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Posted: 1/12/2014 5:18:30 AM EST
One of my 5R's will be stowed in my GHB/BOB for emergency use.  That way if my cell phone doesn't work for whatever reason I have a back-up means of communication either off of local repeaters or hams in the area (simplex).  

Now I'll have a rolled up j-pole in my bag but to use that while on the move I'd have to lash it to a stick and hold it up in the air.  I've seen another arf.comer who looks like he has one of the 16" antennas on his backpack HT.  Are those the best option for such a task?  Or is there something better I should look into?

Thanks

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 1/12/2014 6:12:17 AM EST
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Not sure of the model you are speaking or the particular ARFCOMer who had the set up, but I know I have been looking into building something similiar to a TCI M.A.S.T.(Modular Antenna System Tactical) for hiking.

Zach
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Scroll down and you'll see it.

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 1/12/2014 7:46:55 AM EST
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I read an antenna shootout for HT's a few weeks ago.  It used the UV-5R as the test HT and they put a plethora of antennas on the radio, then 2mi away used a watt meter to determine the signal strength for all the antennas used.  I can't find the link right now, but the end result was that the Baofeng antennas were absolute garbage.  There are 2 models of antenna you may get depending on the model of 5R that you purchased.  One of the Baofeng antennas was -10db down from the best HT antenna and the other was -8db down.  The standard Yaesu VX-8DR/7R antenna was actually pretty darn good, -4db down from the high performers.  The top performer in this review was the Diamond SRHF-40A.  I remember that because I purchased this antenna right after I read that review.

If I was looking to kit out my BOB/GHB I'd probably lean towards the Diamond.  It has a very unique whip design that is EXTREMELY flexible/bendable/moldable and would put the lest amount of stress on your HT's antenna connector.  Also, it feels like it would be a very durable antenna as well because of this design.  The only drawback is that you will need a SMA female /SMA female adapter to fit it onto a 5R due to the 5R's reverse (from the norm) antenna connector.  So with the price of the antenna, $27, plus the adapter, $3, plus tax or shipping...you are looking at more $$ in your antenna than your HT if you are using a 5R.  But that's not necessarily a bad thing .
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The top performer in this review was the Diamond SRHF-40A.   So with the price of the antenna, $27, plus the adapter, $3, plus tax or shipping.
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Any idea how the SRHF-40A compares to the SRJ77CA or the SRJF40?

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I read an antenna shootout for HT's a few weeks ago.  It used the UV-5R as the test HT and they put a plethora of antennas on the radio, then 2mi away used a watt meter to determine the signal strength for all the antennas used.  I can't find the link right now, but the end result was that the Baofeng antennas were absolute garbage.  There are 2 models of antenna you may get depending on the model of 5R that you purchased.  One of the Baofeng antennas was -10db down from the best HT antenna and the other was -8db down.  The standard Yaesu VX-8DR/7R antenna was actually pretty darn good, -4db down from the high performers.  The top performer in this review was the Diamond SRHF-40A.  I remember that because I purchased this antenna right after I read that review.

If I was looking to kit out my BOB/GHB I'd probably lean towards the Diamond.  It has a very unique whip design that is EXTREMELY flexible/bendable/moldable and would put the lest amount of stress on your HT's antenna connector.  Also, it feels like it would be a very durable antenna as well because of this design.  The only drawback is that you will need a SMA female /SMA female adapter to fit it onto a 5R due to the 5R's reverse (from the norm) antenna connector.  So with the price of the antenna, $27, plus the adapter, $3, plus tax or shipping...you are looking at more $$ in your antenna than your HT if you are using a 5R.  But that's not necessarily a bad thing .
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I'd be curious to know how the Nagoyas tested since they are only $7-$8.  

Thanks

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 1/12/2014 8:27:37 AM EST
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I'd be curious to know how the Nagoyas tested since they are only $7-$8.  

