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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:28:42 PM EST
IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage and my personal favorite The Butcher Bird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWnHma45fk&feature=player_profilepage 
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:29:57 PM EST
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Imbedded for you.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:31:05 PM EST
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All I know about those planes is that they are freaking huge.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:32:56 PM EST
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IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:33:22 PM EST
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Quoted: All I know about those planes is that they are freaking huge. Oh I bet you know more about them than that. You probably know that they fly, have engines, use fuel, can carry more than one person often times, sometimes are armed, can be launched off of a ship at sea...  |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:34:54 PM EST
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IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. He said prop-driven CAS/Strike aircraft ever. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:35:34 PM EST
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IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. He said prop-driven CAS/Strike aircraft ever.  I has the stupid.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:37:27 PM EST
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Quoted: Warning: NSFWQuoted: IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:40:23 PM EST
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Its all about the ordinance you carry.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:42:31 PM EST
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Nothing more beautiful for a downed pilot than these two coming to the dance together... 
THIS IS SANDY 03, COMING IN HOT! |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:42:38 PM EST
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Quoted: Its all about the ordinance you carry. http://www.fototime.com/EEE60E15C2FB0C4/orig.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2289/2147801774_32a662f77d.jpg Getting one of those dropped on you will turn your day to shit real ricky-tic. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:45:06 PM EST
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Its all about the ordinance you carry. http://www.fototime.com/EEE60E15C2FB0C4/orig.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2289/2147801774_32a662f77d.jpg I would've love to see the look on Charlie's face when he saw that toilet coming at him... "Oh Shit!" *CRASH* 
Talk about a shitty day in the boonies.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:46:10 PM EST
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Warning: NSFW
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IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=335GdTqtyLs
I laughed. Good song.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:46:50 PM EST
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Sadly,the pilot of that aircraft was lost on strike over North Vietnam. Originally Posted By USM
C88-93: Its all about the ordinance you carry. http://www.fototime.com/EEE60E15C2FB0C4/orig.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2289/2147801774_32a662f77d.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:49:40 PM EST
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My dad was aboard the Hancock in 1958 with VA(AW)-35 helping to hold the heathen communist Chinese at bay when they were threatening to invade Formosa (Taiwan). They were shelling the Nationalist Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu, and really rattling the war saber. Here he is supervising the loading of a "belly tank" on a Skyraider. Twenty years later he told me that was actually an atomic bomb that his squadron of "Spads" was to deliver by loft bombing if the balloon went up. Fortunately the idea of a prop plane lofting a bomb and surviving the getaway never had to be tried out for real. All the planes capable of carrying nukes normally flew CAP missions armed with nukes and pre-briefed on targets if they got the word to make some Chinese stir fry. You can tell that the "belly tank" is way too clean to actually be a frequently used fuel tank. Those engines dripped a lot of dirty oil out in front of the firewall and down onto the belly tanks. The wind stream then blew the black oil streaks back along the tank and everywhere else. This was most likely a semi-staged photo-op for the cruise book. There's hundreds of other similar "as it happened" pictures in the book. I still have his red ordnance jersey with the squadron stencil on it. That same year, in Coronado CA, I saw a burning Skyraider fly overhead trailing black smoke. It crashed on the beach near the Hotel Del Coronado, short of the runway at North Island NAS. The pilot died. By the time I got there the only things left were the tail, wing tips, and engine.  |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:52:03 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Warning: NSFWQuoted: IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=335GdTqtyLsI laughed. Good song. Dos Gringos are great guys. They are both Viper (F16) Jocks who noticed going through flight school that their generation didn't have any fighter pilot songs, so they wrote some. They are both in the same squad and on active duty I believe. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 11:49:11 PM EST
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All I know about those planes is that they are freaking huge. Oh I bet you know more about them than that. You probably know that they fly, have engines, use fuel, can carry more than one person often times, sometimes are armed, can be launched off of a ship at sea... I actually did not know they were launched from carriers. Didn't think they had the power. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 11:56:29 PM EST
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IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. Strike and CAS are distinctive missions with different parameters; although platforms often do both. What makes a good strike platform may not make a good CAS platform. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 11:57:59 PM EST
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I honestly think a skyraider would have some utility on a modern battlefield.
