saw one in the EE and it got me thinking



not that I really NEED a PCC, but one of these or a Ruger PC-9 would be kinda neat. granted PC-9's are hard to find

I have 2 of the camp 9's and love them. Buy and instal blackjack buffers before anything. The factory buffers are crap.

The  .45acp one's use 1911 mags? I think

I've always wanted one but have never bought one.

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Shot a buddy's .45 Camp Carbine years ago.
Great little gun.

Fun little carbine.



Mine was most accurate with 115 and 124 g bullets out to 125 yards or so.



148 grain pills seemed to drop pretty quickly.
Pros :
Lightweight and quick pointing.



Fudd friendly



Pistol compatibility



High Capacity (30 rounds?) with S&W series 59 magazines.



Good size to teach kids with low recoil
Cons :
Ammo hungry- fun to shoot like a .22 but at 10x the cost.



Fudd looking unless you don't mind that.



Dirty, dirty little whores to clean up after.  Blow back design so there will be soot everywhere.



Magazine well etc is plastic.
They're a hoot to shoot, pretty accurate albeit at short range and very dependable with their simple blowback design.



I can't stand what a dirty little bastard they are though.  Power residue everywhere.
They also made them in .45ACP and I saw one in .40 S&W at a gunshow once as well.



There used to be a company that would integrally suppress them too.





 
 

Yep.

I think a drum would be cool.



Haven't seen you around much...



 

I had two of the .45 models but sold them both.  I kinda wish I'd kept one, but I never really could come up with a use for it besides it being fun to shoot.  While that would normally be enough for me to keep a gun, .45 wasn't getting any cheaper so I rarely shot them preferring to shoot my 1911s instead.  I ended up getting very good offers on them so I sold 'em both (and prices on them are even higher now).  They are dirty shooting guns though; after a couple hundred rounds you'd pretty much have to pull it out of the stock and blast it down with cleaner then re-oil it.

I take it then they are essentially a Marlin Model 795 or 60 on steriods?

For the current prices you can find better. Nothing against the gun they we're a deal back when they came out. They just have alot of limiting factors that newer pistol caliber guns have overcome and usually for less money.

Yes, this.



I forgot to mention another con though.

The trigger leaves a lot to be desired.  Somewhat heavy and a really vague "plastic-ish" break.

I wasn't expecting a slicked up two-stage by any means, but it's pretty crappy.





 

Yep, basically a scaled up Marlin .22 and I agree about the trigger although one of mine was an older model and had a much better fit and finish as well as the trigger pull.  I always worried a bit about dropping it and breaking the mag well too.  

If you want an inexpensive pistol caliber carbine in 9mm get a Kel-Tec; if you have the money get a Beretta Storm or a 9mm AR.

I sold mine, in the ee, because of the overly thick grip

For a stock I think they just buy any thick piece of lumber that resembles a gunstocks then inlet it <G>

I had a Camp 9 for several years.



The trigger was gritty, and VERY heavy on mine.



It was fun to plink with, but it wasn't as accurate as a much cheaper .22 LR, and even reloading, the ammunition cost far more than .22 LR ammo.



So basically, they are a range toy. Fun for awhile, but not very useful.



I suppose you could use it to hunt raccoons and the like, but I'd prefer to use a .22 WMRF

I love my .45 Camp Carbine. Handy, decent round, looks great.

Practical? Meh, but I love it anyway.

What he said.  I really like mine.  The only problem was with the magazines.  It seems that it doesn't like all 1911-type mags.  If the top back edge of the mag is sharp, it will bite into the mag safety lever on the rifle, making it impossible to insert any magazine afterwards.  I had to have mine machined down a little to get rid of the "bite".  Using factory mags I never had a problem.

Reasonably decent guns but demand has mostly driven prices up to unreasonable levels.

Shop I used to frequent had one that was missing some small part . I did a fairly intense search because I wanted to grab it up but no joy.

As suggested most folks would be better off to spend for a new or used Beretta . You get factory support,easier and more flexible optics mounting and
better resale

The bolt is too light and the carbines are undersprung for a straight blowback. The factory buffers are also crap and by now will have disintergrated, even if the carbine was only lightly used.

If you buy one, replace the factory buffer with a Blackjack buffer BEFORE you fire a single round through the gun.

For the 9mm you may also want to replace the recoil spring with a heavier Wolf spring to reduce how much the bolt batters the receiver. I forgot the recommended spring weights now.

For the .45 ACP you ABSOLUTELY should replace the original, undersprung, spring with a heavier Wolf spring. The .45 guns are WAY undersprung.

I did a bunch of research on the 9mm and .45 guns while I was looking for one to buy. I finally found a 9mm in nice shape. Took it apart and, sure enough, the buffer was in pieces. I replaced the buffer and upgraded the spring and it ran pretty well after that. The new spring did make cocking it more difficult.

On mine the trigger was kinda bad. I thought my wife would like it, but she prefered her M-1 Carbine, and I didn't really care for it much myself, so we sold it.

They are a pain to strip and reassemble, btw. Don't try it without first donwloading instructions.

After owning one I can say I liked them more in theory than in practice. There are just some problems with the design (undersprung, bad trigger, PITA to take apart) that cut down on the fun for me.

I keep mine for suppression, but it's the .45.  I prefer the Kel-tec for the 9mm.

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Shot my first buck with a .45 ACP model.  They're fun as hell to shoot, IMO.

It seems easier and cheaper to find Ruger PCs now.

 There are a couple other options not mentioned yet like the JRC or Olympic and Lone Wolf Glock mag ARs. TNW is supposed to have their Aero Survival Rifle that takes Glock mags available soon as well. Wiselite and Century Sterlings and UZIs might be worth a look too.

 Of course,is you already have a Glock or 1911,I've had great luck with my Mech Tech CCU.

Someone should release a survival rifle and call it the "FEMA Camp Carbine."