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Posted: 12/2/2009 12:06:50 PM EST
been cruising some of the government liquidation websites. A lot of these vehicles are listed as low mileage vehicles but with descriptions like "does not run", "do not know if it runs" or "no keys" etc etc etc.
I assume it is let the bidder beware. Are these things typically pretty cockroached out or is it a simple case of a vehicle thats driven little but sits a lot. Just wondering if i drag one of these home , is it usually a matter of putting in new batteries, giving them some TLC and calling a locksmith to re-key it? Or does it become a frustrating $2000 death march that makes you wish you never dragged the things home to begin with? Most are 6.2 diesels, which, while slow, would seem to be a decent engine for a K-5 size vehicle, but IDK . Kind of want a winter project, but dont feel like doing a major vehicle overhaul |
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I take it that you are not an Army Veteran. You kinda need to live the life to understand.
The average operator of an army vehicle cannot legally buy beer. Statistically speaking they came from some economically pressured urban background. Not a formula that attracts mechanically talented operators. The first line supervisors were operators 3 years ago. If you don't have a lot of talent entering don't expect much out. The vehicles are 18 to 27 years old The Army is selling these trucks because they cost more to keep than to replace. |
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I take it that you are not an Army Veteran. You kinda need to live the life to understand. The average operator of an army vehicle cannot legally buy beer. Statistically speaking they came from some economically pressured urban background. Not a formula that attracts mechanically talented operators. The first line supervisors were operators 3 years ago. If you don't have a lot of talent entering don't expect much out. The vehicles are 18 to 27 years old The Army is selling these trucks because they cost more to keep than to replace. +1. These are not ready to run, ready to go, bet your life to go cross country type vehicles. Regardless of miles, most have alot of HOURS on them, from sitting and idling, etc. You can get a good one, many ppl have, but you do need to have some mechanical abilities b4 even thinking about one. |
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I take it that you are not an Army Veteran. You kinda need to live the life to understand. . US ARMY, 1988- 1993, US Marine Corps Reserves, 1993 - 2008. Sorry to disappoint you. But no, i have never been involved in unit level vehicle maintenance. I have driven quite a few of these in years past (in the Army) . My USMCR unit had phased in the Hummers for most things by the time i had entered that phase of my life. Many of these vehicles have low time on them with respect to their age indicating they sit a lot. a theory borne out by the rows and rows of these things sitting in gravel parking lots at bases and holding yards all over the place. They are not costing much in maintenance dollars if they just sit for 10 years –– so you cant give me that bs. As far as operators go, it doesnt take a lot of aptitude to drive an auto transmission CUCV, however i realize that kids with little respect for themselves likely have little for a unit truck ––- but as i said the saving grace for some of these is the low operating hours. Was looking for input from one of the forum members who has actually brought one home and whether they would do it again or not. Interested in the horror stories as well as the success stories |
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It's helps if you live close enough to see them first hand before you bid.
