarAC and Winlink for info passing. VarAC and Winlink works with both HF and VHF. The reason why they are using JS8 is that it's based off of FT8. FT8 is optimized for weak signal propagation, meaning you have a greater chance of being heard and hearing others, than other modes. Often this works very well at low power. VARA is not a weak signal mode. VarAC is a good program and has a place, but JS8Call has a greater chance to work when VARA won't. 
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