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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:22:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Funny how those who tried to make a distinction were told they were full of shit. 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:35:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Funny how those who tried to make a distinction were told they were full of shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By RSG:
Funny how those who tried to make a distinction were told they were full of shit. But, but, muh peer review!!! 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:46:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Funny how those who tried to make a distinction were told they were full of shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Funny how those who tried to make a distinction were told they were full of shit. Originally Posted By planemaker: But, but, muh peer review!!! Also funny how when the truth smacks them upside the head they double down on stupid somewhere else but won't comment on the real issue pointed out. They just go silent and don't respond...because they can't answer. 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 12:17:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
I get a "mysterious cough" for a week, figuring once I feel better I'll update the big post. Before I get healthy, we'll end up on post Version 3, the goalposts are moving just that fast again 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 12:29:58 AM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:14:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:34:17 AM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:47:00 AM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:48:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Need to prep the narrative for "it's all okay now" for the 2022 mid-term elections. In 11 months people will be mailing in a fake ballot and they need enough to think the dims are OK again that the cheating won't be as obvious. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Originally Posted By RSG:
They need high enough approval ratings to make the manipulated vote numbers look plausible. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:50:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Since when did 'really hopeful' become a scientific qualification? Or are we not following THE SCIENCETM anymore? |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:12:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: They need high enough approval ratings to make the manipulated vote numbers look plausible. They will stop testing so much right around campaign wind up, probably July. Classic break your leg and demand praise for giving you a crutch. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:30:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: martin248]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Since when did 'really hopeful' become a scientific qualification? Or are we not following THE SCIENCETM anymore? Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not, it's effective today. Everything about this pandemic is about buying time. Time gives us more treatment options and apparently a milder disease, if our luck with omicron being milder holds up. I think the government is being forced to accept the reality that COVID can't be stopped and that the real mission is to transition to a population with sufficient resistance to avoid severe disease, and to do that with the minimum amount of deaths and serious complications balanced with the minimum disruption to the economy and balanced with a need to keep hospitals open for people with other health issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 2:30:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not...snip to see below.... issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Since when did 'really hopeful' become a scientific qualification? Or are we not following THE SCIENCETM anymore? Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not...snip to see below.... issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. This is the only reason many got the jab, was to return to normal. Look how that turned out, are Shitshow schools open today..yes or no question?.  ...they had "BREAK THROUGH" cases where they had to start reporting on it in July. I will not argue that it might have helped in the beginning but your defeat line is pure BS.Yeah like treating people the day they get sick instead of a note...call us if you can't breath. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 2:34:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Do you realize the irony of posting this last sentence in a post about moving the goal posts? Vaccines delayed the current spike? Maybe CAUSED the current spike being leaky and not all that good. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:33:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ender875: Do you realize the irony of posting this last sentence in a post about moving the goal posts? Vaccines delayed the current spike? Maybe CAUSED the current spike being leaky and not all that good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ender875: Originally Posted By martin248: The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Do you realize the irony of posting this last sentence in a post about moving the goal posts? Vaccines delayed the current spike? Maybe CAUSED the current spike being leaky and not all that good. Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no “moving goal posts” in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered “moving goal posts” is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:46:17 PM EST
