Posted: 12/11/2014 2:43:32 AM EDT
| im looking to start competing at 1000 yard range i have here locally by me, i was looking at a 338 lapua savage 110ba, my budget isright around $3000 for rifle and scope, any and all help is appreciated |
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I have a 110BA and the thought of competing with it never crossed my mind.
If you choose your parts carefully, you can build a 1000yd gun within your budget that will work better for competing at a 1000yd. Are you talking Bench Rest, F-class or some thing else? Also, do you reload? I ask because the 338LM cost a metric shit ton to feed with factory "match" ammo. I'm currently working on a custom build chambered in 6.5x47 Lapua. A lot of guys shooting F-class at 1000 are shooting 7mm. |
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Keep in mind that bench rest classes normally have weight limits. The 110BA would put you in the Heavy Gun or Unlimited classes.
If you looking for an off the shelf gun, the Savage Model 12, 6.5x284 with a Night Force scope would leave you with about $200 to put toward a front rest and bag. The down side is the 6.5x284 is a barrel burner and will need a new barrel or re-chamber every 1200-1500 rounds. If you need or want longer barrel life, there is better choices. For 1000yd bench-rest, you want a very fast, very efficient bullet. AKA 6.5 or 7mm. This also means med-to-hot loads, which cost you barrel life. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/6-0129447 |
| ok i mean im not set on the savage 110 ba, i just dont know alot about the 6.5 or the 7mm, the rifle would also be a recreational range gun, like friendly competition, i was also looking at a 50 bmg rifle but that wont leave me any $ for glass, even though i make pretty good money, i could also get just the rifle and wait on glass |
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If your looking a "recreational range gun" that you could use in benchrest a couple of times a year, maybe a 260, 6.5x47 or creedmoor would fit the bill ( though I don't know much about the Creedmoor ). They would give you longer barrel life, be cheaper to reload and would shoot very well.
Edit> When I said 7mm, I was thinking about the 284. If you push them fast, they also have some what shorter barrel life. What you can do, what ever you end up with, find a "hotter" (faster) load that works and save it just for competing with. The rest of the time while "fun shooting" with friends, run a medium load (low node) to help save some barrel life. |
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well what about the 308? also is the 338 lm just a bad round for 1000? i know it really shines after the 1000 yard range, would the 50 be that bad? i know im not gonna win any competitions, just enjoy competing. In that case, the 308 is a great round. With the right bullets/loads, it would work well at 1000 and the barrel life is long. Here is one to look at. Laminated stock, 30" stainless barrel. Single shot though. When you shoot BR, most clubs make you load single shots. Just remember, when reading the wind or adj your rest/bags, don't leave a round in the chamber to heat up. Leave to bolt open till your ready to take the next shot then close the bolt. The time the round sits in the chamber should be close to the same for each shot so the velocity's stay more consistent. http://www.impactguns.com/savage-12-ftr-308-18154-011356181541.aspx Sleepy time for me. 73 |
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well is the 338 lapua that bad for 1000 yards? what about the 50 .bmg also? since i could rune the hornady 750 amax for comp and standard milsurp for fun?
i enjoy larger calibers im not recoil sensitive, i would also enjoy getting past the 1000 yard after some time |
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Everyone is recoil sensitive unless you had your nerves and bones surgically removed. Don't be silly.
If you are the kind of guy who Goes to the range and has other people shoot your gun more than you do and dont expect to hit much...just like seeing dirt fly and hearing the big boom then 338 or 50bmg are great calibers. If you want to develop any sort of proficiency get a small caliber in the 6 or 6.5mm range or a 308 |
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What are you shooting?
Matches - no one is running a .338 off of a bench in competition, and the only folks running a .50 BMG off of a bench is FCSA (Fifty Cal Assoc). Long Range Shooting - see below, but both of those calibers fit into a very niche application. If you wish to compete in a dedicated match/class format like FCSA, that is your call. Just understand at that level, your budget is not going to even be close. I shot FCSA for 2 years, and then looked at the balance in my bank accounts, and called it quits. Did you read this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_1/453_Which_Round_Rifle___Read_This_First__Then_Ask_.html If you will note, I did not go above .30 cal, because unless you are purely focused on ELR (Extreme Long Range) shooting, there is really no need or benefit for anything above that. PLEASE do your homework before you jump into anything! M Richardson |
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It sounds like you want/need two guns maybe. 50 cal Amax's are about $6 each. When I shoot the 50, its 20-30 rounds. The 338, its 50 rounds. 308, its 100+. 223, 300-400. How much do you want to shoot?
