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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:49:12 AM EST
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Against. We need less regulation, not more.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:49:16 AM EST
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WTF is a smart gun?
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:49:49 AM EST
[#3]
Fucking 13er's.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:50:14 AM EST
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Against. We need less regulation, not more. While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:51:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Against. We need less regulation, not more. While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. Then elect people who want to repeal the NFA, but are willing to compromise by reopening the registry. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:53:03 AM EST
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You have to register your machine guns in Somalia? I would not have expected that.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:53:31 AM EST
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You have to register your machine guns in Somalia? I would not have expected that. ATF has reach everywhere. 
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:53:37 AM EST
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:57:37 AM EST
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And the smart gun tech would never be used in anything else besides a machine gun of course.
Liberals are great at taking away a bit here and a bit there. Most of it isn't huge like Obamacare. But you look back and realize everything you have lost. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:58:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Against. We need less regulation, not more. While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. I recommend against compromising your principles. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:58:18 AM EST
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Fucking 13er's. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:01:33 AM EST
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Against. We need less regulation, not more. Repealing the 86 in exchange for machine guns to be smart equipped I don't think is "more regulation".... it would be significantly less. Right now you can't even get a machine gun unless if you buy pre-86 and go through a PITA process and have a ton of money. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:03:27 AM EST
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When proposing "reform" of the law it helps to actually understand it.
There is no "machine gun registry'. There is a list of firearms which have been registered in conformance with the NFA. Adding "smart guns" to the list of firearms regulated by the NFA would not mean that new transferable "machine guns" could be made for civillian ownership. All that would accomplish would be to make ownership of "smart guns" more difficult. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:03:49 AM EST
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WTF is a smart gun? http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/M56_Smartgun http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131006031514/avp/images/5/57/M56_smartgun.jpg  Sign me up then. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:05:25 AM EST
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While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against. We need less regulation, not more. While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. The intent of most gun laws, and particularly the NFA, is to tell you, Mr Law Abiding Citizen, to go fuck yourself. They can't personally go door-to-door, because that would take time away from telling other tribes to go fuck themselves, so they craft useless legislation. They (Democrats) are not going to undo that. For any reason. They won't even agree to allow rapidly dying off vets to register pre-68 antiques. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:05:37 AM EST
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:08:13 AM EST
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Fucking 13er's. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:12:07 AM EST
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When proposing "reform" of the law it helps to actually understand it. There is no "machine gun registry'. There is a list of firearms which have been registered in conformance with the NFA. Adding "smart guns" to the list of firearms regulated by the NFA would not mean that new transferable "machine guns" could be made for civillian ownership. All that would accomplish would be to make ownership of "smart guns" more difficult. I read it as in the OP is stating that what if machine guns are treated just like semi automatic weapons in terms of civilian ownership (ie repealing the 86, no more NFA of MG's, stamps etc) in exchange that all new machine guns are equipped with smart gun technology. Maybe I read wrong. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:12:27 AM EST
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I recommend against compromising your principles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against. We need less regulation, not more. While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. I recommend against compromising your principles. I agree, in principle.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:13:29 AM EST
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The amount of mental gymnastics required to turn more regulation into a good thing is clearly a trait of a professional self-defeatist.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:15:43 AM EST
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The amount of mental gymnastics required to turn more regulation into a good thing is clearly a trait of a professional self-defeatist. Only if you see the repealing of prohibition (21st amendment) as "more regulation." |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:18:15 AM EST
[#22]
13 er's again
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:19:00 AM EST
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Only if you see the repealing of prohibition (21st amendment) as "more regulation." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The amount of mental gymnastics required to turn more regulation into a good thing is clearly a trait of a professional self-defeatist. Only if you see the repealing of prohibition (21st amendment) as "more regulation." Amputating a foot to gain a prosthetic hand is not a victory. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:22:21 AM EST
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I read it as in the OP is stating that what if machine guns are treated just like semi automatic weapons in terms of civilian ownership (ie repealing the 86, no more NFA of MG's, stamps etc) in exchange that all new machine guns are equipped with smart gun technology. Maybe I read wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When proposing "reform" of the law it helps to actually understand it. There is no "machine gun registry'. There is a list of firearms which have been registered in conformance with the NFA. Adding "smart guns" to the list of firearms regulated by the NFA would not mean that new transferable "machine guns" could be made for civillian ownership. All that would accomplish would be to make ownership of "smart guns" more difficult. I read it as in the OP is stating that what if machine guns are treated just like semi automatic weapons in terms of civilian ownership (ie repealing the 86, no more NFA of MG's, stamps etc) in exchange that all new machine guns are equipped with smart gun technology. Maybe I read wrong. Simply opening the registry to XYZ doesn't eliminate the '34 NFA (or '68 import bans). |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:42:24 AM EST