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For the OP, not sure if it was noted but maybe some charts of when countries like Gibraltar got fully vaxxed and then the infection rate. They were the first but a few others hit that 98% mark and had some "weird" reports on it being safe and especially the effective part.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:52:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no “moving goal posts” in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered “moving goal posts” is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By Ender875: Originally Posted By martin248: The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Do you realize the irony of posting this last sentence in a post about moving the goal posts? Vaccines delayed the current spike? Maybe CAUSED the current spike being leaky and not all that good. Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no “moving goal posts” in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered “moving goal posts” is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Then why the mandates still, is that not a "movable goal post" (I hope the game we are playing is at Lombardi field around 1977)? The jab does little to nothing but yet here we are. I am not even including people under the age of 30 but especially anyone under 18 (aka kids) because anyone that thinks this is a smart move is retarded. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:55:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: Then why the mandates still, is that not a "movable goal post" (I hope the game we are playing is at Lombardi field around 1977)? The jab does little to nothing but yet here we are. I am not even including people under the age of 30 but especially anyone under 18 (aka kids) because anyone that thinks this is a smart move is retarded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By Ender875: Originally Posted By martin248: The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Do you realize the irony of posting this last sentence in a post about moving the goal posts? Vaccines delayed the current spike? Maybe CAUSED the current spike being leaky and not all that good. Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no “moving goal posts” in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered “moving goal posts” is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Then why the mandates still, is that not a "movable goal post" (I hope the game we are playing is at Lombardi field around 1977)? The jab does little to nothing but yet here we are. I am not even including people under the age of 30 but especially anyone under 18 (aka kids) because anyone that thinks this is a smart move is retarded. Because it is all they have. Governments always want to do “something” even when nothing is better. Look at the call for gun control after every school shooting. Hell, look at the bump stock ban. That accomplished absolutely nothing. But they were seen to do “something”. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 6:54:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
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Posted: 1/5/2022 6:55:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not, it's effective today. Everything about this pandemic is about buying time. Time gives us more treatment options and apparently a milder disease, if our luck with omicron being milder holds up. I think the government is being forced to accept the reality that COVID can't be stopped and that the real mission is to transition to a population with sufficient resistance to avoid severe disease, and to do that with the minimum amount of deaths and serious complications balanced with the minimum disruption to the economy and balanced with a need to keep hospitals open for people with other health issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Lol. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 6:56:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Since when did 'really hopeful' become a scientific qualification? Or are we not following THE SCIENCETM anymore? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By RSG:
Since when did 'really hopeful' become a scientific qualification? Or are we not following THE SCIENCETM anymore? They've been "winging it" and doing a fuckton of guesswork since this all started. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 6:56:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no “moving goal posts” in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered “moving goal posts” is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:01:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Another lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no “moving goal posts” in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered “moving goal posts” is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:12:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:16:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sherrick13: Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sherrick13: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Ok, you got me. It’s a vast world wide conspiracy involving every government, health care employee, scientist and teacher. Involving millions of co-conspirators, but no one has cracked yet. Carry on My how people love to imagine themselves as victims. Hint: most of us aren’t as important as we like to imagine. We live, we die, no shadowy global super cabal cares. But it makes for good novels. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:22:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:25:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. Everything you’ve said is correct, and none of it contradicts a single word in my post. I’ve worked with the “smartest people in the room” in my field. They are often wrong. All humans are. Anyone who thinks the “finest scientists” are never wrong is delusional. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:31:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Ok, you got me. It’s a vast world wide conspiracy involving every government, health care employee, scientist and teacher. Involving millions of co-conspirators, but no one has cracked yet. Carry on My how people love to imagine themselves as victims. Hint: most of us aren’t as important as we like to imagine. We live, we die, no shadowy global super cabal cares. But it makes for good novels. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By sherrick13: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Ok, you got me. It’s a vast world wide conspiracy involving every government, health care employee, scientist and teacher. Involving millions of co-conspirators, but no one has cracked yet. Carry on My how people love to imagine themselves as victims. Hint: most of us aren’t as important as we like to imagine. We live, we die, no shadowy global super cabal cares. But it makes for good novels. Nice to see you still have the same gay assed gimmick going after these few months. LMAO. Keep putting in those thousands of words every day! |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:33:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNW: Nice to see you still have the same gay assed gimmick going after these few months. LMAO. Keep putting in those thousands of words every day! