Posted: 3/30/2010 3:37:25 AM EDT
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My mom taught me how to douse with a willow branch when I was a young boy.
Didn't work well for me though, even when passing over areas of known water. What worked better was making a basic map of the area, tacking it to a wall, closing my eyes and throwing a dart at it. My brother showed me how to nearly stop my electrical meter by putting a bag of salt on it and turning on the oven. It worked but took a few minutes. |
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Please enlighten me on what the heck you guys are talking about. http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html Dowsing is the action of a person––called the dowser––using a rod, stick or other device––called a dowsing rod, dowsing stick, doodlebug (when used to locate oil), or divining rod––to locate such things as underground water, hidden metal, buried treasure, oil, lost persons or golf balls, etc. Since dowsing is not based upon any known scientific or empirical laws or forces of nature, it should be considered a type of divination and an example of magical thinking. The dowser tries to locate objects by occult means. |
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Quoted: This needs to be moved to GD so we can talk about dowsing and Bigfoot at the same time. these thread are part of what I love about GD. Here, I doubt it would be as entertaining. OP: There are two schools of thought of water witching. Both are convinced they are right. |
| I remember back in the 70s when I was a kid going to a local State park, and there was a guy demonstrating dowsing. He placed the stick in my hand and I distinctly remember it being pulled downward as we walked over an area. So you could put me in the believer camp, but I haven't tried it since. |
| Back in the 90's when I was doing utility work we would call for our mark outs prior to digging. In NJ PSE&G (Public Service elec & Gas) would come out and mark the elec or gas lines, on more than one occasion I watched as a workman from PSE&G pulled out a bicycle gripped extendable rod on a swivwel and proceeded to mark out the buried utilites. It was amazing, and they were dead on every time. |
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I'm the biggest skeptic there is about anything but one day I was made a believer about dousing . Me and a crew with a backhoe went to this house to dig a swimming pool . We couldn't start till we located a water line that we knew was there somewhere in that big back yard . So this old Florida Cracker comes out with 2 bent metal rods in his hands and starts walking slowly around the property . Me, I'm like WTF is next, a Skunk Ape sighting ? Sure enough this old dude found that pipe that we were looking for on the first try .
Does it work every time ? Heck if I know .All I know is that it worked this time . |
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Complete and utter bullshit.
If you can do it, you're a millionaire. The James Randi $1,000,000 Challenge The fact that anyone still believes in this stuff leaves me shaking my head. Like every other supernatural claim, they utterly fail 100% of the time when put under scientific scrutiny. |
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Quoted: Complete and utter bullshit. If you can do it, you're a millionaire. The James Randi $1,000,000 Challenge The fact that anyone still believes in this stuff leaves me shaking my head. Like every other supernatural claim, they utterly fail 100% of the time when put under scientific scrutiny. Dowsing paranormal? Could be...  |
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Quoted: Complete and utter bullshit. If you can do it, you're a millionaire. The James Randi $1,000,000 Challenge The fact that anyone still believes in this stuff leaves me shaking my head. Like every other supernatural claim, they utterly fail 100% of the time when put under scientific scrutiny. |
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For those who feel that dowsing may be effective at locating water (or any other substance), I'd recommend trying a simple experiment:
1. Use your dowsing rod to scan a particular area to ensure there's no water nearby that might give a false reading. 2. Temporarily leave this area so you can't observe the next step. 3. Ask a friend or spouse to place 5 cups (one filled with water, the rest empty) on the ground and completely cover them with dish towels. 4. Return to the area and use your dowsing rod to locate the cup containing the water. 5. Repeat this process 10 times. The laws of probability dictate that you'll find the water by pure chance on 2 of the 10 trials. If you find it, say, 7 out of 10 trials (and you haven't cheated), it might be reasonable to conclude that your dowsing rod works. Before you get your hopes up, though, you may want to read about the ideomotor effect. |
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I've done it myself...