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I read an antenna shootout for HT's a few weeks ago.  It used the UV-5R as the test HT and they put a plethora of antennas on the radio, then 2mi away used a watt meter to determine the signal strength for all the antennas used.  I can't find the link right now, but the end result was that the Baofeng antennas were absolute garbage.  There are 2 models of antenna you may get depending on the model of 5R that you purchased.  One of the Baofeng antennas was -10db down from the best HT antenna and the other was -8db down.  The standard Yaesu VX-8DR/7R antenna was actually pretty darn good, -4db down from the high performers.  The top performer in this review was the Diamond SRHF-40A.  I remember that because I purchased this antenna right after I read that review.

If I was looking to kit out my BOB/GHB I'd probably lean towards the Diamond.  It has a very unique whip design that is EXTREMELY flexible/bendable/moldable and would put the lest amount of stress on your HT's antenna connector.  Also, it feels like it would be a very durable antenna as well because of this design.  The only drawback is that you will need a SMA female /SMA female adapter to fit it onto a 5R due to the 5R's reverse (from the norm) antenna connector.  So with the price of the antenna, $27, plus the adapter, $3, plus tax or shipping...you are looking at more $$ in your antenna than your HT if you are using a 5R.  But that's not necessarily a bad thing .


I'd be curious to know how the Nagoyas tested since they are only $7-$8.  

Thanks

-Emt1581


Sorry, I don't remember...
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It looks like the SMA female version of the SRHF40 is the SRJF40.

http://www.diamondantenna.net/Product_Catalog/HT.html

The best-performing 2m antenna I know of is the Smiley Halfwave.  Not for use on the go though.

http://www.smileyantenna.com/collections/2-meter/products/halfwave-2-meter
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What kind of range do you get with both of those?

Thanks

-Emt1581
Link Posted: 1/12/2014 11:53:43 AM EST
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You could try the Diamond SRJ77CA it works on the UV-5R+ that I have.  I also use a Pryme SPM-2101 Heavy Duty Water Resistant Remote Microphone (I had no idea of the size of this thing when I ordered it) it's sometimes called "The Trooper Mic".  I have smaller remote mics for regular use but this one works best when on a pack. I throw my HTs in a HSGI smoke grenade pouch.
Its not really a GHB just a pack for heading out in the woods. No matter what volume adjusting and channel changing suck when the radio is in a pouch on your back.


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What kind of range do you get with both of those?

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Range would be a relative term for what we are talking about...  
For that 14" whip: I would say transmit and receive for some long distance repeaters is about 15~25% better vs the stock duck...  Where in my house with the stock antenna and HT I "can't" really get into the main repeater hub of our linked system (the one that has generator backup) but I can get into it some what with that 14" whip on my wouxun HT...  Not usually a problem as there is a linked repeater much closer to my QTH that I can get into full quieting with my HT from anywhere in my house, but that repeater has no backup power...

With the roll up J-pole I am into that same farther away hub without much issue other then some noise with my signal.  I would wager to say, using a roll up J-pole will get you 50% better then stock duck...  But also keep in mind, those percentages don't directly correlate to "using a J-pole gets me 50% farther" as it is more of a sliding scale...  Like every time you double the power your signal is increased by one S unit...

So if a station is reading my 2x2 and I double my power from 5 watts to 10 watts I am now only into that other station maybe 3x3...  double it to 20 watts and now I might be 5x4 if lucky....  double power doesn't get you double distance in fact running simplex tests while mobile with other local fixed stations I find that I get very little extra distance going from 25 watts to 55 watts. (mountainous terrain)

I hope my post makes sense and is helpful?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RST_code

http://www.hamuniverse.com/rst.html



the "R" would be your interpretation of the signal...  The S would be what your radio is receiving strength wise... T is for CW (Morse code) or digital contacts.
Link Posted: 1/12/2014 2:08:22 PM EST
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I understand what you are saying and thanks for that explanation.  From what you are saying and from what I've read others say it seems like a 14-16" Nagoya wouldn't really be worth it.  I mean for how cheap it is, I might try out the 16" one.  However, it sounds like the real boost is going to come from the 1/4 wave in the car and the j-pole at home.  