I have seen some real nice ones, and some that are barely good for parts. |
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I take it that you are not an Army Veteran. You kinda need to live the life to understand. . US ARMY, 1988- 1993, US Marine Corps Reserves, 1993 - 2008. Sorry to disappoint you. But no, i have never been involved in unit level vehicle maintenance. I have driven quite a few of these in years past (in the Army) . My USMCR unit had phased in the Hummers for most things by the time i had entered that phase of my life. Many of these vehicles have low time on them with respect to their age indicating they sit a lot. a theory borne out by the rows and rows of these things sitting in gravel parking lots at bases and holding yards all over the place. They are not costing much in maintenance dollars if they just sit for 10 years –– so you cant give me that bs. As far as operators go, it doesnt take a lot of aptitude to drive an auto transmission CUCV, however i realize that kids with little respect for themselves likely have little for a unit truck ––- but as i said the saving grace for some of these is the low operating hours. Was looking for input from one of the forum members who has actually brought one home and whether they would do it again or not. Interested in the horror stories as well as the success stories There are members (plural) who have bought these Blazers and brought them home. I was not BSing about more expensive to keep than to replace. remember that the Army considers more than storage cost. The Army includes projected need in their cost evaluation which can be influenced by force size and structure. You are correct that it does not take a lot of talent to operate an auto tranny. Now did the seals dry out from sitting then Pvt Zero drive the thing 150 miles on an exercise without checking the fluid? Did Pvt Zero not understand that 4wd is not for use on dry hard top, so that now the guts of the transfer case are ground into metallic confetti? There are many things on a vehicle that can be easily destroyed by ignorance and lack of understanding. |
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I see your point PA. Whole lot of variables. I will see if any are at any of my somewhat local bases first. I will be the first to admit that it is a lot easier to work on a clean race car that is practically made to be maintained,(dzus fasteners on the sheetmetal, lighter weight components, etc) than it is crawling around under a dirty grease trap like my old K-5. I had to pull the tranny once to replace a seal on the back of the t-Case ––- didnt think i would ever be clean again
I am going to monitor the auction sites and see what they go for vs. how much other individuals sell them for after they have already gotten them up and running. These vehicles seem to be fairly popular in some of the off-roading circles and i have seen them come up for sale from time to time. |
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Here is the lowdown on buying CUCV’s at government auctions.
Most will have issues. Right now the Army has decreed no more money is to be spend on parts for these without special command authorization. Thus, units are keeping them running by hook and crook, and cannibalizing them as they go. Don’t expect one to run right out the door. You cannot test drive them. Most have sat for 6+ months before sale, and that means dead batteries, so if they did have a key you still may not be able to start them. They all used the same key, and I can get you the code and any GM dealer of good locksmith can have it cut for you. Of course, this is also a security issue- I have a key on my ring that will start and open them all, so if you get one swap the locks and ignition. Go ahead and figure on buying a driveshaft. The Government Liquidation and DRMO employees are lazy bums, and move these with forklifts, and the bend the driveshafts while doing it. They know they are damaging them, and don’t care. If you see one with damage to the side of the bed and the door, you can bet that was from the same forklift that also mangled the driveshaft. Go ahead and figure on having a new one built or your bent one retubed, the supply of used ones dried up long ago due to demand. If you get lucky enough to buy a running one, some posts will let you drive them off, some will not. But you cannot even apply for the title until it is picked up and then that costs $60 and takes 3-6 weeks, so you won’t be legal to drive it home anyway. If you are not a current bidder, you will have to fill out an end use certificate. It is essentially a background/citizenship check, but it can take 40-60 days for your first ever one to be approved, and you can’t pick your truck up until it is. You will have to pay for it within 3 days of auction close, however. If the government monkeys don’t get it done in 60 days, you get a refund. All that said- if you get a good running one, an M1008 or M1009 is the ultimate SHTF vehicle. Utter simplicity means less to break and easier to fix. No computer means no EMP risk. 6.2 diesels are no powerhouse, but they are reliable and parts are plentiful and far cheaper than any other diesels out there. Diesel means you can run lots of things as fuel. The rest of teh parts for an 80's GM truck are easy to scrounge. The only thing one needs to do is swap it to 12V. But, if you have never purchased from a government auction, I would buy from a private individual unless you have time and money and want a side project. |