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNW: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By sherrick13: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Ok, you got me. It’s a vast world wide conspiracy involving every government, health care employee, scientist and teacher. Involving millions of co-conspirators, but no one has cracked yet. Carry on My how people love to imagine themselves as victims. Hint: most of us aren’t as important as we like to imagine. We live, we die, no shadowy global super cabal cares. But it makes for good novels. Nice to see you still have the same gay assed gimmick going after these few months. LMAO. Keep putting in those thousands of words every day! What gimmick? Your post doesn’t make sense. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:37:21 PM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:39:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Everything you’ve said is correct, and none of it contradicts a single word in my post. I’ve worked with the “smartest people in the room” in my field. They are often wrong. All humans are. Anyone who thinks the “finest scientists” are never wrong is delusional. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. Everything you’ve said is correct, and none of it contradicts a single word in my post. I’ve worked with the “smartest people in the room” in my field. They are often wrong. All humans are. Anyone who thinks the “finest scientists” are never wrong is delusional. I am wrong. Often. I admit it. The lack of humility from “those in charge” is a big problem. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:39:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: What gimmick? Your post doesn’t make sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By BNW: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By sherrick13: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Ok, you got me. It’s a vast world wide conspiracy involving every government, health care employee, scientist and teacher. Involving millions of co-conspirators, but no one has cracked yet. Carry on My how people love to imagine themselves as victims. Hint: most of us aren’t as important as we like to imagine. We live, we die, no shadowy global super cabal cares. But it makes for good novels. Nice to see you still have the same gay assed gimmick going after these few months. LMAO. Keep putting in those thousands of words every day! What gimmick? Your post doesn’t make sense.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:46:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNW: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNW: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By BNW: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By sherrick13: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Ok, you got me. It’s a vast world wide conspiracy involving every government, health care employee, scientist and teacher. Involving millions of co-conspirators, but no one has cracked yet. Carry on My how people love to imagine themselves as victims. Hint: most of us aren’t as important as we like to imagine. We live, we die, no shadowy global super cabal cares. But it makes for good novels. Nice to see you still have the same gay assed gimmick going after these few months. LMAO. Keep putting in those thousands of words every day! What gimmick? Your post doesn’t make sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif That’s helpful. I can sum up my opinion in two sentences: Scientists tried, and didn’t really succeed. Politicians let no good crisis go to waste. In your mind this is somehow a “gimmick”. I can’t even see how it’s controversial. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:50:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: This is the only reason many got the jab, was to return to normal. Look how that turned out, are Shitshow schools open today..yes or no question?. ...they had "BREAK THROUGH" cases where they had to start reporting on it in July. I will not argue that it might have helped in the beginning but your defeat line is pure BS.Yeah like treating people the day they get sick instead of a note...call us if you can't breath. Two different questions here: 1. Did the vaccine in practice reduce risk sufficient that rational people would go back to life as normal - YES 2. Did the government adopt sensible, data driven policies based on that reduction in risk - HELL NO |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:51:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: I am wrong. Often. I admit it. The lack of humility from “those in charge” is a big problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. Everything you’ve said is correct, and none of it contradicts a single word in my post. I’ve worked with the “smartest people in the room” in my field. They are often wrong. All humans are. Anyone who thinks the “finest scientists” are never wrong is delusional. I am wrong. Often. I admit it. The lack of humility from “those in charge” is a big problem. How is that different this time around? I’ve yet to hear Bush or Cheney say Iraq was not responsible for 9-11. I would be more surprised to hear a politician say they were wrong. That would be unprecedented. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:54:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: How is that different this time around? I’ve yet to hear Bush or Cheney say Iraq was not responsible for 9-11. I would be more surprised to hear a politician say they were wrong. That would be unprecedented. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. Everything you’ve said is correct, and none of it contradicts a single word in my post. I’ve worked with the “smartest people in the room” in my field. They are often wrong. All humans are. Anyone who thinks the “finest scientists” are never wrong is delusional. I am wrong. Often. I admit it. The lack of humility from “those in charge” is a big problem. How is that different this time around? I’ve yet to hear Bush or Cheney say Iraq was not responsible for 9-11. I would be more surprised to hear a politician say they were wrong. That would be unprecedented. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 7:57:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: it’s not politicians being wrong. It’s doctors and scientists. They won’t admit they were wrong. Which is what makes good science. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. The "finest scientists" and drug manufacturers put all their eggs in one basket that is not as advertised, and has the potential to cause a lot of harm to those who trusted them. Throughout history the things medical science would do is to find effective treatments for symptoms, and if a cure is possible, explore a route to effect that. What modern medicine did was to ignore patients until their viral load was so bad they were dying by the thousands. Any virologist will tell you that a corona virus is rapidly mutating, and attempting to get ahead of it with a shot is pretty much impossible, hence no cure for the common cold. This shot was pissing in the wind, and benefited those in power and their corporate friends. We have gone from life back to normal after your two shots to massive spikes in new infections that pretty much ignore the shot. If that is the same as your buzz word laden post, them we agree. If not, then we disagree. Everything you’ve said is correct, and none of it contradicts a single word in my post. I’ve worked with the “smartest people in the room” in my field. They are often wrong. All humans are. Anyone who thinks the “finest scientists” are never wrong is delusional. I am wrong. Often. I admit it. The lack of humility from “those in charge” is a big problem. How is that different this time around? I’ve yet to hear Bush or Cheney say Iraq was not responsible for 9-11. I would be more surprised to hear a politician say they were wrong. That would be unprecedented. They are firstly people. I can count on one hand the times I’ve heard someone publicly say they were wrong. Not even scientists. Scientists are wrong all the time. They don’t usually say “I was wrong”. They say “we’ve learned from this and come up with a better xyz”. Not to mention that our society has become so litigious that is not tenable. Perhaps it was in the 1950s. Edit: just thinking about it, it’s so rare that the Challenger blowing up became a Harvard Case Study on groupthink for MBA students. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:17:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: martin248]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: They are firstly people. I can count on one hand the times I’ve heard someone publicly say they were wrong. Not even scientists. Scientists are wrong all the time. They don’t usually say “I was wrong”. They say “we’ve learned from this and come up with a better xyz”. Not to mention that our society has become so litigious that is not tenable. Perhaps it was in the 1950s. Edit: just thinking about it, it’s so rare that the Challenger blowing up became a Harvard Case Study on groupthink for MBA students. Some of the best science in history has come from being wrong. Michelson and Morley were sure their experiment would finally show a difference in the speed of light when they measured its velocity travelling with vs at right angles to Earth's direction of movement though the luminiferous aether! |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:41:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not, it's effective today. Everything about this pandemic is about buying time. Time gives us more treatment options and apparently a milder disease, if our luck with omicron being milder holds up. I think the government is being forced to accept the reality that COVID can't be stopped and that the real mission is to transition to a population with sufficient resistance to avoid severe disease, and to do that with the minimum amount of deaths and serious complications balanced with the minimum disruption to the economy and balanced with a need to keep hospitals open for people with other health issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. I can’t tell if you’re sad enough to actually believe posts like this or if you’re pushing an agenda for someone. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:44:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sherrick13: Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sherrick13: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Since the current variant is relatively harmless, it is a good thing. It is actually the best possible thing that could happen. A relatively harmless, very contagious variant, that will hopefully provide some degree of immunity to the vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. There is no "moving goal posts" in that. Rather considering new information that did not exist (and an entire new variant that did not exist). Intelligent people consider new information and adapt their response to it, rather than dig in their heels based on outdated information that is no longer relevant. Much of what is considered "moving goal posts" is simply adapting to and adjusting for new information in a fast moving dynamic situation. Folks are so desperate to find a conspiracy in all of this that they are ignoring the fact that people learn and adapt their approaches as situations unfold. Particularly in the case of a novel virus. Another lol. What do you disagree with? Nothing in my post is even remotely controversial. That is what is laughable. There is no adapting or adjusting other than the .gov trying to cover up lies and misinformation they uttered earlier.  Attached FileWhen "the science changedTM" translated to "the science wasn't actually done, they were guessing, and fact-check silencing the people who eventually were proven right, over and over." Event #120 |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:44:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Some of the best science in history has come from being wrong. Michelson and Morley were sure their experiment would finally show a difference in the speed of light when they measured its velocity travelling with vs at right angles to Earth's direction of movement though the luminiferous aether! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: They are firstly people. I can count on one hand the times I’ve heard someone publicly say they were wrong. Not even scientists. Scientists are wrong all the time. They don’t usually say “I was wrong”. They say “we’ve learned from this and come up with a better xyz”. Not to mention that our society has become so litigious that is not tenable. Perhaps it was in the 1950s. Edit: just thinking about it, it’s so rare that the Challenger blowing up became a Harvard Case Study on groupthink for MBA students. Some of the best science in history has come from being wrong. Michelson and Morley were sure their experiment would finally show a difference in the speed of light when they measured its velocity travelling with vs at right angles to Earth's direction of movement though the luminiferous aether! And presumably also some of the worst science… |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:51:24 PM EST
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 Attached FileRemember when posting: "It came from a lab in Wuhan" would have gotten you banned from youtube/facebook/twitter? Then allll at once it went away, right around the time Jon Stewart was making fun of it?