Thanks again for the info!

-Emt1581
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I understand what you are saying and thanks for that explanation.  From what you are saying and from what I've read others say it seems like a 14-16" Nagoya wouldn't really be worth it.  I mean for how cheap it is, I might try out the 16" one.  However, it sounds like the real boost is going to come from the 1/4 wave in the car and the j-pole at home.  
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This article is relevant to your interests:

http://www.ked-wireless.com/documents/High%20Efficiency%20Antennas%20for%20HT's%20-%20QEX.pdf
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I understand what you are saying and thanks for that explanation.  From what you are saying and from what I've read others say it seems like a 14-16" Nagoya wouldn't really be worth it.  I mean for how cheap it is, I might try out the 16" one.  However, it sounds like the real boost is going to come from the 1/4 wave in the car and the j-pole at home.  

This article is relevant to your interests:

http://www.ked-wireless.com/documents/High%20Efficiency%20Antennas%20for%20HT's%20-%20QEX.pdf


Thanks for that link.  It'll make for some good reading for me tonight.
Link Posted: 1/12/2014 4:08:28 PM EST
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i thimk mine is a Comet SMA24
wonderully flexible  
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I looked those up.  They definitely seem flexible.  Hell, the pics show them looped into a knot!  So I guess you could loosely loop them around the radio (detached) to save space.  

I watched Behind Enemy Lines this afternoon and if I could find an HT/antenna like that guy had, I'd love to have it!! It wraps around the radio and snaps in place.  But I'm guessing the radio of a fighter pilot is going to cost a pretty penny!

Thanks!

-Emt1581
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I looked those up.  They definitely seem flexible.  Hell, the pics show them looped into a knot!  So I guess you could loosely loop them around the radio (detached) to save space.  

I watched Behind Enemy Lines this afternoon and if I could find an HT/antenna like that guy had, I'd love to have it!! It wraps around the radio and snaps in place.  But I'm guessing the radio of a fighter pilot is going to cost a pretty penny!

Thanks!

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I looked those up.  They definitely seem flexible.  Hell, the pics show them looped into a knot!  So I guess you could loosely loop them around the radio (detached) to save space.  

I watched Behind Enemy Lines this afternoon and if I could find an HT/antenna like that guy had, I'd love to have it!! It wraps around the radio and snaps in place.  But I'm guessing the radio of a fighter pilot is going to cost a pretty penny!

Thanks!

-Emt1581


PRC-112.
Link Posted: 1/14/2014 8:11:35 AM EST
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Some pictures to follow up with my post:

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That's my EDC bag and while the radio isn't always in the pouch the pouch always stays on the bag...  Sometimes I opt for my uv5ra on my belt, but if I am headed out and plan on using a radio while bag is on my back, or some type of EMCOM situation I put the Wouxun in there with the longer antenna.
Baofeng uv5ra has a NA-701 and the Wouxun Uvd1p has an Expert 14.5".

I posted some other pics and links here:http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/671332_.html&page=2&anc=11480161#i11480161
Link Posted: 1/14/2014 8:52:41 AM EST
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Nice pics there Derrick.  Thanks for posting!

Seems like going with the 14-16" models would be the best way to go but they just seem so marginal compared to what you get with j-poles and vehicle mounted antennas.  I'm really teetering whether to get one or not.

On a related note, neither our fire/ems rigs nor our portables EVER have any issues with reception even though we could be 15miles from a repeater and in varying terrains.  The portables are kenwoods but they just have 8" antennas on them.  Nothing fancy.  Are they significantly more powerful than the Baofengs?  If so, is THAT a huge factor in reception and transmission distance capabilities??