I think those guys in Somalia could have used a couple spads on station. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 12:05:08 AM EST
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I'll never forget the intro for a new Wing Commander at Eglin AFB.
He had flown 135 combat missions in SE Asia in the Skyraider. Balls the size of church bells! |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 12:38:41 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All I know about those planes is that they are freaking huge. Oh I bet you know more about them than that. You probably know that they fly, have engines, use fuel, can carry more than one person often times, sometimes are armed, can be launched off of a ship at sea... I actually did not know they were launched from carriers. Didn't think they had the power.                  My dad also was in a squadron that flew these North American AJ Savage attack planes. They had 2 piston engines and a turbojet in the tail, in order to lift off with the 10,000 lb "Fat Man" atomic bombs they had back then.    |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:07:46 AM EST
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The Able Dog, aka the "SPAD" was the finest, most combat effective, piston engined day attack bomber ever built. No nation ever produced its equal...until the advent of jets.
To really understand the genesis of the AD you must go back to the final years of WW II. The American Fleet was roaring across the Pacific sinking the enemy, bombing the islands and shooting down his planes. The primary bomber of that period (after the retirement of the Douglas SBD) was the Curtiss SB2C "Helldiver"...aka "The Beast" or Pig. The Navy was not entirely happy with the Helldiver even if it was faster than the SBD and could carry a larger load internally. It was a bitch to fly and many pilots wished for their little Dauntlesses. Late in the war, Douglas Aircraft's great design team led by Ed Heinemann (of SBD/A4/F5 Skyray/A3...and many more great planes) designed the AD to take back the attack bomber role from Curtiss (And Grumman as it turns out!). They decided to use the monster Wright R-3350 engine making about 3,000 hp to power a single seater. Taking out the gunner reduced weight greatly. The plane had huge internal fuel cells that could be augmented by external tanks. It could carry more than it's own weight in ordnance. It had four permanently mounted 20mm cannon. It replace both the Beast and the Avenger because it also carried aerial torpedoes. The AD was used as an attack bomber, an ASW search plane, an AEW patrol plane, tanker and all around taxi. It was also configured to carry the Mk-7 nuclear weapon...a role that an old AD driver told me he did not relish. In Korea, ADs torpedoed a dam. Like the Dauntless, pilots loved the flying characteristics of the SPAD. It had a huge wing that conferred good handling at a very slow landing speed. My dad used to build them at the Douglas plant in El Segundo, CA after the war. Awesome plane. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:19:50 AM EST
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Front fell off. 
Kharn |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:28:25 AM EST
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All I know about those planes is that they are freaking huge. ...and they kill Mustangs. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:31:29 AM EST
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My little but of Skyraider trivia: Different configurations carried a pilot in an enclosed cockpit, a pilot and another person (either a radar operator or a co-pilot), and a pilot and two other crew. The AD/A-5 could carry a crew of four, plus four passengers or 12 troops, four stretchers, or 2,000 pounds of cargo.
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:35:44 AM EST
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Skyraider replacement.