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<snip> You are correct that it does not take a lot of talent to operate an auto tranny. Now did the seals dry out from sitting then Pvt Zero drive the thing 150 miles on an exercise without checking the fluid? Did Pvt Zero not understand that 4wd is not for use on dry hard top, so that now the guts of the transfer case are ground into metallic confetti? There are many things on a vehicle that can be easily destroyed by ignorance and lack of understanding. Well, if they start surplussing the current 998s, 1038s, 1026s, 1097s, etc., for the current reasons, all the above will be true. However, that stuff is usually swapped out just about as soon as it is wrecked. These CUCVs, perhaps not so much. My favorite so far is an entire weapons platoon worth of 1026s destroying their fans one after another at a ford point meant for LMTVs and up. As for the 1009 and 1008 types as ultimate SHTF rigs, I recall reading somewhere that many were sent to Africa and did not hold up very well. |
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<snip> You are correct that it does not take a lot of talent to operate an auto tranny. Now did the seals dry out from sitting then Pvt Zero drive the thing 150 miles on an exercise without checking the fluid? Did Pvt Zero not understand that 4wd is not for use on dry hard top, so that now the guts of the transfer case are ground into metallic confetti? There are many things on a vehicle that can be easily destroyed by ignorance and lack of understanding. Well, if they start surplussing the current 998s, 1038s, 1026s, 1097s, etc., for the current reasons, all the above will be true. However, that stuff is usually swapped out just about as soon as it is wrecked. These CUCVs, perhaps not so much. My favorite so far is an entire weapons platoon worth of 1026s destroying their fans one after another at a ford point meant for LMTVs and up. As for the 1009 and 1008 types as ultimate SHTF rigs, I recall reading somewhere that many were sent to Africa and did not hold up very well. Umm, not to be a jerk but, what has done well in Africa? When the fine sand gets into cracks and crevases it locks up everything. Helicopters don't fly, weapons malfunction. I think the statment is kinda silly. Oh and I don't plan on taking it to Africa, it does well in the deserts here. |
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<snip> Umm, not to be a jerk but, what has done well in Africa? When the fine sand gets into cracks and crevases it locks up everything. Helicopters don't fly, weapons malfunction. I think the statment is kinda silly. Oh and I don't plan on taking it to Africa, it does well in the deserts here. I have to compliment you on how slick yours looks (im not sure if "slick" is the right term though). That is exactly what i had in mind . However i realize it probably didnt look that nice when you towed it off the base. Im gonna follow GarandShooters advice and see what kind of hoops i need to jump through to procure , but im still going to keep an eye out for one that is already tagged and up and running in the private sector. Do these have the heavy duty floating axle rearend? edit: never mind - i looked again and saw a normal 6 lug bolt pattern |
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I see your point PA. Whole lot of variables. I will see if any are at any of my somewhat local bases first. I will be the first to admit that it is a lot easier to work on a clean race car that is practically made to be maintained,(dzus fasteners on the sheetmetal, lighter weight components, etc) than it is crawling around under a dirty grease trap like my old K-5. I had to pull the tranny once to replace a seal on the back of the t-Case ––- didnt think i would ever be clean again I am going to monitor the auction sites and see what they go for vs. how much other individuals sell them for after they have already gotten them up and running. These vehicles seem to be fairly popular in some of the off-roading circles and i have seen them come up for sale from time to time. I assume these are pre computer.....a breeze...no smog shit to deal with....an engine moving parts...no o2, no egr...no codes...no bs.... I know 2 dozens stories of people with o2, egr, etc etc...computer said this, lets try this....after hundreds and hundreds of dollars... I am considering a Duece and a half.....as my BOV...there is a shop that chops it....removes one of the 2 rear axles...shortens the bed...looks like what a real off road vehicle should look like. |