Complete and utter bullshit. The ideomotor effect is based upon 'perceiving' the location of something, and your subconscious mind therefore making your body manipulate the movement of the rod/stick/penis/whatever. The Skeptics claim that no known "Science" has yet been able to prove this exists... Therefore it must be absolute bullshit. However, we have a large particle collider buried under Europe that is trying very hard to experimentally determine subatomic particle physics which we do not yet understand. Contrary to the skeptics' position on the matter, they quite ignorantly believe that HUMANS have experimented, and learned 100% of all science & physics that exist in this world. There's nothing new to discover, or nothing unknown in this world (in their minds). 
Therefore it MUST be "WITCHCRAFT" or the "OCCULT" or DEVIL WORSHIP, or MAGIC, or it must be absolute B(_)LLSH!T in their eyes... It's all in your HEAD! It MUST be your subconscious MIND that's making your hands MANIPULATE the results!
The truth of the matter is this: There are still plenty of undiscovered, more subtle forces and interactions within Physics and Science. Man DOES NOT know everything there is to know about science & the physical world! To claim that science hasn't proven it - therefore it doesn't exist is to claim that prior to Einstein, nuclear particle physics wasn't possible, it didn't exist, and fusion reactions couldn't possible exist! Nobody on EARTH has ever seen such a thing, and therefore it cannot exist! Even though it happens to turn out that's exactly how the SUN works...  And therefore just about EVERYBODY has seen an example of nuclear fusion! But prior to Einstein's discoveries & calculations - it didn't exist, and was impossible. Any person claiming otherwise would be considered a NUTCASE, and just spouting bullsh!t.
Complete & Utter Bullshit, right, Duggan? If the physics and interactions which are behind this phenomena are not yet understood, then how can the 'MILLION DOLLAR TEST' even be a test at all? The test is flawed, as is your understanding of the phenomena. James Randi is a F(_)cking nutjob, and a fraud - he will openly tell anybody who asks him precisely that. He has no qualms about being a fraud and extortionist. The world is flat, right? The sun revolves around the earth, right? Rainfall comes from the Gods, right?
Small minds with limited intellect are prone to limited thoughts in their narrow minds. Man has not yet learned 100% of all the physical forces & properties of this planet. Therefore how can 'Scientific Scrutiny' determine if it does or does not exist when even the best scientists have not yet even begun to understand the nature of the forces involved? If there's a MINNESOTA skeptic of this phenomena, and they live in the Twin Cities Area, I'd like to get a video proving you wrong by taking you out some place, and proving to a known arfcom skeptic that this does, indeed, work. By having THE SKEPTIC do it themselves. I'll post this question in the MN Hometown Forum... Update - posted the skeptic's challenge in a MN Hometown Forum Thread. |
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I'm the biggest skeptic there is about anything but one day I was made a believer about dousing . Me and a crew with a backhoe went to this house to dig a swimming pool . We couldn't start till we located a water line that we knew was there somewhere in that big back yard . So this old Florida Cracker comes out with 2 bent metal rods in his hands and starts walking slowly around the property . Me, I'm like WTF is next, a Skunk Ape sighting ? Sure enough this old dude found that pipe that we were looking for on the first try . Does it work every time ? Heck if I know .All I know is that it worked this time . Water in a metal pipe is a bit different. |
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Complete and utter bullshit. If you can do it, you're a millionaire. The James Randi $1,000,000 Challenge The fact that anyone still believes in this stuff leaves me shaking my head. Like every other supernatural claim, they utterly fail 100% of the time when put under scientific scrutiny. I wanted to say that but since I am not in these forums much, a troll I may be considered. Thanks And I really used to believe 
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Complete and utter bullshit. If you can do it, you're a millionaire. The James Randi $1,000,000 Challenge The fact that anyone still believes in this stuff leaves me shaking my head. Like every other supernatural claim, they utterly fail 100% of the time when put under scientific scrutiny. I would have said the same thing but... 10 years ago, my brother in law gave me bent coat hangers and gave me some instructions. Made me walk around. The rod will turn towards each other at certain spot. It would repeat as I passed the same spot again and again. Later I found out it was the septic line. I haven't done it since but it was pretty weird experience. |
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..Contrary to the skeptics' position on the matter, they quite ignorantly believe that HUMANS have experimented, and learned 100% of all science & physics that exist in this world. There's nothing new to discover, or nothing unknown in this world (in their minds).
