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Posted: 4/26/2010 8:24:40 PM EDT

With all the questions that pop up about it thought people would like to see it.

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Posted: 4/26/2010 8:26:25 PM EDT

[#1]

But we got great weather !

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:27:42 PM EDT

[#2]

California and Californians

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:28:20 PM EDT

[#3]

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But we got great weather !

Yea, not even sure that chart covers all of it.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:28:31 PM EDT

[#4]

My head hurts from reading the flow chart.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:30:11 PM EDT

[#5]

Chip away at it folks. The coming chaos will offer some cover to remove this shit.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:31:41 PM EDT

[#6]

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But we got great weather !

I'd rather live in a tent full of holes in the northernmost part of Alaska.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:33:39 PM EDT

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But we got great weather !

I'd rather live in a tent full of holes in the northernmost part of Alaska.

Yeah but you currently live in a mud hut in Tennessee, so it would be a step up...

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:35:23 PM EDT

[#8]

Damn that's retarded.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:36:34 PM EDT

[#9]

Jeebus.

That's more complicated than the flow charts I had to make for outlines for Secured Transactions for Article 9 UCC transactions.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:37:46 PM EDT

[#10]

Needs a picture of some DOJ agents hiding behind one of the boxes..

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:39:25 PM EDT

[#11]

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But we got great weather !

I'd rather live in a tent full of holes in the northernmost part of Alaska.

Yeah but you currently live in a mud hut in Tennessee, so it would be a step up...

i'll take my mud hut over a tepee in the desert.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:40:52 PM EDT

[#12]

You have to give credit where credit is due. The guys who came up with a way around the ridiculous California laws, stuck a pretty big middle finger to the Democrats and Rhinos who thought they ended gun ownership with all the laws they made. Better to successfully jump through the hoops and rub it in a liberals face than to throw your hands up in the air and give up.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:43:03 PM EDT

[#13]

Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:43:07 PM EDT

[#14]

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Chip away at it folks. The coming chaos will offer some cover to remove this shit.

I like the way you think.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:43:48 PM EDT

[#15]

Another CA AR owner here, we need to keep it strong and take back what is ours

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:45:44 PM EDT

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Yes they can.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:49:27 PM EDT

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

It's complicated but I have two M1As. They don't have flash hiders. They have the Springfiled muzzle compensators instead.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:50:45 PM EDT

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Yes they can.

Not if it's stock. Detachable mag + flash hider = nogo, at least according to the chart

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:54:24 PM EDT

[#19]

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Yes they can.

Not if it's stock. Detachable mag + flash hider = nogo, at least according to the chart

See my post above. Springfield sells CA compliant M1As. They have for years.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:56:02 PM EDT

[#20]

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Yes they can.

Not if it's stock. Detachable mag + flash hider = nogo, at least according to the chart

Gee I wonder of they sell a CA complaint model in the nations largest firearms market...

Swap the flash hider and it is legal.

Posted: 4/26/2010 8:57:57 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
But we got great weather !

Posted: 4/26/2010 10:07:32 PM EDT

[#22]

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

You can't have a true M14 either without NFA papers - those are considered select-fire.

As for a Springfield Armory M1A clone of an M14 (i.e., an AR15 to an M16), yes we can. We just
can't have flash hiders on them and have muzzle brakes on them instead. They're sold at every
decent gunshop in CA if they can keep them in inventory.

BTW, that CA AW flowchart - or the original logic behind it - primed the flow of ~250K evil black rifles into
CA after they thought they'd banned them. And the flow is continuing. They can't really tweak anything
further without screwing themselves up due to interference with other laws (i.e, allowing other existing
guns to be changed into 'assault weapons') - they boxed themselves in between two separate bodies of
law plus a suite of regulatory definitions.

And with incorporation of RKBA coming up - and Heller decision only really allowing bans of guns that are
both "dangerous and unusual" (the word 'and' was NOT used casually!)
and black rifles some of the most common guns in the country (ARs prob outsell Rem 700s and 10/22s now)
and you can see where we're goin' :) Plus the courts are smart enough to see that a detachable-magazine
CA-legal AR with a wedge grip vs. a detachable-magazine CA-illegal AR with a pistol grip is bogus
and that such ergonomics are irrelevant to RKBA matters....

Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

Posted: 4/26/2010 10:10:42 PM EDT

[#23]

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

You can't have a true M14 either without NFA papers - those are considered select-fire.

As for a Springfield Armory M1A clone of an M14 (i.e., an AR15 to an M16), yes we can.
We just can't have flash hiders on them and have muzzle brakes on them instead. They're
at every decent gunshop.

Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

In the Bay Area. Any gunstore worth anything that sells rifles has some M1As.

Posted: 4/26/2010 10:56:26 PM EDT

[#24]

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Yes they can.

Not if it's stock. Detachable mag + flash hider = nogo, at least according to the chart

M1A with a "muzzle break" instead of the regular flash hider like on the full size is okay. If you have preban 20s those are okay. If you don't then your stuck with 10 rounders. No bullet button.

Posted: 4/26/2010 11:59:51 PM EDT

[#25]

Why don't you guys move to a free state?

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:04:03 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Why don't you guys move to a free state?

Why don't you move to a state where the women have teeth?

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:05:46 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

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Why don't you guys move to a free state?

Why don't you move to a state where the women have teeth?

They have teeth here....

Just not their own...

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:13:21 AM EDT

[#28]

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Why don't you guys move to a free state?

Because that's what the liberals want.

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:19:30 AM EDT

[#29]

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Why don't you guys move to a free state?

Why don't you move to a state where the women have teeth?

Wow, that's an intelligent retort.

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:35:41 AM EDT

[#30]

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Wow, can't even have an M14 eh? Sucks to be you guys

Yes they can.

Not if it's stock. Detachable mag + flash hider = nogo, at least according to the chart

M1A with a "muzzle break" instead of the regular flash hider like on the full size is okay. If you have preban 20s those are okay. If you don't then your stuck with 10 rounders. No bullet button.

http://i42.tinypic.com/s662c7.jpg

The ONE type of magazine that I have preban are those M1A's, and I don't even own one anymore.

I need to buy another.

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:36:35 AM EDT

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With all the questions that pop up about it thought people would like to see it.

http://www.paul.net/guns/ca_aw_id_flowchart_front.png

Fullsize link

That is truly insane. Gee....I never thought I'd say it,looking at this makes me hunger for Massachusetts with its (comparatively) rational and ummm.....sane gun laws...

And yes, I am being sarcastic.

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:44:43 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
With all the questions that pop up about it thought people would like to see it.

http://www.paul.net/guns/ca_aw_id_flowchart_front.png

Fullsize link

That is truly insane. Gee....I never thought I'd say it,looking at this makes me hunger for Massachusetts with its (comparatively) rational and ummm.....sane gun laws...

And yes, I am being sarcastic.

Actually, while CA bans certain types of guns and these bans are indeed surmountable as shown by the above flowchart and by using
low-cost improvisations like the BulletButton and MonsterMan grips, we're much better than those other eastern states in terms of
no 'specific destination' laws, no real firearms ID card to worry about expiry, etc.

If you get pulled over with a legal gun in a traffic stop in CA, you don't look like a dirtbag and you don't have a dead hooker in your
trunk, you'll be on your way in 10-15 min. If you get pulled over in MA or MD with a legal gun you're at best gonna have a lot of
explaining to do: certainly MD has a specific destination for handguns..

There's far more "gun culture" in CA than in MA/MD. It's occupied territory here, but we're holding ground and there's progress
in the courts.

Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:50:13 AM EDT

[#33]

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Why don't you guys move to a free state?

I'd rather stay and fight.

Plus, nice weather, good six-figure jobs (and ability to get a new one quickly), great restaurants, one of the world's best
symphony orchestras just 30min away all help mitigate relatively minor firearms drama. An 18yr old can buy a Min14
or M1A here. 10rd mags do change out pretty quickly.

And as someone with 9 legal grandfathered AWs + 30 or so other guns, and hundreds of grandfathered hicap mags, I
really don't feel constrained.

We'll get a robust RKBA back in CA far., far faster than other states' non-gun desirability rises.

Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

Posted: 4/27/2010 12:57:30 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

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Why don't you guys move to a free state?

