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Posted: 2/16/2015 11:54:48 PM EST
Seems it would be a nice band to use SSB
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Very few radios have 2m SSB capability, most Techs don't want to spend the money on a SSB capable radio, and then when they upgrade to General, the appeal of DX keeps most people on the HF bands.
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I have just never thought about it. There are numerous other aspects of the hobby that have kept my attention, and I've just never ventured there. Your post made me open up the Google machine, and I found that there are 2M SSB nets in my area.
http://www.pnwvhfs.org/nets.html I may have to investigate further... |
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I have, but nothing serious. There's another ham a few miles from me and we've used 2m SSB (and AM) at about 2.5 watts I was using my Arrow satellite antenna and even at that low power, I could keep the antenna pointed the wrong way and still be S9+10.
The other issue is SSB polarization is 90º off of FM, so it either requires a dedicated antenna or a -20dB hit. |
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I have, but nothing serious. There's another ham a few miles from me and we've used 2m SSB (and AM) at about 2.5 watts I was using my Arrow satellite antenna and even at that low power, I could keep the antenna pointed the wrong way and still be S9+10. The other issue is SSB polarization is 90º off of FM, so it either requires a dedicated antenna or a -20dB hit. View Quote Huh, wut? I use the same Arrow dual band for SSB that I use for FM and have never had a problem. I've always been taught that polarization is determined by antenna configuration, not mode. |
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I'd love to, but it's all about the lack of funds and avail equipment.
ex: hard to consider spending for a 30 y/o single band all mode 2m rig what I could buy a nice used ALL-Band HF rig. |
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I have, but nothing serious. There's another ham a few miles from me and we've used 2m SSB (and AM) at about 2.5 watts I was using my Arrow satellite antenna and even at that low power, I could keep the antenna pointed the wrong way and still be S9+10. The other issue is SSB polarization is 90º off of FM, so it either requires a dedicated antenna or a -20dB hit. View Quote Or just give up FM altogether and use a horizontal antenna. While driving around in my job, I hardly ever hear anybody on 2M FM anymore... |
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I'd love to, but it's all about the lack of funds and avail equipment. ex: hard to consider spending for a 30 y/o single band all mode 2m rig what I could buy a nice used ALL-Band HF rig. View Quote There are a multitude of NEW rigs that also cover 6M, 2M and 432 in addition to HF...Yaesu FT-817/857/897, etc. |
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The thing about antenna polarization is that everyone in the QSO needs to have the same polarization to maximize your signal.
Serious VHF/UHF people use horizontal polarization. So, if you want to work them, you need to do the same. If its just you and your buddies, it doesn't matter as long as you are all the same. Since I know someone will bring this up: no this isn't an issue on HF sky wave signals. FM uses primarily vertical polarization because mobile and portable (rubber ducks) are vertical. |
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There are a multitude of NEW rigs that also cover 6M, 2M and 432 in addition to HF...Yaesu FT-817/857/897, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'd love to, but it's all about the lack of funds and avail equipment. ex: hard to consider spending for a 30 y/o single band all mode 2m rig what I could buy a nice used ALL-Band HF rig. There are a multitude of NEW rigs that also cover 6M, 2M and 432 in addition to HF...Yaesu FT-817/857/897, etc. Yep, and all those are out of budget as well. Unfortunately it appears the shack in a box killed the single band SSB rigs |
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2 and 6m ssb was popular in the 1990's with the no-code techs who couldn't get on 10meters
they used horizontal yagi's and did some amazing things I never got into it...mostly because I didn't have the money back then, but I know guys who did, and they seemed to have a lot of fun with it |
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There are a multitude of NEW rigs that also cover 6M, 2M and 432 in addition to HF...Yaesu FT-817/857/897, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'd love to, but it's all about the lack of funds and avail equipment. ex: hard to consider spending for a 30 y/o single band all mode 2m rig what I could buy a nice used ALL-Band HF rig. There are a multitude of NEW rigs that also cover 6M, 2M and 432 in addition to HF...Yaesu FT-817/857/897, etc. Yep and even Transverters |
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Large linked repeater networks have provided the modernized more reliable replacement for 2M SSB use.