... 0/10 for a rant. Especially because you setup a strawman. Science readily acknowledges it does not know everything and not all forces in the universe are known. However what Science provides is a methodology that allows us to prove ideas. The fact is no 'Dowser' has been able to show (in front of an impartial judge) an ability to find water with a greater chance than random luck. I don't need to know HOW dowsing works to show that it doesn't. Simple tests can be set up to prove if one has the ability. |
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It is nonsense.....pure utter nonsense.
That said I can witch buried stuff.......................
I know it is bullshit but I learned it as a kid and can witch buried objects. I don't know why a skeptic can do it but, even though I think it is laughable I have had some success at it. Perhaps science doesn't yet have a theory to explain it. |
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You see - you're still basing your skepticism upon the ignorant idea that the physics behind this SPECIFICALLY DETECTS WATER. We don't know that. We don't know WHAT this method is 'detecting'... Some claim it's WATER, some claim it's detecting only MOVING WATER, some claim it's detecting METAL, and some claim it merely detects differences or anomalies in the soil...
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..Contrary to the skeptics' position on the matter, they quite ignorantly believe that HUMANS have experimented, and learned 100% of all science & physics that exist in this world. There's nothing new to discover, or nothing unknown in this world (in their minds).
... 0/10 for a rant. Especially because you setup a strawman. Science readily acknowledges it does not know everything and not all forces in the universe are known. However what Science provides is a methodology that allows us to prove ideas. The fact is no 'Dowser' has been able to show (in front of an impartial judge) an ability to find water with a greater chance than random luck. I don't need to know HOW dowsing works to show that it doesn't. Simple tests can be set up to prove if one has the ability. NOBODY KNOWS. Therefore it's AT PRESENT VERY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE to determine what is the best METHODOLOGY to 'prove' the ideas one way or another... I have my own suspicions to a means to determine it, but that would require VERY EXPENSIVE equipment to detect subtle differences in the earth's magnetic field as it passes through certain points along the surface of the earth. It's not something that's really observable to the naked eye, and without expensive equipment that's capable of detecting such minuscule variations in the magnetic field at a given point, I don't know how "SCIENCE" can therefore prove my ideas one way or another. Contrary to your statement, "I don't need to know HOW dowsing works to show that it doesn't"... Of course you don't. If you don't know HOW it works and cannot do it, then it's quite easy to show that you don't know HOW to do it, and therefore can easily show it doesn't work (for you).
I don't need to know HOW to fix a car to show that I can't fix a car! (I do know, by the way, how to fix a car)
If you don't know HOW to fix a car, it's easy to show that you can't fix a car! Your logic is lacking.
If you have a GOOD theory as to HOW it works - you can more often than not show that it DOES work. 
I took over 1 year of AP physics in high school, and 3 MORE years of physics at the University of Minnesota. I know a fair bit about it quantified experimentation, and how science can prove things via methodology. You have a THEORY, and so you construct a hypothesis to test the theory. Then you determine a means of experimentation - experiment, and then begin analysis & forming conclusions. Based upon the conclusions, you should typically repeat the experiment to determine consistencies. Based upon your findings, create a new hypothesis, a new experiment, and repeat the process... What I'm saying is that you're claiming it's about "FINDING WATER"... Therefore I immediately think your hypothesis is wrong. This is one theory that has been proven wrong countless times. It doesn't detect water. It detects something else - not sure what, but it doesn't empirically detect WATER. Maybe it detects something regarding moving water, but I doubt it. I think it detects something else... Maybe I'll have more than one arfcom skeptic there, and one can act as an impartial judge. |
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That's a whole lot of typing for someone who apparently doesn't need an extra $1,000,000.