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:47:40 AM EST
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My dad was aboard the Hancock in 1958 with VA(AW)-35 helping to hold the heathen communist Chinese at bay when they were threatening to invade Formosa (Taiwan). They were shelling the Nationalist Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu, and really rattling the war saber. Here he is supervising the loading of a "belly tank" on a Skyraider. Twenty years later he told me that was actually an atomic bomb that his squadron of "Spads" was to deliver by loft bombing if the balloon went up. Fortunately the idea of a prop plane lofting a bomb and surviving the getaway never had to be tried out for real. All the planes capable of carrying nukes normally flew CAP missions armed with nukes and pre-briefed on targets if they got the word to make some Chinese stir fry. You can tell that the "belly tank" is way too clean to actually be a frequently used fuel tank. Those engines dripped a lot of dirty oil out in front of the firewall and down onto the belly tanks. The wind stream then blew the black oil streaks back along the tank and everywhere else. This was most likely a semi-staged photo-op for the cruise book. There's hundreds of other similar "as it happened" pictures in the book. I still have his red ordnance jersey with the squadron stencil on it. That same year, in Coronado CA, I saw a burning Skyraider fly overhead trailing black smoke. It crashed on the beach near the Hotel Del Coronado, short of the runway at North Island NAS. The pilot died. By the time I got there the only things left were the tail, wing tips, and engine. Sorry, that is a belly tank. All nucs of that era had a radar in the nose and that doesn't. Also, Nuc loading teams wore film badges which none of those guys have. Drop tankss were loaded by hand but real weapons were loaded by hoist. And last, but not least, photographs would not have been permitted to be used in a Cruise book. Mk 7 
Mk 12 
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Posted: 8/14/2011 5:25:38 AM EST
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Skyraider flue through the Big Beautiful Doll. (p51) and landed. few months ago
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Posted: 8/14/2011 5:41:30 AM EST
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IMHO the most effective prop driven CAS, Strike, aircraft ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYO8IfQj_A&feature=player_profilepage I disagree. The A-10 is the greatest CAS, Strike aircraft ever. With the AH64D being close second. Strike and CAS are distinctive missions with different parameters; although platforms often do both. What makes a good strike platform may not make a good CAS platform. and let the congregation say, amen. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:20:18 AM EST
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All I know about those planes is that they are freaking huge. Oh I bet you know more about them than that. You probably know that they fly, have engines, use fuel, can carry more than one person often times, sometimes are armed, can be launched off of a ship at sea...
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:25:54 AM EST
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Not so great for CAS. Needs a gun! Why they didnt ever put one on there, beats me. Did they ever carry gun pods?? |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:31:33 AM EST
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Greatest piston-powered CAS aircraft in history?
Don't forget the grand-daddy of them all, folks. (And her most famous pilot!).
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:36:03 AM EST
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IIRC, it had something like eight hours of loiter time-it's almost like the pilot had a regular office job.
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:40:22 AM EST
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Sandy low league this is cole 505. The scene with the skyraiders is one of the best scenes in the movie! |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:44:25 AM EST
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Pilot: "Shit. I'm going to have a little talk with the crew chief about remembering to use ALL the bolts to mount the engine. " |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 8:46:34 AM EST
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How has the P-47 not been mentioned in a CAS thread?
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Posted: 8/14/2011 9:05:56 AM EST
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My contribution from the Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, FL. Highly recommended if you're ever in town.
A few of the gentlemen giving the tours have piloted the Skyraider in combat and are very fond of it. 
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Posted: 8/14/2011 9:16:28 AM EST
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Posted: 8/14/2011 11:43:49 AM EST
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Not so great for CAS. Needs a gun! Why they didnt ever put one on there, beats me. Did they ever carry gun pods?? I got in on the ground floor with the A6A in 1964 & I don't think I ever saw a gun pod mounted on one. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 11:49:49 AM EST
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Who sits in the back?