I haven't done it yet because I live within mili-watt range of the repeaters in the area. Though having the capability is important to me because it would be a logical migration in the event where the repeater networks go down. The VHF propagation maps display frequent jumps range beyond even the next state over boarders. It would be a major contender in massive crisis regional communications. But realistically if I had someone that I needed to communicate with just beyond the reach of the local repeater networks my first attempt would be with horizontal yagis on 2M SSB. |
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I know of several guys that use an egg beater antenna both for fm and ssb work. Granted you give up some gain for repeater work, but given the sensitivity of a good repeater system it will be no problem.
Plus the egg beater gives you the opportunity to work satellites if you wish. Most guys that are using simplex locally like FM since it is quieter. Contest and band openings you will draw out the SSB guys. Oh and there is an old wives tale that VHF contest causes band opening. http://m2inc.com/index.php?ax=amateur&pg=181 |
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Upper Midwest 2M SSB blog and nets
http://kc9bqa.com/ |
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Five of my radios can do SSB on VHF/UHF. I've tried calling CQ and listening but never heard anyone. None of my local buddies have SSB capable VHF radios.
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144.489 calling CQ on JT65 with a vertical antenna. Will see what happens.
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Made many contacts 2 ssb tropo and aurora using terrible, cheap looking homemade yagi using 8' 2x2 stud and welding rod. Worked very well.
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Build a full size Yagi and aim it at the moon. SSB is needed for EME and other Sat work. Vhf/UHF sized antennas are a lot more reasonable in size than HF Yagi.
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Played the 2m DX game for a while. Gave up on it.
Biggest issue is that there isn't a lot of players in my area. Equipment seems to be the thing. Not enough want to first, get a rig that will do 2m and up SSB then second, have a dedicated antenna. There are a few shack-in-a-box rigs that can do the mode. Most stop at 6m. FM antennas traditionally is vertical polarization while SSB is traditionally horizontal. Giving up the 20db is just not an option if you're serious about it. Then there is the propagation. If you think trying to figure out 6m propagation is an exercise in frustration then 2m takes it to another level. When it's on it's on but when do you know it's on? Granted one of my most satisfying QSOs was one over a 500 mile plus range across the Gulf of Mexico during a tropo ducting opening. Those kind of log entries are rare. On the list of things to do is get my SSB capable rig back in the shack and have just a 2m dipole in horizontal polarity for semi-local simplex contacts of 50 to 70 miles and in. Shame though. Once you've done 2m SSB you really don't want to do 2m FM anymore. Wish more would have it in their radio toolkit. |
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---- Snip---- Once you've done 2m SSB you really don't want to do 2m FM anymore. Wish more would have it in their radio toolkit. Amen Yep, I hear that! Not much weak signal activity above 6M around here except during VHF contests, and even then you work someone on 6M and they ask if you have other bands and go to 2M or higher. Occasionally you'll hear someone on 2M calling out of the blue. It's a niche part of the hobby, but a good one in my opinion. From what I've read it used to be more popular all over. I'm on 2M SSB and CW, and putting up a 2M Yagi this Spring just like Mr_Harry has, and also for 70cm. |
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It's fun, and challenging. We have a weekly 2m "weak signal" net locally where we all hop on 2m SSB. Some guys check in from neighboring communities, getting some diffraction over local mountain ranges.