Science doesn't have to explain it, you just have to be able to demonstrate that it exists and happens reliably while others observe. Your whole "there are tons of things that can't be explained" theory is bullshit. Prove that you can demonstrate that it exists in front of a scientific panel, not just Jim Bob as an observer. Pretty much, put up or shut up.
If you think you can do it, call the Randi foundation, give them a simple demonstration and claim your $1,000,000. Anything other than that is a bunch of hot air from someone who honestly believes that he can walk around with random pipes and clink them together magically on top of something of value.
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You see - you're still basing your skepticism upon the ignorant idea that the physics behind this SPECIFICALLY DETECTS WATER. We don't know that. We don't know WHAT this method is 'detecting'... Some claim it's WATER, some claim it's detecting only MOVING WATER, some claim it's detecting METAL, and some claim it merely detects differences or anomalies in the soil...
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..Contrary to the skeptics' position on the matter, they quite ignorantly believe that HUMANS have experimented, and learned 100% of all science & physics that exist in this world. There's nothing new to discover, or nothing unknown in this world (in their minds).
... 0/10 for a rant. Especially because you setup a strawman. Science readily acknowledges it does not know everything and not all forces in the universe are known. However what Science provides is a methodology that allows us to prove ideas. The fact is no 'Dowser' has been able to show (in front of an impartial judge) an ability to find water with a greater chance than random luck. I don't need to know HOW dowsing works to show that it doesn't. Simple tests can be set up to prove if one has the ability. [...
You still don't understand the Scientific Methodology OR have a clue what I posted. It does not matter what is that they 'detect' they "claim to detect water" or some other underground object/structure. I CAN setup tests to verify or disprove their claims - that is the beauty of the scientific methodology - we can test specific claims. Now the fact that some people claim to detect water, others only 'moving water', we've got one who detects crap (sanitation line), and still others who claim to detect oil. Then come the tools - some claim ONLY metal rods will work, others it must be the wood of a specific tree'; and I'm sure somewhere in there they required a virgin to treat the sticks... The fact that people claim to dowse a variety of underground objects, using a variety of 'tools' should be a big warning sign that it's bunk. The fact that these people can't do it under observation by researches is all I need to know. If somebody could do it, the 1 MILLION dollar prize would be gone by now. |
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I've done it myself...
Complete and utter bullshit. The ideomotor effect is based upon 'perceiving' the location of something, and your subconscious mind therefore making your body manipulate the movement of the rod/stick/penis/whatever. The Skeptics claim that no known "Science" has yet been able to prove this exists... Therefore it must be absolute bullshit. However, we have a large particle collider buried under Europe that is trying very hard to experimentally determine subatomic particle physics which we do not yet understand. Contrary to the skeptics' position on the matter, they quite ignorantly believe that HUMANS have experimented, and learned 100% of all science & physics that exist in this world. There's nothing new to discover, or nothing unknown in this world (in their minds).
Therefore it MUST be "WITCHCRAFT" or the "OCCULT" or DEVIL WORSHIP, or MAGIC, or it must be absolute B(_)LLSH!T in their eyes... It's all in your HEAD! It MUST be your subconscious MIND that's making your hands MANIPULATE the results!
The truth of the matter is this: There are still plenty of undiscovered, more subtle forces and interactions within Physics and Science. Man DOES NOT know everything there is to know about science & the physical world! To claim that science hasn't proven it - therefore it doesn't exist is to claim that prior to Einstein, nuclear particle physics wasn't possible, it didn't exist, and fusion reactions couldn't possible exist! Nobody on EARTH has ever seen such a thing, and therefore it cannot exist! Even though it happens to turn out that's exactly how the SUN works... And therefore just about EVERYBODY has seen an example of nuclear fusion! But prior to Einstein's discoveries & calculations - it didn't exist, and was impossible. Any person claiming otherwise would be considered a NUTCASE, and just spouting bullsh!t.
