Posted: 12/22/2016 3:11:07 AM EDT
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OK every one. I come to you looking for advice. Is Remington really a bad company now? I've been reading a LOT of bad things about them lately. I was looking at the R700 or 783 in 300 Win Mag but keep hearing bad stories. The only reason I'm looking at the 783 is because I can get it for $312 shipped. Comes as a package deal with a scope. I would eventually get a better scope and I found a company that makes a nice chassis for it. Oh the other hand I was looking at the 700 SPS for $504 shipped. The 700 comes just the gun. There is a world of aftermarket parts for the 700. So I guess if the first question I have is true I just spent all this time typing out the rest of this for nothing. So I'd need a suggestion on a bolt gun for around $500 or less.
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What are your intentions for this rifle? why 300WM?
I'll say my first centerfire bolt rifle was a 300WM and let me tell you, wrong move! it created a lot of bad habbits and was down right not enjoyable to shoot. a hunting weight 300WM is no joke in the recoil dept. it's more at home to shooting a group or two to verify zero then take hunting. Unless your planning on hunting large game from 500+ (and have the money to buy glass worthy of the cause and the ammo to get the practice to do so) I'd seriously consider stepping down to a milder cartridge like a 30-06. with all the new wiz bang ammo on the market you can get factory 30-06 ammo that can hang with a 300WM for a good while. if target shooting, long range, an occasional hunt, ect is on the menu then I'd consider stepping further down to a 6.5 creedmoor, 7mm08, .308. you'll get more bang for your buck and won't beat yourself up in the process. if big game hunting isn't on the board then it's pretty hard to beat a good ol .223 for the budget your posting. recoil is nil, its cheap to shoot relative to the bigger boys, and with the right loads/rifle it can teach you a lot out to a grand. (barrel choice is important here a 1:8-1:7, 22-26" barrel will maximize the cartridge's potential even more so if you had someone throat it to run the heavies) Lastly if your wanting something you can Mod as you go to put in a chassis and what not. then buy something worthy of the mods. the Tikka recommendation above is a great one, a R700 has the greatest aftermarket support, Savage's have a lot of potential for the budget minded and can be built in your garage vs sending off to a smith. Ruger has a lot of neat offerings for off the shelf solutions but are still rather new to the game. (they listen to what people like so they have factory 1:8 .223's with 16 or 22" threaded barrels) but again there definitely a entry level rifle and have little aftermarket support currently. the RPR however is an exception to the rule but well outside your budget from the sounds of it. |
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What are your intentions for this rifle? why 300WM? I'll say my first centerfire bolt rifle was a 300WM and let me tell you, wrong move! it created a lot of bad habbits and was down right not enjoyable to shoot. a hunting weight 300WM is no joke in the recoil dept. it's more at home to shooting a group or two to verify zero then take hunting. Unless your planning on hunting large game from 500+ (and have the money to buy glass worthy of the cause and the ammo to get the practice to do so) I'd seriously consider stepping down to a milder cartridge like a 30-06. with all the new wiz bang ammo on the market you can get factory 30-06 ammo that can hang with a 300WM for a good while. if target shooting, long range, an occasional hunt, ect is on the menu then I'd consider stepping further down to a 6.5 creedmoor, 7mm08, .308. you'll get more bang for your buck and won't beat yourself up in the process. if big game hunting isn't on the board then it's pretty hard to beat a good ol .223 for the budget your posting. recoil is nil, its cheap to shoot relative to the bigger boys, and with the right loads/rifle it can teach you a lot out to a grand. (barrel choice is important here a 1:8-1:7, 22-26" barrel will maximize the cartridge's potential even more so if you had someone throat it to run the heavies) Lastly if your wanting something you can Mod as you go to put in a chassis and what not. then buy something worthy of the mods. the Tikka recommendation above is a great one, a R700 has the greatest aftermarket support, Savage's have a lot of potential for the budget minded and can be built in your garage vs sending off to a smith. Ruger has a lot of neat offerings for off the shelf solutions but are still rather new to the game. (they listen to what people like so they have factory 1:8 .223's with 16 or 22" threaded barrels) but again there definitely a entry level rifle and have little aftermarket support currently. the RPR however is an exception to the rule but well outside your budget from the sounds of it. Target and medium to long range shooting. I was thinking 300 Win Mag but then realized ammo costs. 308 it is. I guess Cabelas has a Remington 700 ADL Varmint for $400 right now. Probably snag that. Jon |
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Target and medium to long range shooting. I was thinking 300 Win Mag but then realized ammo costs. 308 it is. I guess Cabelas has a Remington 700 ADL Varmint for $400 right now. Probably snag that. Jon yes much better option. the lowly .308 is starting to grow some legs with these new high BC bullets coming onto the market. that and ammo is everywhere. |
Long range target?? This is what I'm shooting currently and I'm very happy with it. Fluted 26" heavy bull barrel and a great stock trigger. I have a 13" plate out 1295yd and this gun terrorizes it with 140 VLD's. I like 260 Rem myself but a Creedmoor would be almost as good. 