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View Quote Cool, Thanks for that. |
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It's fun, and challenging. We have a weekly 2m "weak signal" net locally where we all hop on 2m SSB. Some guys check in from neighboring communities, getting some diffraction over local mountain ranges. View Quote I have checked into that net a few times using an MFJ "Adventure Radio". |
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Five of my radios can do SSB on VHF/UHF. I've tried calling CQ and listening but never heard anyone. None of my local buddies have SSB capable VHF radios. Where are you calling? 144.200 if I remember correctly. It's been a while. I have a 5 element Cushcraft Yagi at 85 ft. I thought about mounting it horizontally polarized but decided that I'd be better off with vertical polarization for FM repeater and FM simplex. I can reach about 30 repeaters and talk on FM simplex to stations 80 miles away with that antenna. |
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Meteor scatter is one that isn't in my toolbox. It should be. I frequently see spots on 6m using MS when the band is dead. Expanding to 2m would be easy.
How about a thread on meteor scatter for dummies? Better title would be "Meteor Scatter for No Code Extras". |
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I worked a bunch of 2m & 6m SSB back in the early 90's when I was first licensed. For 2m SSB I used a Kenwood TS-711A at my home and a TR-251A mobile in my car. I also used a 13 element beam and 200 watt brick amps. When running 2m SSB from the car I was able to make 100 mile+ contacts. I liked activating grid squares for guys needing them. It was a lot of fun back then, but sadly I don't see myself ever doing it again. It seems that 2m SSB locally is still active, but mostly during some kind of contest or event. Below were my favorite 2m SSB rigs. http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hammulti/ts711aL.jpg http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hammulti/tr751aL.jpg View Quote I cut my teeth on a TS-700 and then stepped up to a 746Pro. If anyone was serious about trying to 2m SSB or digital modes other than APRS I would recommend either the ICOM 746Pro or Yaesu FT-847 they both have excellent receivers. Yes there are other newer rigs to choose from but when you consider receive quality per dollar invested you can't beat either one. If I was to do it over again I would have chosen the 847 over the 746 because of external interface options, UHF trx, and satellite op ability. |
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Well since most 2 meter SSB ops use horizontal that is part of the problem. There is tons of activity along the east coast, it is a lot of fun. Even better is doing Meteor Scatter using WSJT. Even a small yagi and 50 watts can net you some nice contacts out to about 1000 miles. No metor shower is needed. Morning and evening times are perfect for random meteors. I am willing to help anyone trying to get on 2 meter and meteor scatter. Just shoot me a PM and we can talk by email, phone, whatever works best. It is more fun then most people can possibly Imagine. Can be a little tough at times. Most morning along the coast there is a pipe line from SC to CT. I can talk to guys in CT with 5 watts and the antenna 15 feet off the ground. Here are my 2 meter contacts, keep in mind this is SSB and Meteor scatter. http://www.qsl.net/n6dlh/images/2%20meter%20contacts.jpg Furthest contacts under flat conditions is 350 miles. Furthest 2 on SSB was Fort Wayne IN, and southern Florida. One was Sporatic E's, the other was either E's or a short tropo opening. Best one on Meteor Scatter was 994 miles to Dry Tortuga's in the Florida keys during the K4N grid expedition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Five of my radios can do SSB on VHF/UHF. I've tried calling CQ and listening but never heard anyone. None of my local buddies have SSB capable VHF radios. Where are you calling? 144.200 if I remember correctly. It's been a while. I have a 5 element Cushcraft Yagi at 85 ft. I thought about mounting it horizontally polarized but decided that I'd be better off with vertical polarization for FM repeater and FM simplex. I can reach about 30 repeaters and talk on FM simplex to stations 80 miles away with that antenna. Well since most 2 meter SSB ops use horizontal that is part of the problem. There is tons of activity along the east coast, it is a lot of fun. Even better is doing Meteor Scatter using WSJT. Even a small yagi and 50 watts can net you some nice contacts out to about 1000 miles. No metor shower is needed. Morning and evening times are perfect for random meteors. I am willing to help anyone trying to get on 2 meter and meteor scatter. Just