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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:36:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:38:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:38:17 PM EDT
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A line at center ice dividing the rink in two halves of 100' each.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:38:34 PM EDT
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________________________________________________________________________ ^ That is a red line ^ |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:39:00 PM EDT
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The red line should be defined as our interests. If it does not involve us or is not a threat to us / allies/ interests we should not get involved.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:39:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: At what level does a government's actions require the US to step in? what % of the population must die? 10? 50? 90? Or is it a hard number, like 100 million? Is there no action by a sovereign government against its own population that warrants a response? 
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:40:22 PM EDT
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When 87% of the population has been murdered, big brother will FO.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:40:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:40:42 PM EDT
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Any threat to the US? Any benefit to the US? No? Probably not a good idea to start a war about it.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:40:53 PM EDT
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A horrible movie starring some guys that should of done better.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:41:29 PM EDT
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Obviously something to be crossed
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:42:23 PM EDT
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Never
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:44:33 PM EDT
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Well, when they'd step over the restricted area line at a PL1 resource, I knew what to do.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:45:18 PM EDT
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why does the US need to step in?
I wouldn't trade 1 US life for syria our politicians will fuck things up and accomplish nothing |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:45:54 PM EDT
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Its what the fuckhead in the WH said when he opened his dumbass mouth to sound cool and now can't back down so the Russians are going to be waiting for us in order to make up for thier equipment and allies doing so badly in the last couple of wars. They hate what we did in their Afghanistan war, they hate how we busted Iraq's ass, and now are going to show thay are still relevant in Syria. And our little boy in chief community organizer is most likely going to get some damn good people killed (again) over his immaturity.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:47:12 PM EDT
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Obama doesn't like your questions, you must be racist. The answer is obvious, when over a 100K civilians die from conventional warfare it's not a red line, but when 2k or less die from WMDs the red line has been crossed. Does that explain it? Do you understand now?
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:47:58 PM EDT
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the red line is a dc metro line
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Obama doesn't like your questions, you must be racist. The answer is obvious, when over a 100K civilians die from conventional warfare it's not a red line, but when 2k or less die from WMDs the red line has been crossed. Does that explain it? fair. but why? because chemical weapons make the use of US Ground forces harder to use anywhere, ergo, punishing their use makes it less likely they will do so? I am down with that. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:49:40 PM EDT
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Any threat to the US? Any benefit to the US? No? Probably not a good idea to start a war about it. Probably this |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:50:04 PM EDT
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fair. but why? because chemical weapons make the use of US Ground forces harder to use anywhere, ergo, punishing their use makes it less likely they will do so? I am down with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama doesn't like your questions, you must be racist. The answer is obvious, when over a 100K civilians die from conventional warfare it's not a red line, but when 2k or less die from WMDs the red line has been crossed. Does that explain it? fair. but why? because chemical weapons make the use of US Ground forces harder to use anywhere, ergo, punishing their use makes it less likely they will do so? I am down with that. Because, Obama says so. You understand? |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:50:43 PM EDT
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Obviously it lays somewhere between Darfur and Warsaw.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:52:44 PM EDT
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The "red line" is crossed once the checks written by a blow-hard's big mouth come back to be cashed and then everyone realizes that said blow hard is too big of a pussy to do anything. At that point the blow hard tries to save his "legacy" by attempting to stir up support for an action he doesn't want to take while looking for someone else to blame his inaction on.
That's my understanding of "red lines" these days here in the Good Ol' US of A... |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:55:35 PM EDT
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It is a buzz word, just like conversation, spiral development, enterprise solution, so on and so forth.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 1:59:40 PM EDT
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It's about 4" wide. If you cross it outside of the ECP, you will have an interesting experience with the SPs.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:03:15 PM EDT
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Obviously something to be crossed When did you move and why? |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:03:28 PM EDT
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Why does it have to be red, or any color?