If you want to shoot a LOT, look at the 6BR, 260, 308 or 6.5x47 lapua. Those will work to a 1000 if it's not too much wind and are much cheaper to reload with little recoil. Shooting a 338LM inside of a 1000 is like buying a 650hp car to deliver newspapers. It's overkill. I know a few shooters that had to have a 338LM and after a year of target shooting, got tired of the cost and abuse. They always moved down in caliber. If you want to shoot 1000 to a mile a few times a year, the 338 is fine. If you want to shoot inside a 1050yd, 2-4 times a month, I would go 308 or smaller. This comes from someone that has 1000's of 338LM and 100's of 50BMG rounds down range. Oh, speaking of which, milsurp 50 rounds are 2-3 moa and will frustrate you at out a 1000. And one more thing, reloading for competitive long range shooting is sorta an art form. Well at least a step up from just running blasting ammo through a press. Neck size, neck tension, concentricity and bullet jump need to be closely watched. |
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I have shot both the Savage 110BA 338LM and the Barrett 50 BMG. Both are very fun guns to shoot. I only shot them at 500m so can't speak as to how they work at longer ranges. I want one just because so I started looking at the loads. What it boiled down to for me was the 50BMG is cheaper to load and shoot AFTER the purchase of the gun and optics. There are good once fired brass and pulled bullet deals out there. Lots of fun to shoot but the 50 has one major draw back, muzzle blast. The recoil of the gun is not bad but the muzzle blast is out of control. With plugs and muffs I really didn't want to shoot the 50 that often. So add a can to your budget if you want to shoot it much.
With that said, I had a talk with one of the Savage team members about getting a recreational 1,000 yd gun. He immediately recommended a 308. For punching paper out to 1,000 he said it was the best balance of barrel life, accuracy and ease of reloading. I am going to start my search for one soon. Enjoy the process! |
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well it would probably be once a month out to the 1000 yard range and several times a month at the 100-500 yard ranges, my employer has a company membership out to rock castle shooting center, rock castle onlt has 2 long range tournaments a year, so it would mostly be me and my buddys going out to the 1000 yard range, since it cost 25$ per person with a membership,but the 25 yard - 500 yard is free for members, maybe i just buy myself a 308 and me and my buddy split a bigger caliber, i know the 6mm would be better long range, i just dont know a whole lot about them, id rather stay with traditional calibers.
when we would go out it would prolly be 50 rounds of the bigger caliber, in between me and him, then we would switch out to our smaller guns. i really appreciate all the help from everyone. |
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well it would probably be once a month out to the 1000 yard range and several times a month at the 100-500 yard ranges, my employer has a company membership out to rock castle shooting center, rock castle onlt has 2 long range tournaments a year, so it would mostly be me and my buddys going out to the 1000 yard range, since it cost 25$ per person with a membership,but the 25 yard - 500 yard is free for members, maybe i just buy myself a 308 and me and my buddy split a bigger caliber, i know the 6mm would be better long range, i just dont know a whole lot about them, id rather stay with traditional calibers.
when we would go out it would prolly be 50 rounds of the bigger caliber, in between me and him, then we would switch out to our smaller guns. i really appreciate all the help from everyone. |
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I don't own a true 1,000 yd gun at this time, so consider the source…
I would not want to be around for 50 rounds of BMG. In terms of a 308, We shot at 600 yds a couple of weeks ago. The most accurate shooter out of 8 of us was shooting a Savage F class in 308. He was shooting, iirc, FGMM 175 factory ammo. His groups were running @ 2-3". So for a "budget" bolt gun I will be looking for a Savage. FWIW, I was shooting a 16" LaRue PredatOBR 5.56 and could keep my groups under 6" easily. As far as a semi is concerned, I am a LaRue fan boy. An 18" OBR would make for some serious fun shooting. But remember, I am just a fun loving trigger puller, not a "pro." |
| You can get a really good model 700 varient in .300 win mag for under 1500$ that leaves you quite a bit for some sweet glass and a bipod. Plus the .300 win mag has a ton of weights and loading options if you are going to hand load. I would absolutely choose it or a 7mm mag. Just keep in mind the 7 mag doesn't have nearly as many reload options. |
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What are you shooting? Matches - no one is running a .338 off of a bench in competition, and the only folks running a .50 BMG off of a bench is FCSA (Fifty Cal Assoc). Long Range Shooting - see below, but both of those calibers fit into a very niche application. If you wish to compete in a dedicated match/class format like FCSA, that is your call. Just understand at that level, your budget is not going to even be close. I shot FCSA for 2 years, and then looked at the balance in my bank accounts, and called it quits. Did you read this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_1/453_Which_Round_Rifle___Read_This_First__Then_Ask_.html If you will note, I did not go above .30 cal, because unless you are purely focused on ELR (Extreme Long Range) shooting, there is really no need or benefit for anything above that. PLEASE do your homework before you jump into anything! M Richardson M Richardson, you rock man. I wish I could have a range day with you and just go over mil adjustments. Thanks for all the information and respect, you know your stuff brother. |
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Would a 6.5 grendel upper with 24" heavy barrel be decent for 1000 yards? With quality parts of course If it would be a range/target gun only, I would go longer than 24". 28" maybe. Here is a link about the Grendel. Also 6mmbr.com has a ton of info on target/bench shooting. http://www.6mmbr.com/65grendel.html |