Complete & Utter Bullshit, right, Duggan? If the physics and interactions which are behind this phenomena are not yet understood, then how can the 'MILLION DOLLAR TEST' even be a test at all? The test is flawed, as is your understanding of the phenomena. James Randi is a F(_)cking nutjob, and a fraud - he will openly tell anybody who asks him precisely that. He has no qualms about being a fraud and extortionist. The world is flat, right? The sun revolves around the earth, right? Rainfall comes from the Gods, right?
Small minds with limited intellect are prone to limited thoughts in their narrow minds. Man has not yet learned 100% of all the physical forces & properties of this planet. Therefore how can 'Scientific Scrutiny' determine if it does or does not exist when even the best scientists have not yet even begun to understand the nature of the forces involved? If there's a MINNESOTA skeptic of this phenomena, and they live in the Twin Cities Area, I'd like to get a video proving you wrong by taking you out some place, and proving to a known arfcom skeptic that this does, indeed, work. By having THE SKEPTIC do it themselves. I'll post this question in the MN Hometown Forum... Update - posted the skeptic's challenge in a MN Hometown Forum Thread. So, let me get this straight ... under a test at the Randi foundation, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you could demonstrate dowsing because the science isn't understood ... But yet in the woods of Minnesota somewhere, you can not only demonstrate it but teach the skeptic to do it himself? Why can't you do this in front of a scientific panel and claim your fortune and fame? Oh wait, I know why, because you're 100% full of it and your false claims will quickly shrivel and die under any type of real examination beyond urban legend and rumor. |
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So, are all the people in this thread that say they've done it lying? Some seem pretty convinced that it worked for them. I've never tried it but it sure does seem odd to have so many people make claims of it working. And not a single one of those people is willing to claim their $1,000,000 for demonstrating the skill they allege to have. What does that tell you? |
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Dowsing is definitely NOT B.S. I used to do it as a kid. I used two pieces of 2 foot long heavy duty copper wire each bent six inches from the end to form a handle. I could be blindfolded in my backyard and find a garden hose with the water either running or not. I just held the wires in front of me about a foot loosely in my hands. As I approached the hose they would quickly align themselves with the water in the hose until they were parallel to the hose. Definitely not Big Foot B.S. Never tried a Y shaped stick, though.
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Dowsing is definitely NOT B.S. I used to do it as a kid. I used two pieces of 2 foot long heavy duty copper wire each bent six inches from the end to form a handle. I could be blindfolded in my backyard and find a garden hose with the water either running or not. I just held the wires in front of me about a foot loosely in my hands. As I approached the hose they would quickly align themselves with the water in the hose until they were parallel to the hose. Definitely not Big Foot B.S. Never tried a Y shaped stick, though. AV1611 out...... 
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The fact is no 'Dowser' has been able to show (in front of an impartial judge) an ability to find water with a greater chance than random luck. I don't need to know HOW dowsing works to show that it doesn't. Simple tests can be set up to prove if one has the ability. Just like incremental changes in evolution theory 
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So, let me get this straight ... under a test at the Randi foundation, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you could demonstrate dowsing because the science isn't understood ... But yet in the woods of Minnesota somewhere, you can not only demonstrate it but teach the skeptic to do it himself? Why can't you do this in front of a scientific panel and claim your fortune and fame? Oh wait, I know why, because you're 100% full of it and your false claims will quickly shrivel and die under any type of real examination beyond urban legend and rumor. 
You called him the "Randi Foundation!" 