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12LRP |
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I am pretty happy with the Remington 700 SPS Tactical in 223 that I picked up last year. It shoots sub MOA with 68, 69, and 75 grain ammo.
I have read mixed reports about the ADL Varmint but remember that it is the bottom of the barrel for a Remington. My friend has one in 223 and it shoots pretty well with his handloads. If you are budget minded, and you are not going to hunt, get a 223. |
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Since you're looking at short action now, have you looked into 6.5 Creedmoor at all? Very capable hunting round and excellent long range performance. I was looking into the 6.5 Creedmore. I already have a scope (be it not a great scope) for a 308 already. I know eventually I'll get a new one but for now I have a 308 scope. Had my eye on a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. Also, It's possible that I may now have a bit more to spend. Thinking about a REM 700 SS 308 24 5R MILSPEC. Can pick it up for $960. This probably isn't going to happen but it's possible. Jon |
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I was looking into the 6.5 Creedmore. I already have a scope (be it not a great scope) for a 308 already. I know eventually I'll get a new one but for now I have a 308 scope. Had my eye on a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. Also, It's possible that I may now have a bit more to spend. Thinking about a REM 700 SS 308 24 5R MILSPEC. Can pick it up for $960. This probably isn't going to happen but it's possible. Jon Tikka T3x CTR for that much money is a FAR better gun. |
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OK. I have better details to offer. Here is what I want to do and what I have to spend.
$800-900 to spend on the gun. If it's already threaded that would be nice. I could care less about the stock because I want to get a MDT chassis soon after. Has to be in 308. I have the scope for it and the ammo. I have a Redfield Battlezone 3-9x42 TAC-MOA scope that will be used for now. It will be a beginners long range gun so 300 up to 1000 yrds. Fond of Remington but only because of all the aftermarket availability with parts. So with a little more information what say thou?? Jon |
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I have a .300 Winchester Magnum Remington 40-X. It has a 27.5" heavy SS barrel and kicked like a mule. I suggest you buy a rifle that already has a muzzle break installed or has a barrel large enough at the muzzle to be threaded 5/8"X24 to accept an aftermarket muzzle brake. Threading cost me $140.00 plus two way shipping.
.300 Winchester Magnum is the largest caliber you will ever need (or want). I suggest a quality .308 (read not a Remington 783) because ammo is more reasonable and more commonly available. Federal Gold Medal Match or Black Hills ammo will hammer from any decent rifle and not blow your shoulder out. I reload and use 190 grain and 200 grain Sierra Match Kings in my 40-X. They are very expensive by anyone's standards and they are the cheapest bullets available that are known good performers at long distance. |
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Get a used 700 ADL. Look for an older one with blued steel. Get it in .308 or '06 for ammo availability and cost. Done. With the huge aftermarket, you can later restock or have a gunsmith rebarrel it later. Resale is atrocious. That's my point. You can pick up a used Rem 700 ADL very inexpensively, especially if you wait until hunting season is over. Those made in the '60 and 70's are good shooters. Several I have from that era shoot no more than 1.5 MOA and typically better when you restock them or pilar block the existing stock. I have them in '06, .280 and 7mm Rem Mag. Those are darned good actions and out of the box have shot tighter groups than my Winchester Model 70s. I would not buy one with the idea of reselling it. |
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That's my point. You can pick up a used Rem 700 ADL very inexpensively, especially if you wait until hunting season is over. Those made in the '60 and 70's are good shooters. Several I have from that era shoot no more than 1.5 MOA and typically better when you restock them or pilar block the existing stock. I have them in '06, .280 and 7mm Rem Mag. Those are darned good actions and out of the box have shot tighter groups than my Winchester Model 70s. I would not buy one with the idea of reselling it. If you did or needed to resell it your $3400 custom gun will sell for $1800. Less if you've fired it. |
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If you did or needed to resell it your $3400 custom gun will sell for $1800. Less if you've fired it. Quoted:
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That's my point. You can pick up a used Rem 700 ADL very inexpensively, especially if you wait until hunting season is over. Those made in the '60 and 70's are good shooters. Several I have from that era shoot no more than 1.5 MOA and typically better when you restock them or pilar block the existing stock. I have them in '06, .280 and 7mm Rem Mag. Those are darned good actions and out of the box have shot tighter groups than my Winchester Model 70s. I would not buy one with the idea of reselling it. If you did or needed to resell it your $3400 custom gun will sell for $1800. Less if you've fired it. But that is typically true for any bolt gun, except for some collectables which do appreciate in value. A Weatherby Mark V Deluxe in .300 Weatherby made in the mid '60 that I inherited is worth considerably more than its original cost. So is the case with my Remington 725 and a Remington 541-S and a few others. But, for the most part, I agree. One should not expect a current manufacture field grade bolt gun to appreciate in value. Highly unlikely. |