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:55:38 PM EST
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 Attached FileI remember this. This "couldn't be happening" because "it stays in the shoulder". My how that claim aged like milk. Pfizer's brochure is the literal word of God dontchaknow.  Heh, remember when we asked them to show their work, and they wanted us to wait 55 years? And some people are dumb enough to excusify that on Pfizer's behalf? Remember when this badboy leaked out, and we were told via verbal sleight of hand that literally none of these were going to happen to anyone?   Attached FileJust a reminder and a request from OP: - Do not respond to the bait posters, please. - Instead, post your favorite goalpost move. - We're going to run "time of possession" offense on them, akin to a team with a power-running game, pushing around an undersized defensive line. They cannot stop us, they are in the wrong on almost all matters, and on the topic of shifting goalposts, most so. Run it down their throat.  They've looked progressively sillier, as the clownsuits they've been wearing since March get dramatically more elaborate every few weeks. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:02:44 PM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:03:06 PM EST
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 Attached FileFound it! I was looking for this one. This is back when breakthrough infections were NOT going to be a thing, to suggest it even could be a normal thing? Literally MisinformationTM to wonder out loud if the vaccines were leaky, with the NY Yankees getting it anyway, Bill Maher getting it anyway, etc etc. Misinformation to be right, because after all the Science Was DoneTM and they simply knew everything! They even said so. They were so correct that an opposition scientist correctly predicting the future, could have his reputation ruined for contradicting the Version 1.0 claim.  Attached FileRemember that ^ "Wasn't proof of anything", and, it wasn't going to happen in the United States, because, it simply wasn't. Remember the vaccine brochure memorizer battalion walked in wearing the latest standard issue clown suits and told us - that data was simply fake. It wasn't real. It couldn't be! Breakthrough Infections Are RareTM so said The StudiesTM.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:10:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC0433: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/400935/Screenshot_20210829-072041_WhatsApp_jpg-2229878.JPG Lol. All these vax apologists and doomers have had so much CNN semen pumped up their asshole that it’s backed up into their brain and made them bigger retards than they already were. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:14:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
That's like saying that yelling at the clouds makes them go away. Gee, if the first two shots didn't work, we'll just keep jabbing away till they do by golly! |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:17:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: That's like saying that yelling at the clouds makes them go away. Gee, if the first two shots didn't work, we'll just keep jabbing away till they do by golly! |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:18:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not, it's effective today. Everything about this pandemic is about buying time. Time gives us more treatment options and apparently a milder disease, if our luck with omicron being milder holds up. I think the government is being forced to accept the reality that COVID can't be stopped and that the real mission is to transition to a population with sufficient resistance to avoid severe disease, and to do that with the minimum amount of deaths and serious complications balanced with the minimum disruption to the economy and balanced with a need to keep hospitals open for people with other health issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Since when did 'really hopeful' become a scientific qualification? Or are we not following THE SCIENCETM anymore? Regardless of whether it lasts for a long time or not, it's effective today. Everything about this pandemic is about buying time. Time gives us more treatment options and apparently a milder disease, if our luck with omicron being milder holds up. I think the government is being forced to accept the reality that COVID can't be stopped and that the real mission is to transition to a population with sufficient resistance to avoid severe disease, and to do that with the minimum amount of deaths and serious complications balanced with the minimum disruption to the economy and balanced with a need to keep hospitals open for people with other health issues. As such vaccines are a great tool of used correctly: vaccinate people to reduce the overall severity of the disease, and having done that end all the restrictions and mandates and accept that everyone will get sick , but with much less harm because the vaccinations upped everyone's odds. The vaccines did a great job of delaying the current spike until today. It took COVID-19 a year to defeat vaccine immunity and we put the year to good use. Now we have paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonals, dexamethasone, home rapid tests, a better understanding of oxygen protocols and a weaker virus. Time gave us much better options. Nope, the shots were never effective and they were never going to end the pandemic or buy time. They have been a dismal failure from the beginning and was the worst possible path from a public health perspective. The harmful experimental gene therapy shots never blunted the spike anywhere. We've had effective treatments available since the beginning and instead of rolling them out nationwide, our corrupt public "health" officials colluded with big pharma to bilk billions of dollars out of the taxpayers on an ineffective and dangerous set of compounds that could never have stemmed the tide of the pandemic. It's a criminal disgrace. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:19:16 PM EST
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 Attached FileThis was a "get you kicked off youtube" one. Verboten. Couldn't say it outloud. Right around here was likely the birth of the "Lmao of cooooooooooooourse they always meant for you to get boosted, and the Long Term TestTM on the vaccine being 6 months with a sudden data-fee cut off was totally coincidence!" goalpost. In the US. The Israeli booster campaign wasn't going to happen in the US because it wasn't you see. |
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