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:03:41 PM EDT
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Quoted:
At what level does a government's actions require the US to step in? what % of the population must die? 10? 50? 90? Or is it a hard number, like 100 million? Is there no action by a sovereign government against its own population that warrants a response? Of course it warrants a response. Why must it come from us? Why should we do the dirty, expensive work when there are others with more skin in the game than us? Why should we avenge either side when both are sworn enemies of ours? If they weren't busy killing each other, they'd be busy trying to get to us. Benghazi warranted a response. Shooting down a helicopter full of SEALs warranted a response. Thugs killing innocents everyday in this country warrant at least as much of a response as the Zimmerman/Martin circus. But there is none. This administration has an agenda which is deep, dark and secret. I never expect the Obama government to do the right thing. Just the thing that benefits their purposes. He may do the right thing, but never for the right reason. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:05:44 PM EDT
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Of course it warrants a response. Why must it come from us? Why should we do the dirty, expensive work when there are others with more skin in the game than us? Why should we avenge either side when both are sworn enemies of ours? If they weren't busy killing each other, they'd be busy trying to get to us. Benghazi warranted a response. Shooting down a helicopter full of SEALs warranted a response. Thugs killing innocents everyday in this country warrant at least as much of a response as the Zimmerman/Martin circus. But there is none. This administration has an agenda which is deep, dark and secret. I never expect the Obama government to do the right thing. Just the thing that benefits their purposes. He may do the right thing, but never for the right reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At what level does a government's actions require the US to step in? what % of the population must die? 10? 50? 90? Or is it a hard number, like 100 million? Is there no action by a sovereign government against its own population that warrants a response? Of course it warrants a response. Why must it come from us? Why should we do the dirty, expensive work when there are others with more skin in the game than us? Why should we avenge either side when both are sworn enemies of ours? If they weren't busy killing each other, they'd be busy trying to get to us. Benghazi warranted a response. Shooting down a helicopter full of SEALs warranted a response. Thugs killing innocents everyday in this country warrant at least as much of a response as the Zimmerman/Martin circus. But there is none. This administration has an agenda which is deep, dark and secret. I never expect the Obama government to do the right thing. Just the thing that benefits their purposes. He may do the right thing, but never for the right reason. Hey it's like the FSA here in the US, when we assumed their defense we assumed their responsibility also. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:10:01 PM EDT
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Why would you announce where the red line is? Someone might call your bluff, amateur...
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:10:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:11:52 PM EDT
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You might find your answer in this pesky little document:
Bet since it is a whole 4 pages long, it may be to much reading for a man of your character. 
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:17:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
You might find your answer in this pesky little document: http://www.constitutionday.com/images/us_constitution/us_constitution_01_small.gif Bet since it is a whole 4 pages long, it may be to much reading for a man of your character. http://coxrare.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/obamareadingmeme.jpg?w=891 Obama changes the red line before he left for golf....... http://media.pennlive.com/capitol-notebook/photo/12668605-large.jpg |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:37:46 PM EDT
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100% must die before we do anything.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
fair. but why? because chemical weapons make the use of US Ground forces harder to use anywhere, ergo, punishing their use makes it less likely they will do so? I am down with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama doesn't like your questions, you must be racist. The answer is obvious, when over a 100K civilians die from conventional warfare it's not a red line, but when 2k or less die from WMDs the red line has been crossed. Does that explain it? fair. but why? because chemical weapons make the use of US Ground forces harder to use anywhere, ergo, punishing their use makes it less likely they will do so? I am down with that. A (small L/international relations) liberal reason is because every use of chemical weapons makes future use easier, and the indiscriminate nature of such attacks adversely affects civilian populations far in excess of the military utility of such attacks. So attacking the users conventionally discourages their use in general. Of course, you need the international community to rally in order to actually make that work. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:50:07 PM EDT
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Alex, I'll take things Obama shouldn't have said for $200.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:53:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:56:16 PM EDT