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Posted: 8/14/2011 1:29:54 PM EST
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Quoted: http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/hammerman_01/AJ-2ofCompositeSquadronSixVC-6crashingonthedeckofUSSEssexCV-9losingengineandtank.jpg Pilot: "Shit. I'm going to have a little talk with the crew chief about remembering to use ALL the bolts to mount the engine. " Pilot: "Chief, the port engine is missing a little." Chief: "Confirmed, the port engine is missing .......... completely." |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 1:36:33 PM EST
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Who sits in the back? I don't know much about the A1 but I'd guess it depends on the model, I would guess it is most likely to be an EWO or radar operator. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 1:56:58 PM EST
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Quoted: 100% correct.Quoted: My dad was aboard the Hancock in 1958 with VA(AW)-35 helping to hold the heathen communist Chinese at bay when they were threatening to invade Formosa (Taiwan). They were shelling the Nationalist Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu, and really rattling the war saber. Here he is supervising the loading of a "belly tank" on a Skyraider. Twenty years later he told me that was actually an atomic bomb that his squadron of "Spads" was to deliver by loft bombing if the balloon went up. Fortunately the idea of a prop plane lofting a bomb and surviving the getaway never had to be tried out for real. All the planes capable of carrying nukes normally flew CAP missions armed with nukes and pre-briefed on targets if they got the word to make some Chinese stir fry. You can tell that the "belly tank" is way too clean to actually be a frequently used fuel tank. Those engines dripped a lot of dirty oil out in front of the firewall and down onto the belly tanks. The wind stream then blew the black oil streaks back along the tank and everywhere else. This was most likely a semi-staged photo-op for the cruise book. There's hundreds of other similar "as it happened" pictures in the book. I still have his red ordnance jersey with the squadron stencil on it. That same year, in Coronado CA, I saw a burning Skyraider fly overhead trailing black smoke. It crashed on the beach near the Hotel Del Coronado, short of the runway at North Island NAS. The pilot died. By the time I got there the only things left were the tail, wing tips, and engine. Sorry, that is a belly tank. All nucs of that era had a radar in the nose and that doesn't. Also, Nuc loading teams wore film badges which none of those guys have. Drop tankss were loaded by hand but real weapons were loaded by hoist. And last, but not least, photographs would not have been permitted to be used in a Cruise book. Mk 7 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/Jerrschmitt/Navy/B7.jpg Mk 12 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/Jerrschmitt/Navy/Mk12.jpg |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:02:23 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm-Fb_0CHAw
Sandy low league LEAD this is cole 505. The scene with the skyraiders is one of the best scenes in the movie! What is this? Songs you almost know all the words to? LEAD as in LEADER... Sheesh! Sandy Low Lead this is Cole 505, strafe what you can see and expedite, By back is broken, I'm all used up, they got that ZSU parked right on top of me. I'm poppin smoke, Lay it on me Sandy, I'd do it for you.... Alpha, Mike, Foxtrot 
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:21:13 PM EST
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The rescue of Major Myers at battle of Ashau is one of the most bizarre, unconventional method of search and rescue in the Vietnam war. For his gallantry, Maj. Bernard Fisher was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Lyndon B. Johnson on January 19, 1967
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:21:34 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: 100% correct.Quoted: My dad was aboard the Hancock in 1958 with VA(AW)-35 helping to hold the heathen communist Chinese at bay when they were threatening to invade Formosa (Taiwan). They were shelling the Nationalist Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu, and really rattling the war saber. Here he is supervising the loading of a "belly tank" on a Skyraider. Twenty years later he told me that was actually an atomic bomb that his squadron of "Spads" was to deliver by loft bombing if the balloon went up. Fortunately the idea of a prop plane lofting a bomb and surviving the getaway never had to be tried out for real. All the planes capable of carrying nukes normally flew CAP missions armed with nukes and pre-briefed on targets if they got the word to make some Chinese stir fry. You can tell that the "belly tank" is way too clean to actually be a frequently used fuel tank. Those engines dripped a lot of dirty oil out in front of the firewall and down onto the belly tanks. The wind stream then blew the black oil streaks back along the tank and everywhere else. This was most likely a semi-staged photo-op for the cruise book. There's hundreds of other similar "as it happened" pictures in the book. I still have his red ordnance jersey with the squadron stencil on it. That same year, in Coronado CA, I saw a burning Skyraider fly overhead trailing black smoke. It crashed on the beach near the Hotel Del Coronado, short of the runway at North Island NAS. The pilot died. By the time I got there the only things left were the tail, wing tips, and engine. Sorry, that is a belly tank. All nucs of that era had a radar in the nose and that doesn't. Also, Nuc loading teams wore film