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Posted: 5/9/2011 2:21:14 PM EST

Found these at the range this weekend. Never seen anything like these, that's for sure. What are they? Says 5.56 on the base.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:23:14 PM EST

[#1]

Caliber adapters, but not sure from what to what.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:24:24 PM EST

[#2]

definitely a henway.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:24:40 PM EST

[#3]

Safety bullets would be my guess. Maybe someone got fed up with them and left them at the range.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:33:06 PM EST

[#4]

Quoted:

definitely a henway.

Odd, SpecOps usually polices up all the brass when firing Henways..

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:37:39 PM EST

[#5]

looks close to a sim-round/paintball round.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:38:50 PM EST

[#6]

Quoted:
looks close to a sim-round/paintball round.

Not a simunition.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:38:55 PM EST

[#7]

TAG

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:41:30 PM EST

[#8]

n/m, next post got it

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:42:14 PM EST

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
looks close to a sim-round/paintball round.

Not a simunition.

From the Simunition website. Sure looks like them. Incidentally, I've found some out in the desert out here.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:43:21 PM EST

[#10]

Quoted:

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looks close to a sim-round/paintball round.

Not a simunition.

http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/images/fx_training.jpg

From the Simunition website. Sure looks like them. Incidentally, I've found some out in the desert out here.

Yup

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:43:29 PM EST

[#11]

Quoted:
Caliber adapters, but not sure from what to what.

Use .22 long rifle in a .308 or .30-06?

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:45:03 PM EST

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Caliber adapters, but not sure from what to what.

Use .22 long rifle in a .308 or .30-06?

I've pressed the aluminum part back into the brass, and they're too long to chamber in a standard .223/5.56 chamber by quite a bit. (ETA: I see you're talking about .308/30-06, but I just figured I'd mention it for the jee-whiz factor.)

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:51:01 PM EST

[#13]

Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91

Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that.

Posted: 5/9/2011 2:52:04 PM EST

[#14]

They are paintball rounds,

Posted: 5/9/2011 3:47:46 PM EST

[#15]

Seems like a pricey shell to just leave behind unless of course they cannot be reloaded.

Posted: 5/9/2011 3:49:58 PM EST

[#16]

Simunitions.

I work in Security at a community college. The local SWAT team recently conducted an active shooter/hostage rescue training exercise at the school about a month ago. The shell casings we recovered from the SWAT training are identical to the casings in the original post.

Posted: 5/9/2011 3:52:40 PM EST

[#17]

I would name it Ralphie

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:04:08 PM EST

[#18]

any chance of reloading those? I know getting the original projectiles is unlikely, but aside from that, could anything useful be done with the empties?

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:23:48 PM EST

[#19]

Quoted:
any chance of reloading those? I know getting the original projectiles is unlikely, but aside from that, could anything useful be done with the empties?

Considering they're deliberately sized to not fit in normal chambers... probably not.

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:33:54 PM EST

[#20]

They hurt.
I got shot in the bottom lip with one of the 9mm sized ones. I looked like Bubba Gump.

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:42:44 PM EST

[#21]

Quoted:
They hurt.
I got shot in the bottom lip with one of the 9mm sized ones. I looked like Bubba Gump.

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:45:24 PM EST

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They hurt.
I got shot in the bottom lip with one of the 9mm sized ones. I looked like Bubba Gump.

I was walking around for a week saying, "I was born wif big gums, Suh."
Yeah, it sucked.

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:47:48 PM EST

[#23]

Simunitions

Posted: 5/9/2011 4:53:41 PM EST

[#24]

Huh, never seen one like that, all we ever used in the M4 was a pistol sim round with the sim M4 upper.

Posted: 5/9/2011 5:11:20 PM EST

[#25]

Quoted:

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any chance of reloading those? I know getting the original projectiles is unlikely, but aside from that, could anything useful be done with the empties?

Considering they're deliberately sized to not fit in normal chambers... probably not.

So I did a full length size, and trimmed the case to .223 specs. Fit the dies perfectly....will not chamber. Can't see where they fail to fit.

What are they fired from???

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:09:02 PM EST

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
any chance of reloading those? I know getting the original projectiles is unlikely, but aside from that, could anything useful be done with the empties?

Considering they're deliberately sized to not fit in normal chambers... probably not.

So I did a full length size, and trimmed the case to .223 specs. Fit the dies perfectly....will not chamber. Can't see where they fail to fit.

What are they fired from???

http://www.simunition.com/conversion_kits/conversion_kits_en.php

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:12:18 PM EST

[#27]

Possumnitions.

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:30:54 PM EST

[#28]

These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR.

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:32:46 PM EST

[#29]

Quoted:
These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR.

Usually they use a dedicated upper.

ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience.

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:38:09 PM EST

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR.

Usually they use a dedicated upper.

ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience.

It depends on what the department is using. The bolt alone is capable of being used in most uppers, but many departments use colored barrels, handguards, etc in order to distinguish them from the real thing to prevent accidents.