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been cruising some of the government liquidation websites. A lot of these vehicles are listed as low mileage vehicles but with descriptions like "does not run", "do not know if it runs" or "no keys" etc etc etc. I assume it is let the bidder beware. Are these things typically pretty cockroached out or is it a simple case of a vehicle thats driven little but sits a lot. Just wondering if i drag one of these home , is it usually a matter of putting in new batteries, giving them some TLC and calling a locksmith to re-key it? Or does it become a frustrating $2000 death march that makes you wish you never dragged the things home to begin with? Most are 6.2 diesels, which, while slow, would seem to be a decent engine for a K-5 size vehicle, but IDK . Kind of want a winter project, but dont feel like doing a major vehicle overhaul Get one of these....bobbed....shortened.... http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=719365 You can get them cheaper than this also....nothing can stop it short a tank. |
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Umm, not to be a jerk but, what has done well in Africa? When the fine sand gets into cracks and crevases it locks up everything. Helicopters don't fly, weapons malfunction. I think the statment is kinda silly. Oh and I don't plan on taking it to Africa, it does well in the deserts here. I apologize- now that I look at it, I did come off as a jerk with what I said. I was quoting something I read on Wikipedia or some such without thinking. Nice looking 1009, by the way. I have wanted one for some time but simply cannot justify two vehicles right now with all the moving I will be doing and schools/deployment on the very near horizon. Yes, Africa is hard on vehicles. That is why it is/was the land of the old diesel Toyota Hilux: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/nihilsum/toyota-hilux.jpg Didn't take it that way, i just know when I was in Africa everything was falling apart. That is an awesome picture!! |
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<snip> Umm, not to be a jerk but, what has done well in Africa? When the fine sand gets into cracks and crevases it locks up everything. Helicopters don't fly, weapons malfunction. I think the statment is kinda silly. Oh and I don't plan on taking it to Africa, it does well in the deserts here. I have to compliment you on how slick yours looks (im not sure if "slick" is the right term though). That is exactly what i had in mind . However i realize it probably didnt look that nice when you towed it off the base. Im gonna follow GarandShooters advice and see what kind of hoops i need to jump through to procure , but im still going to keep an eye out for one that is already tagged and up and running in the private sector. Do these have the heavy duty floating axle rearend? edit: never mind - i looked again and saw a normal 6 lug bolt pattern No, it looked good, had to put new batteries and a fuel filter in it. i have put about $1000 into it, New shocks, two new front tires, carpet, sound deadner, console and stereo, and new CARC paint. I'll take better pics of the inside and outside. I went out to a nieghbors field and he had a M101 trailer sitting there. He gave it to me and I am tearing it down to build back up to tow with this. But off the base, it was good. |
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I think GarandShooter mentioned it, but these all use the same key. The key code is available on Steel Soldiers.com, as is countless other useful information on bidding, winning, transporting, titling, insuring, repairing, modifying, etc these trucks.
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We bought our 1008 and 1009 from a guy in NC who gets them from DRMO and rebuilds them, then sells them. He is a certified mechanic and can usually take 2-3 vehicles from the auction and make one decent vehicle. He also is an OTR truck driver with his own rig, so it costs him only fuel and time to bring the vehicles home when he wins an auction.
These vehicles were designed to be driven by 18 year old guys with more testosterone than sense, so by the time the military gets rid of them they're pretty thrashed. That said, once they're restored they're almost impossible to break. Plus, parts for routine maintenance and repairs are readily available at NAPA. The ignition on our 1008 was re-keyed so the standard key won't start the truck. The 1009 is stock. |
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This is the AR15com for surplus info http://www.steelsoldiers.com/
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We bought our 1008 and 1009 from a guy in NC who gets them from DRMO and rebuilds them, then sells them. He is a certified mechanic and can usually take 2-3 vehicles from the auction and make one decent vehicle. He also is an OTR truck driver with his own rig, so it costs him only fuel and time to bring the vehicles home when he wins an auction. These vehicles were designed to be driven by 18 year old guys with more testosterone than sense, so by the time the military gets rid of them they're pretty thrashed. That said, once they're restored they're almost impossible to break. Plus, parts for routine maintenance and repairs are readily available at NAPA. The ignition on our 1008 was re-keyed so the standard key won't start the truck. The 1009 is stock. Who is the guy in NC ? Very interested in contacting him . |
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Most of these are obsolete because they are being replaced by HUMVEEs, FMTV, MRAP, etc.