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Amputating a foot to gain a prosthetic hand is not a victory. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The amount of mental gymnastics required to turn more regulation into a good thing is clearly a trait of a professional self-defeatist. Only if you see the repealing of prohibition (21st amendment) as "more regulation." Amputating a foot to gain a prosthetic hand is not a victory. You aren't amputating a foot. You're getting a prosthetic hand while natural hands are still prohibited. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:47:39 AM EST
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You aren't amputating a foot. You're getting a prosthetic hand while natural hands are still prohibited. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The amount of mental gymnastics required to turn more regulation into a good thing is clearly a trait of a professional self-defeatist. Only if you see the repealing of prohibition (21st amendment) as "more regulation." Amputating a foot to gain a prosthetic hand is not a victory. You aren't amputating a foot. You're getting a prosthetic hand while natural hands are still prohibited. Other than cool factor machine guns are of no use to regular people under most circumstances. Full-auto is meant for use in fire suppression and I can't think of any reason that I would need that capability. OTOH the ability to shoot with your weak hand is VERY important to normal people in SD/HD situations where your primary hand may become injured. Even if the registry was opened up tomorrow for MG's I wouldn't buy one as I don't want to feed it unless it cost no more than a semi-auto version in which case I would buy it for shits and grins. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:54:55 AM EST
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The whole idea of a "smart gun" is joke. The technology is no where near mature enough to call a gun a "smart gun".
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:06:51 AM EST
[#28]
Honestly, I'm against my Congressman voting for any piece of legislation at this point.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:08:20 AM EST
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Fucking 13er's. 
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:16:57 AM EST
[#30]
Poll Fail.
No option for "I am stupider for having read this." |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:19:29 AM EST
[#31]
I support smart guns for cops. I support machine guns for civilians.
I do not support your proposed legislation. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:20:01 AM EST
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Against. We need less regulation, not more. FPDAMMMMNI ETA We need to get of the '34 NFA, the '68 GCA and the '86 FOPA It's all a bunch of crap. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:21:04 AM EST
[#33]
That sounds like compromise.
Fuck compromise. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:26:28 AM EST
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:27:01 AM EST
[#35]
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That sounds like compromise. Fuck compromise. Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:30:03 AM EST
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Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds like compromise. Fuck compromise. Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. This is how you get ants. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:30:11 AM EST
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Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds like compromise. Fuck compromise. Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. What you are saying is that it would be ok to get fucked in the ass because they would give us a reach around. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:32:33 AM EST
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Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds like compromise. Fuck compromise. Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. Go back to DU 13er. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:37:03 AM EST
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Unless my "smartgun" was smarter than everyone that has a membership in Mensa then GTFO.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:37:10 AM EST
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If my aunt had a dick would she be my uncle?
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:41:24 AM EST
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No, they should just attach a NFA repeal to any "smart gun" bill.
And any other bill that ever appears. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:41:39 AM EST
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Fucking 13er's. OP just got kick in the nuts by site staff 
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:43:19 AM EST
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:46:09 AM EST
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OP, what possible good reason is there for a smart gun to even exist?
While you are at it please explain how you would prevent your electronic Frankenstein gun from being remotely disabled when you need it most. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:47:17 AM EST
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This is how you get ants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds like compromise. Fuck compromise. Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. This is how you get ants. I won't even buy a S&W with the "Hillary Hole" lock. Why the fuck would I want some RFID bullshit? Just no. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:51:20 AM EST
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If a piece of legislation had a chance of passing that allowed smart guns to be added to the machine gun registry, would you favor it? eta example: you could get a tax stamp for converting a Glock 17 to a Glock 18, but you would have to add "smart" technology to identify the owner before it fires. no. I am playing games with them anymore. How about BAN the NFA and GCA 68 et.al. lets start there. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:52:21 AM EST
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While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against. We need less regulation, not more. While I agree in principle, I think we need more machine guns in the hands of civilians. when they are needed there will be plenty. Count on it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:53:00 AM EST
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Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds like compromise. Fuck compromise. Well, I think it sounds more like incrementalism. It's a step in the right direction. If you could legally build a mini-gun, but it required a password to turn own, I don't see how we are losing and they are winning when compared to the current situation. derp |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:57:36 AM EST
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not one more fucking inch.
The best chance we have against smart gun bullshit is nobody buying that crap. Once smart guns become accepted, they just close the registry again. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:57:53 AM EST
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OP, what possible good reason is there for a smart gun to even exist?... None. But the left seems to love the whole "smart gun" thing, and I think we should take advantage of it. We get more freedom, not less (in this particular instance, I'm not talking about existing semi-autos). |
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