Simunition Conversions

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:40:38 PM EST

[#31]

I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only?

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:41:52 PM EST

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR.

Usually they use a dedicated upper.

ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience.

We used them in our M-4's and SAW's, just swapped out the bolt though, no dedicated upper, but the round wasn't brass, it looked like zinc or aluminum. It looked like a rimfire primer in the back too. They chamber in my AR's, but obviously won't fire without the special blue bolt.
I still have a drum of SAW ammo and a few boxes of the 5.56 loose rounds.

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:43:22 PM EST

[#33]

too bad mere mortals cant buy them

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:45:10 PM EST

[#34]

Quoted:
I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only?

You would be correct.

Legal Notes on Simunitions

LEGAL NOTES

Due to the very nature of our business, the sale and use of Simunition® products and systems are restricted to recognised law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, military forces, approved professional training and security facilities.

Posted: 5/9/2011 7:47:22 PM EST

[#35]

Quoted:
Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91

Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that.

It looks like the aluminum part is coming out.

Posted: 5/9/2011 8:30:41 PM EST

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR.

Usually they use a dedicated upper.

ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience.

We used them in our M-4's and SAW's, just swapped out the bolt though, no dedicated upper, but the round wasn't brass, it looked like zinc or aluminum. It looked like a rimfire primer in the back too. They chamber in my AR's, but obviously won't fire without the special blue bolt.
I still have a drum of SAW ammo and a few boxes of the 5.56 loose rounds.

Yeah, the ones shaped like 556 work with a bolt change.
The ones shaped like a 9mm, its a bolt and upper change. If you try to fire them in a glock 19 or m9, they stick in the bbl. I tried. I also tried to buy a blue bbl for my personal m9, but no dice.

Posted: 5/9/2011 9:01:53 PM EST

[#37]

Simunitions use a special bolt and carrier that probably has more headspace to prevent the simunition ammo from fitting when a regular bolt is instaled.

Posted: 5/9/2011 9:11:44 PM EST

[#38]

Nanobot injectors . . .

Posted: 5/9/2011 9:26:29 PM EST

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only?

You would be correct.

Legal Notes on Simunitions

LEGAL NOTES

Due to the very nature of our business, the sale and use of Simunition® products and systems are restricted to recognised law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, military forces, approved professional training and security facilities.

Which is not to say that it's impossible to get one's hands on them as a civilian, or that it would involve jail time...

FWIW, Simunition (if they want the ® they can put it there themselves) can go fuck a flying football. And that's not because of their sales policy, either. That is all.

Posted: 5/10/2011 6:25:36 AM EST

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only?

You would be correct.

Legal Notes on Simunitions

LEGAL NOTES

Due to the very nature of our business, the sale and use of Simunition® products and systems are restricted to recognised law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, military forces, approved professional training and security facilities.

Which is not to say that it's impossible to get one's hands on them as a civilian, or that it would involve jail time...

FWIW, Simunition (if they want the ® they can put it there themselves) can go fuck a flying football. And that's not because of their sales policy, either. That is all.

I'd like to know more.

Posted: 5/10/2011 6:32:38 AM EST

[#41]

Cool!

I want one....I don't know why

Posted: 5/10/2011 6:37:15 AM EST

[#42]

Looks like posum to me.

Posted: 5/10/2011 6:39:13 AM EST

[#43]

Quoted:
Cool!

I want one....I don't know why

A live one, or a spent one? I have quite a few spent ones laying around. We use them in training.

Posted: 5/10/2011 6:42:34 AM EST

[#44]

its skynet larva!

Posted: 5/10/2011 6:13:02 PM EST

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91

Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that.

It looks like the aluminum part is coming out.

That is how the action is cycled; when the round is fired, the projectile is propelled out the barrel and that aluminum or plastic part, depending on the round, also moves forwrd cycling the action. Like a mini piston.

Posted: 5/11/2011 9:14:52 AM EST

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Cool!

I want one....I don't know why

A live one, or a spent one? I have quite a few spent ones laying around. We use them in training.

Either or.

They look cool

Posted: 5/11/2011 9:23:46 AM EST

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91

Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that.

It looks like the aluminum part is coming out.

That is how the action is cycled; when the round is fired, the projectile is propelled out the barrel and that aluminum or plastic part, depending on the round, also moves forwrd cycling the action. Like a mini piston.

Hmm, and that extracts reliably? It looks longer then a loaded 5.56 round.

Posted: 5/11/2011 9:26:25 AM EST

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91

Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that.

It looks like the aluminum part is coming out.

That is how the action is cycled; when the round is fired, the projectile is propelled out the barrel and that aluminum or plastic part, depending on the round, also moves forwrd cycling the action. Like a mini piston.

Hmm, and that extracts reliably? It looks longer then a loaded 5.56 round.

You can extract loaded rounds with OAL of 2.5" in a standard AR15.