Also, there is a maintenance expenditure limit the military uses based on vehicle/equipment age. Something 10 years old or older has a very low one-time repair cost. I've seen many a vehicle get sent to DRMO becuase the maintenance expenditure limit wouldn't even allow for a minor transmission repair. As many others have stated, these are hit or miss. There are some dogs and some gems. You really need to physically inspect and not buy sight unseen. I think there is a company in NJ or PA that buys them and fixes them up for resale. Would love to have a 1008 though. Had one when I was in Saudi and loved it. |
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We bought our 1008 and 1009 from a guy in NC who gets them from DRMO and rebuilds them, then sells them. He is a certified mechanic and can usually take 2-3 vehicles from the auction and make one decent vehicle. He also is an OTR truck driver with his own rig, so it costs him only fuel and time to bring the vehicles home when he wins an auction. These vehicles were designed to be driven by 18 year old guys with more testosterone than sense, so by the time the military gets rid of them they're pretty thrashed. That said, once they're restored they're almost impossible to break. Plus, parts for routine maintenance and repairs are readily available at NAPA. The ignition on our 1008 was re-keyed so the standard key won't start the truck. The 1009 is stock. Who is the guy in NC ? Very interested in contacting him . http://www.henrystrucks.com/ - while the site is a work in progress, the contact info is good. This is what happens when a truck driver tries to learn web development... |
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I have a M1010 CUCV ambulance and have loved it since the day I bought it. I bought it off a private individual who had it a number of years and had converted it to 12V. My dentist has two M1009's, his dad has an old Weasel and the members in our FFL have a combined 12 or so 2 1/2 ton Deuces. I would like to get a 1009 and a Deuce but my wife says that the M1010 would have to go before either of those happen...hate to lose a great woman!
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I take it that you are not an Army Veteran. You kinda need to live the life to understand. The average operator of an army vehicle cannot legally buy beer. Statistically speaking they came from some economically pressured urban background. Not a formula that attracts mechanically talented operators. The first line supervisors were operators 3 years ago. If you don't have a lot of talent entering don't expect much out. The vehicles are 18 to 27 years old The Army is selling these trucks because they cost more to keep than to replace. Close. The following is a paraphrase from the OIC of CTARNG's maintenance shops: After a certain cost threshold of repairs the Army says it's not worth it to repair. Now the repair the vehicle needs may be an engine overhaul, or it can be a rather small repair (windshield replacement for example), but once the cost threshold is reached the vehicle is sold. Kinda strange in my book, but I guess from an 'fleet' perspecitve it makes sense. Some of those gov surpluses will be good (or great) deals for the consumer. But know what you are getting, and how you will get spare parts because it could have major issues. |
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Get one of these....bobbed....shortened.... http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=719365 You can get them cheaper than this also....nothing can stop it short a tank. Nice, very nice! |
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After a certain cost threshold of repairs the Army says it's not worth it to repair. Now the repair the vehicle needs may be an engine overhaul, or it can be a rather small repair (windshield replacement for example), but once the cost threshold is reached the vehicle is sold. Kinda strange in my book, but I guess from an 'fleet' perspecitve it makes sense. Yepo. It is called a maximum expendature limit or MEL. A formula is followed where as the equipment ages, less and less of the purchase price can be spent to maintain something. When it is new, you can sometimes go up to 95% of the purchase cost. As it ages, that goes lower and lower until you hit zero- or a set bottom limit on items like armor that just go to rebuild. But, if there is a critical shortage, the MEL and be raised up. For example for a while we had huge issues with a shortage of gensets, and they raised the MEL on all gensets to 150%. Once the MEL on something hits 10% or 5%, something like tires will go over, and it should be turned in. At that point you can also manipulate it, for example if you need 4 tires and that will put it over- if you do not want the truck, you put all 4 on one job order. If you want to keep it, you do 4 job orders for 1 tire each. |
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I forget the model of the pickup truck version, I was a heavy wheel mechanic during the clinton era. Anywho, seeing a few of them lifted driving around on Hummer tires in IQ. I want one when I get home more permanently.
