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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:23:36 PM EDT
Can't decide between:
this 
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:24:21 PM EDT
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PPSh41
followed by MP40 then PPS43 |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:31:43 PM EDT
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Are you making a WWII video game or something?
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:33:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:34:13 PM EDT
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Deja Vu? I have no idea if that is spelled right, but who cares?  |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:35:04 PM EDT
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An SMG that weighs almost as much as an M1 and a complicated Russian gun. Try a Sten. Simple, made in back room shops, and made from left-over pipe scraps.
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:39:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:43:18 PM EDT
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An SMG that weighs almost as much as an M1 and a complicated Russian gun. Try a Sten. Simple, made in back room shops, and made from left-over pipe scraps. When trying to sell a weapons system or a individual gun that is not the way to go about doing it. Neither is that a good way to support your contention that the weapons is better than others of the same era.Try: easy to maintain, reliable, robust, design for easy manufacturing, uncomplicated. Describing as being made from garbage...  .
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:45:16 PM EDT
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The Beretta MP38 was a pretty nice design
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:45:41 PM EDT
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Dupe or not, I gotta go with the PaPa Shaw. My favorite gun, maybe of all time.
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:48:18 PM EDT
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Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: 
 
ETA: If we discount weapons that were classified as different things at different times*, then it's a close race between the Thompson and the MP-40. * The MKb-42(H)/MP-43/MP-44/StG-44 was, as the names indicate, variously known as a "Machine carbine", machine pistol/SMG, and finally an assault rifle...Sooo...Technically.... 
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:50:10 PM EDT
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Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg Assault rifle. 
PPSH-41. |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:53:46 PM EDT
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Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg Assault rifle.
PPSH-41. See edited post above. It's a machine carbine, machine pistol, and assault rifle all at the same time!
So your PPSH-41 sucks and looses.
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:57:17 PM EDT
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Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg
Not a SMG. PPSH= reliable, stamped, high capacity, high rate, 7.62x25 beats 9mm and 45acp and I own a Thompson. ETA: If we discount weapons that were classified as different things at different times*, then it's a close race between the Thompson and the MP-40. * The MKb-42(H)/MP-43/MP-44/StG-44 was, as the names indicate, variously known as a "Machine carbine", machine pistol/SMG, and finally an assault rifle...Sooo...Technically.... |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 9:58:56 PM EDT
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Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg
Not a SMG. PPSH= reliable, stamped, high capacity, high rate, 7.62x25 beats 9mm and 45acp and I own a Thompson. ETA: If we discount weapons that were classified as different things at different times*, then it's a close race between the Thompson and the MP-40. * The MKb-42(H)/MP-43/MP-44/StG-44 was, as the names indicate, variously known as a "Machine carbine", machine pistol/SMG, and finally an assault rifle...Sooo...Technically.... |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:03:23 PM EDT
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The Goats Leg, PPSH41
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:04:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg ETA: If we discount weapons that were classified as different things at different times*, then it's a close race between the Thompson and the MP-40. * The MKb-42(H)/MP-43/MP-44/StG-44 was, as the names indicate, variously known as a "Machine carbine", machine pistol/SMG, and finally an assault rifle...Sooo...Technically.... Nien. Not a MP. |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:08:35 PM EDT
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This is what arfcom would do to a PeePeeshaw
 Which one of you sick bastards did this?
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:16:54 PM EDT
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Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg
ETA: If we discount weapons that were classified as different things at different times*, then it's a close race between the Thompson and the MP-40. * The MKb-42(H)/MP-43/MP-44/StG-44 was, as the names indicate, variously known as a "Machine carbine", machine pistol/SMG, and finally an assault rifle...Sooo...Technically.... NienNein. Not a MP. Fixed it for you, and I still stand by my claim of being technically correct!
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:20:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can't decide between: this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ThompsonM1A1VWM.jpg or this http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/kraemerson88/ppsh.jpg Of those two, the Thompson. Overall, THIS: http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as51/mp44-1.jpg Assault rifle. PPSH-41. See edited post above. It's a machine carbine, machine pistol, and assault rifle all at the same time! So your PPSH-41 sucks and looses. So the you are saying the PPSH-41 sucks and is loose? Are you calling it a whore or what? 
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:22:32 PM EDT
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So the you are saying the PPSH-41 sucks and is loose? Are you calling it a whore or what? 1. Well played, sir!
2. Yes I am! It pops out bullets like a dollar whore pops out kids. And they're all COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST bullets!
ETA: Literally laughing my ass off right now! |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:23:29 PM EDT
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Are you making a WWII video game or something? Nope. A big time war buff. Just want some opinions is all. Are people getting butthurt or something? |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:26:23 PM EDT
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An SMG that weighs almost as much as an M1
M1 Thompson 10.6 lb Empty! M1 Garand 9.5 lb Do you know how much a steel 30 round mag of 230gr FMJ weigh? Almost 2 lbs! 
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:27:14 PM EDT
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An SMG that weighs almost as much as an M1 and a complicated Russian gun. Try a Sten. Simple, made in back room shops, and made from left-over pipe scraps. When trying to sell a weapons system or a individual gun that is not the way to go about doing it. Neither is that a good way to support your contention that the weapons is better than others of the same era.Try: easy to maintain, reliable, robust, design for easy manufacturing, uncomplicated. Describing as being made from garbage... .
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about what made them great for war time. The Sten was heralded as a great gun because they could be made in great numbers due to their simplicity in materials and design. If I was trying to sell you some H&K BS I'm sure the OP would have asked for it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:28:54 PM EDT
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Well it popped out enough bullets to end the Reich.
It popped out enough bullets to be a favored pick up of the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS on the Eastern Front.
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:36:57 PM EDT
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An SMG that weighs almost as much as an M1 and a complicated Russian gun. Try a Sten. Simple, made in back room shops, and made from left-over pipe scraps. Complicated Russian gun... 
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:44:01 PM EDT
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Well it popped out enough bullets to end the Reich. It popped out enough bullets to be a favored pick up of the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS on the Eastern Front. I'm sure all of the other countries that helped would like some credit! Russia didn't win the war on it's own, and they didn't supply weapons to the rest of the allies! Also is now a bad time to point out that something like twice as many Russians died as Germans? I'm thinking the tsunami of Russian blood and corpse-parts may have helped them. As for the PPSH-41 being a favorite pickup, yhea, it was. They captured them in droves during the initial 1941 ass-kicking they dished out, and already had compatible ammunition (7.63mm Mauser) in the supply line. It made a nice weapon for troops otherwise only equipped with a bolt action rifle to grab up. Russians had no problem picking up German weapons either, BTW! They were putting Kar-98K rifles into service whenever they had the chance, even though it didn't shoot ammunition they had on hand. |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 11:19:11 PM EDT
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In terms of body count either the MP-40 or Suomi, a LOT of Russians died up close and personal. The Finns or The Germans put most of them in the dirt.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:46:08 AM EDT
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Suomi M31
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:47:12 AM EDT
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Suomi M31 This |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:50:18 AM EDT
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Where have I seen this thread before?
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Posted: 7/23/2011 3:08:13 AM EDT
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I thought these Best of WWII threads died yesterday?
Never understood the Thompson love. It is heavy and its LOP is suitable for gorillas only. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 3:17:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: This is what arfcom would do to a PeePeeshaw Which one of you sick bastards did this? Truth is stranger than fiction:  IIRC the story associated with this stated it was actually used in house clearing. Looks like it wouldn't be the only one either...link |
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