badges which none of those guys have. Drop tankss were loaded by hand but real weapons were loaded by hoist. And last, but not least, photographs would not have been permitted to be used in a Cruise book. Mk 7 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/Jerrschmitt/Navy/B7.jpg Mk 12 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/Jerrschmitt/Navy/Mk12.jpg I'm going with what my own father told me, and by the fact that an avionics chief was issued a red ordnance jersey because he personally checked the electrical interfaces between the bombs and the planes. I still have that red jersey. When he told me "that was actually an atomic bomb", his actual words, and went on to explain what his Spad squadron was supposed to do with them, he might have been speaking in general terms rather than about that specific picture. I've always thought he had referred to that specific picture because of some question I had asked him about the planes 20 years after he had retired from the Navy. Unless someone who was actually there and involved in putting nukes on Skyraiders in the South China Sea in the late 1950's shows up to professionally judge the picture and Dad's comment on it, we'll never know what's in the picture beyond a shadow of doubt. There were a lot of carriers and crews rotating in and out of the Formosa Crisis area for several years, but I fear most all of those men are dead now. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:24:34 PM EST
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My dad was aboard the Hancock in 1958 with VA(AW)-35 helping to hold the heathen communist Chinese at bay when they were threatening to invade Formosa (Taiwan). They were shelling the Nationalist Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu, and really rattling the war saber. Here he is supervising the loading of a "belly tank" on a Skyraider. Twenty years later he told me that was actually an atomic bomb that his squadron of "Spads" was to deliver by loft bombing if the balloon went up. Fortunately the idea of a prop plane lofting a bomb and surviving the getaway never had to be tried out for real. All the planes capable of carrying nukes normally flew CAP missions armed with nukes and pre-briefed on targets if they got the word to make some Chinese stir fry. You can tell that the "belly tank" is way too clean to actually be a frequently used fuel tank. Those engines dripped a lot of dirty oil out in front of the firewall and down onto the belly tanks. The wind stream then blew the black oil streaks back along the tank and everywhere else. This was most likely a semi-staged photo-op for the cruise book. There's hundreds of other similar "as it happened" pictures in the book. I still have his red ordnance jersey with the squadron stencil on it. That same year, in Coronado CA, I saw a burning Skyraider fly overhead trailing black smoke. It crashed on the beach near the Hotel Del Coronado, short of the runway at North Island NAS. The pilot died. By the time I got there the only things left were the tail, wing tips, and engine. Sorry, that is a belly tank. All nucs of that era had a radar in the nose and that doesn't. Also, Nuc loading teams wore film badges which none of those guys have. Drop tankss were loaded by hand but real weapons were loaded by hoist. And last, but not least, photographs would not have been permitted to be used in a Cruise book. Mk 7 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/Jerrschmitt/Navy/B7.jpg Mk 12 http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/Jerrschmitt/Navy/Mk12.jpg I'm going with what my own father told me, and by the fact that an avionics chief was issued a red ordnance jersey because he personally checked the electrical interfaces between the bombs and the planes. I still have that red jersey. When he told me "that was actually an atomic bomb", his actual words, and went on to explain what his Spad squadron was supposed to do with them, he might have been speaking in general terms rather than about that specific picture. I've always thought he had referred to that specific picture because of some question I had asked him about the planes 20 years after he had retired from the Navy. Unless someone who was actually there and involved in putting nukes on Skyraiders in the South China Sea in the late 1950's shows up to professionally judge the picture and Dad's comment on it, we'll never know what's in the picture beyond a shadow of doubt. There were a lot of carriers and crews rotating in and out of the Formosa Crisis area for several years, but I fear most all of those men are dead now. I know a veteran of one of the crises, but he served as an enlisted Marine infantryman. He thought they were going to end up having to do an amphibious landing but it never happened. He'd later go to Vietnam multiple times. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:28:31 PM EST
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Someone in my town owns one of these. Haven't seen it in a while because I go to the airport so infrequently now, but it's an A-1. Painted yellow.
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:33:02 PM EST
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Who sits in the back? Mom and pop in front, kids in back. Just like a station wagon. (as said by an old Spad Jocky) |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:42:26 PM EST
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one flew out of west palm beach some time ago.
it was located on the south side of the airport. it had VA 196 on the side of it. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 2:51:47 PM EST
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tagged for coolness
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