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I forget the model of the pickup truck version, I was a heavy wheel mechanic during the clinton era. Anywho, seeing a few of them lifted driving around on Hummer tires in IQ. I want one when I get home more permanently. 1008 with surplus HMMV tires... http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr136/efillc/military%20vehicles/huntingpics019.jpg Very Cool!!! Me likey!!! I'd like to have one like that too! From that pic and your avatar–– are you a military vehicle collector Bubbles? |
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We're not "collectors" per se since some people buy military vehicles to restore and show. Our trucks are used for daily driving and work.
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No experience with the military version. I bought an 82 K5 with a 6.2, 700r4 and automatic hubs.
I put about 120,000 miles on it. Easy miles. Never hot rodded, pulled an aluminum 16' boat/trailer with it to the lake or the river sometimes. The good....it never, ever got stuck, not in several feet of snow, not in the mud, not in the sand at the beach. I pulled cars, trucks, and other SUVs out of trouble anytime the weather was bad. It got good mileage. I could get 18 around town and 22 on the highway on a trip. The bad....two 700r4's rebuilt, 5 starters, U joints every couple of years, 3 exhaust systems, a set of injectors, 3 injector pumps rebuilt, one water pump (that one wasn't bad, any water pump that lasts 160,000 miles is okay by me), the automatic hubs (one of them) broke, 3 sets of batteries, two broken rocker arm shafts, one rebuilt rear end, a couple of sets of glow plugs and the sensor and relay for the glow plugs and one paint job. That thing wouldn't spin the rear tires on wet pavement but it would tear up the transmission, u-joints and rear end. To be a little more objective about it. The 700r4's (early ones anyway) were pieces of crap. Had GM correctly rebuilt it when it was under warranty it might not have broken the second time. The second time it was out of warranty so I paid for the rebuild and the guy at the shop pointed out the stuff GM should have replaced when they rebuilt it the first time. He put the heavier duty parts in it and I never had any more problems with it. GM took advantage of me again with the first broken rocker arm shaft. I knew when I got it back it still wasn't right (plus they'd soaked me for set of injectors telling me mine were "weak" and needed replacement) and the next time it broke that rocker arm shaft I fixied it myself. Amazing what a broken valve spring will do to batter the crap out of a rocker arm shaft. No more issues after I found and replaced the broken spring on the #6 cylinder exhaust vavle. I'll never have another diesel. The parts and maintenance repairs far outweighed the gas mileage increase. If I ever have another large SUV it'll be a gas engine. While the diesel may still be going strong at 180,000 miles (I've had gas engines with more miles on them) all the repairs and parts cost me enough to build and install a couple of gas engines. |
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Local shop in Orlando has about four Deuces and two CUCVs (one's a P/U and the other is a Blazer) eyeballing the Blazer for BOV duties. The guy's asking $4500 and I might just take him on it.
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I forget the model of the pickup truck version, I was a heavy wheel mechanic during the clinton era. Anywho, seeing a few of them lifted driving around on Hummer tires in IQ. I want one when I get home more permanently. 1008 with surplus HMMV tires... http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr136/efillc/military%20vehicles/huntingpics019.jpg We have a 1008 coming. Did you lift this? What size rim are you running? |
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I forget the model of the pickup truck version, I was a heavy wheel mechanic during the clinton era. Anywho, seeing a few of them lifted driving around on Hummer tires in IQ. I want one when I get home more permanently. 1008 with surplus HMMV tires... http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr136/efillc/military%20vehicles/huntingpics019.jpg We have a 1008 coming. Did you lift this? What size rim are you running? No lift, though a bit of the rear section of the front quarter panels was cut/ground out, as otherwise the tires would rub when the wheels are turned all the way. Offset rims. Contact Jim Henry (contact info above) for more info on the specs since he did the conversion. The 1009 is running the same tires, but it has a 6" lift so there's plenty of room for them. |
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What post you get from them can also have a lot to do with their condition.