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When the EBT cards stop working.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:03:41 PM EDT
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It is a buzz word, just like conversation, spiral development, enterprise solution, so on and so forth. Its a legitimate point. There should be a point at which a country will act. Obviously you have traditional causus belli. But we have liberal offensives where we act in purely interventionist modes. We went into Somalia. We went into LIbya. We went into Bosnia We went into Kosovo. We went into Lebanon. So, waty determines when we go in and when we don't? Whats the metric? |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:04:52 PM EDT
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Vmc
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Its a legitimate point. There should be a point at which a country will act. Obviously you have traditional causus belli. But we have liberal offensives where we act in purely interventionist modes. We went into Somalia. We went into LIbya. We went into Bosnia We went into Kosovo. We went into Lebanon. So, waty determines when we go in and when we don't? Whats the metric? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a buzz word, just like conversation, spiral development, enterprise solution, so on and so forth. Its a legitimate point. There should be a point at which a country will act. Obviously you have traditional causus belli. But we have liberal offensives where we act in purely interventionist modes. We went into Somalia. We went into LIbya. We went into Bosnia We went into Kosovo. We went into Lebanon. So, waty determines when we go in and when we don't? Whats the metric? We went into Panama We went into Grenada |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:09:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Its a legitimate point. There should be a point at which a country will act. Obviously you have traditional causus belli. But we have liberal offensives where we act in purely interventionist modes. We went into Somalia. We went into LIbya. We went into Bosnia We went into Kosovo. We went into Lebanon. So, waty determines when we go in and when we don't? Whats the metric? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a buzz word, just like conversation, spiral development, enterprise solution, so on and so forth. Its a legitimate point. There should be a point at which a country will act. Obviously you have traditional causus belli. But we have liberal offensives where we act in purely interventionist modes. We went into Somalia. We went into LIbya. We went into Bosnia We went into Kosovo. We went into Lebanon. So, waty determines when we go in and when we don't? Whats the metric? It's the newest buzz word for the previously used DoS (and limited DoD term) of trip wires. In 08, DoD was asked to define its "red lines" for spending it could not go beyond. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:14:22 PM EDT
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When did you move and why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously something to be crossed When did you move and why? They had better schools |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:14:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's the newest buzz word for the previously used DoS (and limited DoD term) of trip wires. In 08, DoD was asked to define its "red lines" for spending it could not go beyond. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a buzz word, just like conversation, spiral development, enterprise solution, so on and so forth. Its a legitimate point. There should be a point at which a country will act. Obviously you have traditional causus belli. But we have liberal offensives where we act in purely interventionist modes. We went into Somalia. We went into LIbya. We went into Bosnia We went into Kosovo. We went into Lebanon. So, waty determines when we go in and when we don't? Whats the metric? It's the newest buzz word for the previously used DoS (and limited DoD term) of trip wires. In 08, DoD was asked to define its "red lines" for spending it could not go beyond. agreed. I am not talking about the literal phrase but what it represents in the current case. I am talking about what is the legitimate causus belli both within international law and national will when your own sovereignty isn't violated. The french in Mali. The ausies in E. Timor. we obviously have done it as many times as we have ignored it. Grenada was anti-communism in the western hemisphere. legitimately a threat to the interests in the United States. Panama was a reply to direct attacks upon american citizens. different examples. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:22:00 PM EDT
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When it is people who want to kill us killing other people who want to kill us, you just let them sort it out until there are no more virgins...or the snack bar closes.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:22:06 PM EDT
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I don't think you can define a point, because each and every circumstance is different. Say we automatically go in when 100K are killed, what happens when China suppresses a uprising and they kill a million or the Russians decide to use chemicals to suppress one of their various hots spots?
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:24:16 PM EDT
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It was a stupid thing for Our Messiah to have said.
Was this the equivalent of Eisenhower saying "falling dominoes"? Every day he acts more and more like LBJ. Gulf of Tonkin resolution, anyone? |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:24:54 PM EDT
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I would hate not to be a gun owner,,,
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