Thanks

-Emt1581
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Yeah, my google-fu was strong a few days ago and I found it.  It didn't seem like they were used anymore though.  I wonder what is in their survival kits nowadays??

-Emt1581
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Nice pics there Derrick.  Thanks for posting!

Seems like going with the 14-16" models would be the best way to go but they just seem so marginal compared to what you get with j-poles and vehicle mounted antennas.  I'm really teetering whether to get one or not.

On a related note, neither our fire/ems rigs nor our portables EVER have any issues with reception even though we could be 15miles from a repeater and in varying terrains.  The portables are kenwoods but they just have 8" antennas on them.  Nothing fancy.  Are they significantly more powerful than the Baofengs?  If so, is THAT a huge factor in reception and transmission distance capabilities??

Thanks

-Emt1581
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Almost all HT or handhelds are 4~5 watts...  Some might be 6...  Your public safety repeaters or receivers or transmitters are probably in very good locations both geography and elevation wise to cover your service area...  In the Adirondacks with mountains/ elevation ranges our Fire/ Police/ EMS have difficulties with their HTs all the time.  Many of patrol cars have in car repeaters...
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Almost all HT or handhelds are 4~5 watts...  Some might be 6...  Your public safety repeaters or receivers or transmitters are probably in very good locations both geography and elevation wise to cover your service area...  In the Adirondacks with mountains/ elevation ranges our Fire/ Police/ EMS have difficulties with their HTs all the time.  Many of patrol cars have in car repeaters...
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Exactly.  My FT60 easily does nearly 20 miles to a well placed 2m repeater with an HT antenna @ 5W from inside the house (house is all window on repeater side) - It will also make the same trip from the base antenna on low power.
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The top performer in this review was the Diamond SRHF-40A.   So with the price of the antenna, $27, plus the adapter, $3, plus tax or shipping.

Any idea how the SRHF-40A compares to the SRJ77CA or the SRJF40?



What about the Diamond SRH320A?  That's what i have on my Yaesu VX-8DR
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:58:44 PM EST
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I'm looking for an antenna to use on my PC with my kenwood TH f6a.  Anyone have an idea for something to get the antenna up on the PC over my shoulder a bit?
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:07:58 PM EST
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Would this work with a Yaesu vx7 or kenwood thf6a?  Mast antenna
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Tag for ideas. I take it those half wave antennas are just single band?

I bought the adapter to turn my wouxun from sma to bnc. I highly recommend doing that.
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Yes.  They are very effective, but you wouldn't want to use one on the move, because they can put a lot of stress on the connector.
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Yes.  They are very effective, but you wouldn't want to use one on the move, because they can put a lot of stress on the connector.
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Yes.  They are very effective, but you wouldn't want to use one on the move, because they can put a lot of stress on the connector.


yup

best way is to have some coax between:   SMA----coax----BNC

that way there is some flex
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:31:00 AM EST
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some things to remember in this conversation are: All Movies are Fake and All Antennas are a Compromise......  

That said I bought a super-flexible antenna for my Wouxun back in Shelby last year.  It's 'dual-band' and does increase the signal a bit.  It also seems to have a REEST (Radar Enhanced Eyeball Seeking Tip) on then end of it.  

These types of threads remind me of the importance and convenience of the 'shoulder-mic'.  Like pictured above, the radio holster can ride on the pack and the mic can extend over/under the shoulder and clip on the lapel/strap for ease of use (same could be said for a PC set-up as well if one were so inclined).

also, as mentioned above, the "coax Pig-tail" is a MUST in regards to these radios and the SMA connection. they really need the stress relief to extend the life of the unit.

as to J-poles....funny...I spent $63 on a 40' coax run for my $26 Fong/PVC 220 Antenna to operate from an $89 Wouxun 2m/220 with a $7 shoulder mic as a 'base station'  that said, I'd like to find a nice replacement HT antenna that'll do 2m/220

SCW
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some things to remember in this conversation are: All Movies are Fake and All Antennas are a Compromise......  