I've watched a lot of auctions for them and a lot look like junk I bunch sold out of MO last year that were in very nice shape. They were from a reserve unit and were very well taken care of. I bought a Deuce instead, and made out very well. If a really nice one comes back up in MO then I'll probably snag it. |
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I dont have pics right now but my daily driver is a 1008 with a 4 inch and 36 inch hummer tires I love my truck but it is a little maint. heavy. It does not burn up any more parts than any OLD truck though. If you drive old iron you gotta work on it.
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What post you get from them can also have a lot to do with their condition. I've watched a lot of auctions for them and a lot look like junk I bunch sold out of MO last year that were in very nice shape. They were from a reserve unit and were very well taken care of. I bought a Deuce instead, and made out very well. If a really nice one comes back up in MO then I'll probably snag it. Shhh... MO actually lists the codition of their trucks (ie. needs new battery, needs jump start etc.). Don't need that fact getting around. I want one when I get back from contracting. Might just order one from a dealer but govliq would be the place to save a grand or 2. |
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I want a cucv.
Here's why. They got regular PMCS their whole life. They may have been dogged a bit but, knowing the rig received all regular PM means a great deal to me. I used to drive one when i worked at Ft Rich at the NCO Academy. It always started and always ran well. They are designed to dump fuel into out of any container. I recall Ramchargers, Broncos , and Blazers as CUCV's. I reckon the gov had to share the wealth. Another point is the fraud waste and abuse aspect. The military regularly throws away perfectly good gear. |
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So I looked at the truck today... Ran great, only thing that concerned me was a little oil under the driver's side floor mat. What could leak that would run down into the cabin on the driver's side?
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Quoted: No experience with the military version. I bought an 82 K5 with a 6.2, 700r4 and automatic hubs. I put about 120,000 miles on it. Easy miles. Never hot rodded, pulled an aluminum 16' boat/trailer with it to the lake or the river sometimes. The good....it never, ever got stuck, not in several feet of snow, not in the mud, not in the sand at the beach. I pulled cars, trucks, and other SUVs out of trouble anytime the weather was bad. It got good mileage. I could get 18 around town and 22 on the highway on a trip. The bad....two 700r4's rebuilt, 5 starters, U joints every couple of years, 3 exhaust systems, a set of injectors, 3 injector pumps rebuilt, one water pump (that one wasn't bad, any water pump that lasts 160,000 miles is okay by me), the automatic hubs (one of them) broke, 3 sets of batteries, two broken rocker arm shafts, one rebuilt rear end, a couple of sets of glow plugs and the sensor and relay for the glow plugs and one paint job. That thing wouldn't spin the rear tires on wet pavement but it would tear up the transmission, u-joints and rear end. To be a little more objective about it. The 700r4's (early ones anyway) were pieces of crap. Had GM correctly rebuilt it when it was under warranty it might not have broken the second time. The second time it was out of warranty so I paid for the rebuild and the guy at the shop pointed out the stuff GM should have replaced when they rebuilt it the first time. He put the heavier duty parts in it and I never had any more problems with it. GM took advantage of me again with the first broken rocker arm shaft. I knew when I got it back it still wasn't right (plus they'd soaked me for set of injectors telling me mine were "weak" and needed replacement) and the next time it broke that rocker arm shaft I fixied it myself. Amazing what a broken valve spring will do to batter the crap out of a rocker arm shaft. No more issues after I found and replaced the broken spring on the #6 cylinder exhaust vavle. I'll never have another diesel. The parts and maintenance repairs far outweighed the gas mileage increase. If I ever have another large SUV it'll be a gas engine. While the diesel may still be going strong at 180,000 miles (I've had gas engines with more miles on them) all the repairs and parts cost me enough to build and install a couple of gas engines. The M1009 has the TH400 transmission which is almost bulletproof... This is also the 6.2 "J" code, 1 ton motor in these... |
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