I'd rather stay and fight.

Plus, nice weather, good six-figure jobs (and ability to get a new one quickly), great restaurants, one of the world's best

symphony orchestras just 30min away all help mitigate relatively minor firearms drama. An 18yr old can buy a Min14

or M1A here. 10rd mags do change out pretty quickly.

And as someone with 9 legal grandfathered AWs + 30 or so other guns, and hundreds of grandfathered hicap mags, I

really don't feel constrained.

We'll get a robust RKBA back in CA far., far faster than other states' non-gun desirability rises.

Bill Wiese

San Jose CA

I had no idea you could grandfather hicap magazines and AW's.

How does that work?

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:02:38 AM EDT

[#35]

Here, how about a nice picture of a NON compliant PRK "Assault Rifle" ?

Hopefully this will make some communist dick bags in Sacramento cry (or piss their panties), and remind arfcommers stuck behind enemy lines that its high time they said FUCK YOU to the commies and bed wetters in Sac town, and just walked away.

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:16:17 AM EDT

[#36]

I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:16:47 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/27/2010 1:17:11 AM EDT

[#38]

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I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

Did you READ THE FLOWCHART?

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:28:46 AM EDT

[#39]

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Move

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:32:44 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

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Why don't you guys move to a free state?

Why don't you move to a state where the women have teeth?

I actually burst out laughing when I read that.

God I'm sick of fucking idiots saying that retarded bullshit ... it's not that easy to just leave your 70k/year job, FIOS internet, career prospects, friends and family, pack it all up and move to some shack in rural Montana, where you can sit unemployed just for the sake of being able to double fist SBR AR's with bayonet lugs and beta mags.

But at least you're "free" huh?

I'll take living in a shitty state while I save up enough money to move PROPERLY over moving RIGHT THIS FUCKING SECOND and then sitting unemployed like half the sorry losers on this forum who complain how they can't find a job.

"Why don't you move to a free state?"

Why don't you get a fucking clue?

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:39:06 AM EDT

[#41]

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I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

Did you READ THE FLOWCHART?

I would if I could!!! Kinda small on my laptop, but thanks for you well thought out input.

EDIT: Just another reason why peop..........nvm.......you already know

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:39:48 AM EDT

[#42]

People are buying Bushmaster ACRs and FN SCARs in CA now - thanks to bweise & the Calguns.net folks
Yes, I wish I could afford one or both

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:42:00 AM EDT

[#43]

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I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

According to the flow chart, a 10 round magazine and a bullet button to keep it legally "fixed." Oh, of course, and no barrel less than 16".

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:47:22 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

According to the flow chart, a 10 round magazine and a bullet button to keep it legally "fixed." Oh, of course, and no barrel less than 16".

Thank you. I have one of the Rem R-15's that I guess should qual except for the bullet button. I 'll do some looking to see about getting one if I decide to use an ar for hunting down there.

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:51:01 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

Did you READ THE FLOWCHART?

I would if I could!!! Kinda small on my laptop, but thanks for you well thought out input.

Did you see that he included a link to a LARGER picture?

http://www.paul.net/guns/ca_aw_id_flowchart_front.png

Posted: 4/27/2010 1:55:38 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

Did you READ THE FLOWCHART?

I would if I could!!! Kinda small on my laptop, but thanks for you well thought out input.

Did you see that he included a link to a LARGER picture?

http://www.paul.net/guns/ca_aw_id_flowchart_front.png

Yes, which is even small because it puts the whole page in the corner for me which I cannot schroll on.

Posted: 4/27/2010 2:00:45 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I have a question reguarding CA gun laws. I have a buddy that I have hunted with in NorCal and would like to go back down and hunt pigs with him. What do I need, or not have...to bring an AR in state as a non-resident?

Did you READ THE FLOWCHART?

I would if I could!!! Kinda small on my laptop, but thanks for you well thought out input.

Did you see that he included a link to a LARGER picture?

http://www.paul.net/guns/ca_aw_id_flowchart_front.png

Yes, which is even small because it puts the whole page in the corner for me which I cannot schroll on.

Dang dude, how small is your laptop?