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But that is typically true for any bolt gun, except for some collectables which do appreciate in value. A Weatherby Mark V Deluxe in .300 Weatherby made in the mid '60 that I inherited is worth considerably more than its original cost. So is the case with my Remington 725 and a Remington 541-S and a few others. But, for the most part, I agree. One should not expect a current manufacture field grade bolt gun to appreciate in value. Highly unlikely. Sako TRG, $3000 new $2800 used. Tikka CTR $1000 new $850 used. |
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Sako TRG, $3000 new $2800 used. Tikka CTR $1000 new $850 used. You're making my point. Buy used and save money, unless it is a true collectable. Here is one that I will guarantee you has appreciated in value. This is an early German (J.P. Sauer and Sohn) barreled action original mid-60s Weatherby Mark V Deluxe in .300 Weatherby in completely unaltered original condition. The bluing is a mirror finish. The stock is considerably above typical for even the Deluxe version. The scope is the original to the rifle, El Paso, Texas, Weaver V-12. It is not for sale. I concede these are exceptions to the rule and collector value exceeds original price only for desirable examples that have survived over a long stretch of time. 
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OK. I have better details to offer. Here is what I want to do and what I have to spend. $800-900 to spend on the gun. If it's already threaded that would be nice. I could care less about the stock because I want to get a MDT chassis soon after. Has to be in 308. I have the scope for it and the ammo. I have a Redfield Battlezone 3-9x42 TAC-MOA scope that will be used for now. It will be a beginners long range gun so 300 up to 1000 yrds. Fond of Remington but only because of all the aftermarket availability with parts. So with a little more information what say thou?? Jon here's the answer to your calling. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/8550/Savage+10BA+STEALTH+308 
.308 check threaded check already comes with MDT chassis Bonus! $800-900 budget...$16 over....but you already hit the ground with the chassis your after. |
| I have heard good things about the ADL Varmint, I was at Cabelas the other day and I think they were at $549 price wise, Black Friday sales usually put them at $400 though(I know you don't want to wait) I would go with a 223 for your first bolt gun as well, I bought my first 223 many years ago and its been love ever since, also a side note on the 300WM a guy local to me has a nice Ruger 77MKll that he cant give away, he is currently down to $350 on it, it looks real clean to by the pictures, not many people want the caliber though. |
I bought a Remington 700 Long Range in 3006. I sold it here to a member in Hawaii (shipping was almost 100.00 lol) long story short gun was sub moa and very capable with reloads, but I had to check over 3 of them before I bought that one.... 2 had stock issues where the barrel touched the side of the stock.... What I am getting at, if you go the 700 ADL Varmint route, look the gun over before you buy. There are some gems out there, but some of them are not coming out to well...
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I bought a Remington 700 Long Range in 3006. I sold it here to a member in Hawaii (shipping was almost 100.00 lol) long story short gun was sub moa and very capable with reloads, but I had to check over 3 of them before I bought that one.... 2 had stock issues where the barrel touched the side of the stock.... What I am getting at, if you go the 700 ADL Varmint route, look the gun over before you buy. There are some gems out there, but some of them are not coming out to well... Nice lookin gun there! Jon |
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Our local sporting goods store has an almost new stainless for $499. Lots of cheap used 300wm. always has been. Your average joe that shoots a box or two of ammo a year buys one because he hears about the great ballistics then shoots it a few times and realizes the recoil is pretty severe. Then he carries it around threw the woods and realizes the damn gun is heavy, they then miss because they developed a flinch shooting the gun and next year they go back to their 308 or 06. |
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Go find you a good used Rem 700 BDL ................plenty at used gun stores. Plenty of them...yes But they are usually beat to hell and want a premium price. The bad things about the 700 are hyped up. Id go out and buy several right now if I needed more. if you buy a "package" deal gun, toss the scope and buy something decent. Even the $100 leupold or bushnells are leaps and bounds better |
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Plenty of them...yes But they are usually beat to hell and want a premium price. The bad things about the 700 are hyped up. Id go out and buy several right now if I needed more. if you buy a "package" deal gun, toss the scope and buy something decent. Even the $100 leupold or bushnells are leaps and bounds better No shit. There is a guy on here that has taken a rifle with a Leupold VX1 to Africa several times. |