That said I bought a super-flexible antenna for my Wouxun back in Shelby last year.  It's 'dual-band' and does increase the signal a bit.  It also seems to have a REEST (Radar Enhanced Eyeball Seeking Tip) on then end of it.  

These types of threads remind me of the importance and convenience of the 'shoulder-mic'.  Like pictured above, the radio holster can ride on the pack and the mic can extend over/under the shoulder and clip on the lapel/strap for ease of use (same could be said for a PC set-up as well if one were so inclined).

also, as mentioned above, the "coax Pig-tail" is a MUST in regards to these radios and the SMA connection. they really need the stress relief to extend the life of the unit.

as to J-poles....funny...I spent $63 on a 40' coax run for my $26 Fong/PVC 220 Antenna to operate from an $89 Wouxun 2m/220 with a $7 shoulder mic as a 'base station'  that said, I'd like to find a nice replacement HT antenna that'll do 2m/220

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Funny you should mention the pigtail...

On BOTH my 1/4 wave vehicle antenna and my J-pole, both the coax on the antennas and the coax on the pigtail is the exact same thickness and flexibility...so while the UHF to SMA conversion lets me use the UHF on a mobile...I don't see the "pigtail is less stressful on the SMA jack" as a valid argument.  I just don't see how it is.

-Emt1581
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Funny you should mention the pigtail...

On BOTH my 1/4 wave vehicle antenna and my J-pole, both the coax on the antennas and the coax on the pigtail is the exact same thickness and flexibility...so while the UHF to SMA conversion lets me use the UHF on a mobile...I don't see the "pigtail is less stressful on the SMA jack" as a valid argument.  I just don't see how it is.

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some things to remember in this conversation are: All Movies are Fake and All Antennas are a Compromise......  

That said I bought a super-flexible antenna for my Wouxun back in Shelby last year.  It's 'dual-band' and does increase the signal a bit.  It also seems to have a REEST (Radar Enhanced Eyeball Seeking Tip) on then end of it.  

These types of threads remind me of the importance and convenience of the 'shoulder-mic'.  Like pictured above, the radio holster can ride on the pack and the mic can extend over/under the shoulder and clip on the lapel/strap for ease of use (same could be said for a PC set-up as well if one were so inclined).

also, as mentioned above, the "coax Pig-tail" is a MUST in regards to these radios and the SMA connection. they really need the stress relief to extend the life of the unit.

as to J-poles....funny...I spent $63 on a 40' coax run for my $26 Fong/PVC 220 Antenna to operate from an $89 Wouxun 2m/220 with a $7 shoulder mic as a 'base station'  that said, I'd like to find a nice replacement HT antenna that'll do 2m/220

SCW


Funny you should mention the pigtail...

On BOTH my 1/4 wave vehicle antenna and my J-pole, both the coax on the antennas and the coax on the pigtail is the exact same thickness and flexibility...so while the UHF to SMA conversion lets me use the UHF on a mobile...I don't see the "pigtail is less stressful on the SMA jack" as a valid argument.  I just don't see how it is.

-Emt1581


the pigtail is supposed to be a very thin coax -



if it's regular thickness (RG-8/RG-58 etc) you'll put the same stresses on the antenna connector
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That's the thing...all three are the same.  Now I'm not sure if some use the same thickness as say a cable tv coax...but all three of these are about half or 1/3 of that thickness.

-Emt1581
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That's the thing...all three are the same.  Now I'm not sure if some use the same thickness as say a cable tv coax...but all three of these are about half or 1/3 of that thickness.

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That's the thing...all three are the same.  Now I'm not sure if some use the same thickness as say a cable tv coax...but all three of these are about half or 1/3 of that thickness.

-Emt1581


yep that's no good - that's probably rg8x and will put a bit of strain on the connector

not as much as the antenna but enough to damage it.
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all of mine look like this:





Pretty sure the ones linked around here in the past were the same ones...
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