shoot me a PM and we can talk by email, phone, whatever works best. It is more fun then most people can possibly Imagine. Can be a little tough at times. Most morning along the coast there is a pipe line from SC to CT. I can talk to guys in CT with 5 watts and the antenna 15 feet off the ground. Here are my 2 meter contacts, keep in mind this is SSB and Meteor scatter. http://www.qsl.net/n6dlh/images/2%20meter%20contacts.jpg Furthest contacts under flat conditions is 350 miles. Furthest 2 on SSB was Fort Wayne IN, and southern Florida. One was Sporatic E's, the other was either E's or a short tropo opening. Best one on Meteor Scatter was 994 miles to Dry Tortuga's in the Florida keys during the K4N grid expedition. I may climb up the tower and switch the antenna to horizontal polarization. I got another 70 ft. Rohn 25 tower with a Hazer and a Yaesu rotator. The plan was to install it and mount a 5 el. 6 meter beam along with a 13 el. horizontally polarized 2 meter beam. It will be a while though. You know, I've been a ham for over 25 years but never once talked to anyone on 2 meters SSB. I've worked most DX entities on HF but just never got interested in VHF/UHF. Maybe it's because VHF/UHF was not available when I got into ham radio. |
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Meteor scatter is one that isn't in my toolbox. It should be. I frequently see spots on 6m using MS when the band is dead. Expanding to 2m would be easy. How about a thread on meteor scatter for dummies? Better title would be "Meteor Scatter for No Code Extras". View Quote Hank If you are setup for Digi Modes and have a 6 meter beam, you are almost there. I would be happy to setup a thread and walk people through it. It is a very amazing mode to work. |
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I may climb up the tower and switch the antenna to horizontal polarization. I got another 70 ft. Rohn 25 tower with a Hazer and a Yaesu rotator. The plan was to install it and mount a 5 el. 6 meter beam along with a 13 el. horizontally polarized 2 meter beam. It will be a while though. You know, I've been a ham for over 25 years but never once talked to anyone on 2 meters SSB. I've worked most DX entities on HF but just never got interested in VHF/UHF. Maybe it's because VHF/UHF was not available when I got into ham radio. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Five of my radios can do SSB on VHF/UHF. I've tried calling CQ and listening but never heard anyone. None of my local buddies have SSB capable VHF radios. Where are you calling? 144.200 if I remember correctly. It's been a while. I have a 5 element Cushcraft Yagi at 85 ft. I thought about mounting it horizontally polarized but decided that I'd be better off with vertical polarization for FM repeater and FM simplex. I can reach about 30 repeaters and talk on FM simplex to stations 80 miles away with that antenna. Well since most 2 meter SSB ops use horizontal that is part of the problem. There is tons of activity along the east coast, it is a lot of fun. Even better is doing Meteor Scatter using WSJT. Even a small yagi and 50 watts can net you some nice contacts out to about 1000 miles. No metor shower is needed. Morning and evening times are perfect for random meteors. I am willing to help anyone trying to get on 2 meter and meteor scatter. Just shoot me a PM and we can talk by email, phone, whatever works best. It is more fun then most people can possibly Imagine. Can be a little tough at times. Most morning along the coast there is a pipe line from SC to CT. I can talk to guys in CT with 5 watts and the antenna 15 feet off the ground. Here are my 2 meter contacts, keep in mind this is SSB and Meteor scatter. http://www.qsl.net/n6dlh/images/2%20meter%20contacts.jpg Furthest contacts under flat conditions is 350 miles. Furthest 2 on SSB was Fort Wayne IN, and southern Florida. One was Sporatic E's, the other was either E's or a short tropo opening. Best one on Meteor Scatter was 994 miles to Dry Tortuga's in the Florida keys during the K4N grid expedition. I may climb up the tower and switch the antenna to horizontal polarization. I got another 70 ft. Rohn 25 tower with a Hazer and a Yaesu rotator. The plan was to install it and mount a 5 el. 6 meter beam along with a 13 el. horizontally polarized 2 meter beam. It will be a while though. You know, I've been a ham for over 25 years but never once talked to anyone on 2 meters SSB. I've worked most DX entities on HF but just never got interested in VHF/UHF. Maybe it's because VHF/UHF was not available when I got into ham radio. I would do it, when there is no propagation or nobody on, meteor scatter can be used. Like hank said I will be working on getting a meteor scatter thread going. |