You haven't the slightest clue about this RANDI f(_)ckwit. He's a 'Magician' who has openly defrauded companies and customers, and has ZERO qualms about it. It's about as "Scientific" as Jerry Seinfeld! I've MET, and conversed with somebody who HAS taken Randi up on his offer! Have YOU??? First of all, Randi DOES NOT have a "FOUNDATION" as if it were some sort of Scientific Research Facility! In fact, to take him up on his offer - he comes out to meet with YOU on a site of your choosing! Even AFTER showing him 100% verifiable & REPEATABLE results - he has still denied it - he has a DOUBLE-EXIT-STRATEGY, and he has openly claimed he only does this to gain publicity for his Magic Shows! HE DOES NOT REALLY EVEN HAVE $1,000,000, and to claim otherwise is pure bullsh!t. There's a video on the net of him stating precisely that! To claim Randi is a 'Scientific Panel' is so Retarded, you have no clue... Basically, after talking with people who have taken Randi up on his offer, it basically goes down like this: 1.) They contact him. 2.) He flies out to see them, brings a camera crew. 3.) After verifying that it DOES work (usually with an +80% repeatable accuracy) he does one of two things: A.) If you've claimed that it works because of some "MAGICAL" or "DIVINE" reason - He tells you THAT isn't proof that he's just witnessed "MAGIC", he leaves, and doesn't pay up! B.) If you've claimed that it works because of some "SCIENTIFIC" reason - He tells you THAT isn't proof that he's just witnessed a "SCIENTIFIC" phenomena, and doesn't pay up! By claiming that he's never paid up doesn't mean jack SH!T about whether or not people have repeatedly & accurately done this... I guess the more I talk to a wall, the more it just makes me look as though I'm crazy... This isn't over yet - I WILL be posting youtube videos on this soon. With ARFCOM skeptics as well. I've already got THREE local arfcom skeptics that want to give this a try to prove me wrong. We'll see how it goes, as I'm curious to find out as well! 
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I guess calling a man a liar without proof is in vogue these days. Since you're the one making the accusation, you can pay for the plane ticket to Dane County, Wisconsin where I'll demonstrate the technique for you. Don't worry.... I'll buy you a beer afterward so you can console your bruised ego.
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Dowsing is definitely NOT B.S. I used to do it as a kid. I used two pieces of 2 foot long heavy duty copper wire each bent six inches from the end to form a handle. I could be blindfolded in my backyard and find a garden hose with the water either running or not. I just held the wires in front of me about a foot loosely in my hands. As I approached the hose they would quickly align themselves with the water in the hose until they were parallel to the hose. Definitely not Big Foot B.S. Never tried a Y shaped stick, though. AV1611 out...... http://i28.tinypic.com/33ksuir.gif |
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So, are all the people in this thread that say they've done it lying? Some seem pretty convinced that it worked for them. . For all the people that have claimed to have done it there are dozens more that claim they can't do it. It's called a 'random event' and with the size and amount of undergroun aquifers in many parts of the US it's no wonder some people think they can dowse. |
| The reason I borught this up was due tot the fact that I was having PVC fencing installed and I told the installer that I had a water sprinkler line that ran parrlell to the fence he was replacing but I was not sure just how close it came to the posts. He took out two pieces of what looked like aluminum rod, bent them into an L shape, put one in each hand with the L upside down and facing forward. He then walked over to the area where the line was and the upside down L sections in each hand started turning and made a T shape with the top of the T indicatating where the water line direction was. After digging it up it was exact. I did not pay any extra for the service and he did it so as not to strike the water line ( made of black heavy hose...not metal. ) So call it as you want but...I saw it. He said he does it on every job when a water line is thought to be near by... |
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So, let me get this straight ... under a test at the Randi foundation, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you could demonstrate dowsing because the science isn't understood ... But yet in the woods of Minnesota somewhere, you can not only demonstrate it but teach the skeptic to do it himself? Why can't you do this in front of a scientific panel and claim your fortune and fame? Oh wait, I know why, because you're 100% full of it and your false claims will quickly shrivel and die under any type of real examination beyond urban legend and rumor.
You called him the "Randi Foundation!"
You haven't the slightest clue about this RANDI f(_)ckwit. He's a 'Magician' who has openly defrauded companies and customers, and has ZERO qualms about it. It's about as "Scientific" as Jerry Seinfeld! I've MET, and conversed with somebody who HAS taken Randi up on his offer! Have YOU??? First of all, Randi DOES NOT have a "FOUNDATION" as if it were some sort of Scientific Research Facility! In fact, to take him up on his offer - he comes out to meet with YOU on a site of your choosing! Even AFTER showing him 100% verifiable & REPEATABLE results - he has still denied it - he has a DOUBLE-EXIT-STRATEGY, and he has openly claimed he only does this to gain publicity for his Magic Shows! HE DOES NOT REALLY EVEN HAVE $1,000,000, and to claim otherwise is pure bullsh!t. There's a video on the net of him stating precisely that! To claim Randi is a 'Scientific Panel' is so Retarded, you have no clue... Basically, after talking with people who have taken Randi up on his offer, it basically goes down like this: 1.) They contact him. 2.) He flies out to see them, brings a camera crew. 3.) After verifying that it DOES work (usually with an +80% repeatable accuracy) he does one of two things: A.) If you've claimed that it works because of some "MAGICAL" or "DIVINE" reason - He tells you THAT isn't proof that he's just witnessed "MAGIC", he leaves, and doesn't pay up! B.) If you've claimed that it works because of some "SCIENTIFIC" reason - He tells you THAT isn't proof that he's just witnessed a "SCIENTIFIC" phenomena, and doesn't pay up! By claiming that he's never paid up doesn't mean jack SH!T about whether or not people have repeatedly & accurately done this... I guess the more I talk to a wall, the more it just makes me look as though I'm crazy... This isn't over yet - I WILL be posting youtube videos on this soon. With ARFCOM skeptics as well. I've already got THREE local arfcom skeptics that want to give this a try to prove me wrong. We'll see how it goes, as I'm curious to find out as well!
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Time to throw more gasoline on the fire...
My BIL can find water, water lines, and electrical wires by "witchin" for it, with incredible accuracy. He's a retired power company employee, and he was noticeably more reliable than "Miss Utility." I've seen him do it, and I can with less accuracy than he, but I can. His utility crew would wait for the marking crew to leave, D would "witch" for the lines, and ignored the Miss Utility markings. Sometimes they coincided, sometimes they didn't, and when they didn't, they'd miss the lines if they went by the "witchin" markings. I used to be able to witch for wiring and water lines,haven't done it for years. I used a bent coat hangar for metallic objects, altho I never could use the willow fork and find water. Where I grew up is low land, you could find water anywhere if you dug deep enough. I'll find out if I can still do it, I'll be running a trench to the barn for power and will witch for the main lines coming in. They are a good 40' from where I'll be digging, just want to see if I can find them. Ops |
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Okay, he's a little information from a person who PERSONALLY KNOWS James Randi... This is one of the things I've heard of him... By the way, before you go promoting somebody's goofy claims as though he has some sort of Scientific Research Institute or something, you better learn a bit more about the man... ...The guy’s name is James Randi. He happens to be a professional magician (a good one at that) who takes great delight in “debunking” everything he can discredit, (mind reading, messages from the grave, etc. etc.). He has offered this so-called “prize” for at least the past 20 years.
Yup. Sounds to me like James Randi is a bona-fide scientific panel! He has not, nor will he “ever” pay out his one million dollar challenge to anyone. It is just a clever publicity stunt on his part. His “out” is that he always qualifies his challenge by demanding that any challengers must prove that what they are able to do is “paranormal”. Even if he witnesses the successful results, he simply says “Yes, but you can’t prove that what you are doing is paranormal… and then states that once again the dowser (or whomever) has failed! It’s a win-win thing for him and gets him more publicity besides...
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Well IMO common sense and logic tells us that witching for anything is BS. I don't doubt there are people that truly believe they can do it but it must be just a chance event. Bottom line is we have a lot of legit science in this world and if this were possible somewhere along the line it would have been verified in a lab and the source of the force the causes the alert would have been discovered. Science can't explain it because no one can do it consistently under lab conditions and at the same time you can't prove a negative so science moves on to things that can be verified and true believers continue believing.
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