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Is that the real stanprophet or was he hacked? good to see you View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes It be me, good to see everyone on here. Hopefully I can drum up some more people on 2 meter and some meteor scatter! |
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Here are some good book marks to use for 2 meter side band operations
http://aprs.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/ This one uses APRS data to try and map Tropo and E skip openings, keep in mind it is not fool proof, but it is a decent tool to use. http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html This one uses weather charts to try and predict Tropo openings, and a good to keep en eye out for favorable conditions. http://www.on4kst.com/chat/start.php This one is the bread and butter! It is a live chat room that you can register for and in real time try and make contacts. Early mornings on the east coast there will be a ton of operators on around, especially the 205 group. Great people and they will also try and help other operators get proficient. |
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Hank If you are setup for Digi Modes and have a 6 meter beam, you are almost there. I would be happy to setup a thread and walk people through it. It is a very amazing mode to work. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Meteor scatter is one that isn't in my toolbox. It should be. I frequently see spots on 6m using MS when the band is dead. Expanding to 2m would be easy. How about a thread on meteor scatter for dummies? Better title would be "Meteor Scatter for No Code Extras". Hank If you are setup for Digi Modes and have a 6 meter beam, you are almost there. I would be happy to setup a thread and walk people through it. It is a very amazing mode to work. Interested in the software and how the mode works. Is it similar to the JT modes where it's 50 seconds of transmit, 10 seconds for his decode, 50 seconds of receive, then 10 seconds of my decode? Or something completely different. |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_22/679697_Meteor_Scatter_101_Thread.html Just for you!
The moxon is a great antenna, and will work wonders. Yes You are so close to running MS it is crazy. Wish the weather was better, you are in the right range to make a contact! See the above tread and read up. Download WSJT 10, it is similar to WSJT x, but contains the Meteor Scatter modes in it. Set it up the same and we will get you up and running. |
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Stanprophet09,
I did not want to ask this in your "Meteor Scatter" tread. Do you run CW or Voice with meteor scatter or is it digital only? I'm trying to get excited but I hate running digital modes. Like I mentioned previously, my experience with VHF is limited to local FM comms only. Assuming you do use CW or SSB Voice, don't you bet bored waiting for hours for an opening to have a short QSO? |
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Quoted: I worked a bunch of 2m & 6m SSB back in the early 90's when I was first licensed. For 2m SSB I used a Kenwood TS-711A at my home and a TR-251A mobile in my car. I also used a 13 element beam and 200 watt brick amps. When running 2m SSB from the car I was able to make 100 mile+ contacts. I liked activating grid squares for guys needing them. It was a lot of fun back then, but sadly I don't see myself ever doing it again. It seems that 2m SSB locally is still active, but mostly during some kind of contest or event. Below were my favorite 2m SSB rigs. http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hammulti/ts711aL.jpg http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hammulti/tr751aL.jpg View Quote Nice. I have a 711A and an 811A for all mode 440. |
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Stanprophet09, I did not want to ask this in your "Meteor Scatter" tread. Do you run CW or Voice with meteor scatter or is it digital only? I'm trying to get excited but I hate running digital modes. Like I mentioned previously, my experience with VHF is limited to local FM comms only. Assuming you do use CW or SSB Voice, don't you bet bored waiting for hours for an opening to have a short QSO? View Quote You can run any of the 3, CW and voice being the hardest. I almost completed a SSB contact with a VA3 Ham one morning. I was calling CQ north on 144.205 when I let up the mike, the it sounded like a DX pileup, 9 land, 8 land, canada. I guess the meteor was long enough they heard me calling for about 20 seconds, and I got almost the whole call and then nothing. The ON4 chat page was loaded full of people that head me out close to 1000 miles. I was not trying to work meteor scatter, was just a random meteor. |
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