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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:04:06 AM EDT
Honestly, the biggest thing going for 5.45 guns was the ammo that cost half as much as 5.56 or 7.62x39. Now that 7n6 is no longer coming in, I am thinking the price for 5.45 is going to be in the area of 5.56 soon. Hell, I bet ammo sellers are gunna start jacking the fuck out of the price of the remaining 7n6 because of this.
Other than the fact that typical 5.45 guns have little recoil, allowing for fast follow up shots, I don't really see any advantage to 5.45 anymore. I know it is an unstable round that typically produces a rather nasty wound channel... But you can have that in a 5.56 already. Sucks, because I was about to buy a 74 or a 5.45 upper so I could shoot cheap ammo.... So much for that. 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:06:16 AM EDT
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Krinks look cool.
That's about it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:07:35 AM EDT
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Yeah, I guess we will start seeing 5.45 pistols soon.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:12:01 AM EDT
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It might get to 5.56 prices for the commercial ammo as the 7n6 goes out, due to higher demand; however, I bet it would fall back to a little below 7.62x39 commercial prices when manufacturers pick up the pace for the demand.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:14:58 AM EDT
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Was there ever?
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:23:48 AM EDT
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I'm holding onto 5.45, but moving more towards domestic calibers now due to this BS.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:25:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was there ever? |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:26:19 AM EDT
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I'm holding onto 5.45, but moving more towards domestic calibers now due to this BS. Kinda this. I only have about 2k rounds of 5.45... I don't have a 5.56 rifle at the moment, but I'm considering either a Tavor or ARX-160. Maybe... MAYBE a KelTec RDB, depending on when they come out, how much they are selling for, and if they're not shit. The ammunition availability is definitely a thing when it comes to 5.45 for me. No more cheap 7n6? Yeah, it will be a backup gun. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:26:27 AM EDT
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It might get to 5.56 prices for the commercial ammo as the 7n6 goes out, due to higher demand; however, I bet it would fall back to a little below 7.62x39 commercial prices when manufacturers pick up the pace for the demand. That is the only good ting I can see coming out of this. Perhaps Wolf or Privi will develop cheap non steel core rounds. I'm also thinking this may cause development of reloading equipment for the 5.45. It's been proven 5.45 is very popular and if companies can develop reloading equipment and commercial ammo that could bring the cost back to around 20 cents per round, I think it would sell pretty well. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:26:43 AM EDT
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not sure
well that sucks looks like wont be shooting my ak anymore...time to put in the trashcan -__- OH WELL I STILL HAVE MY REM870 |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:28:54 AM EDT
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I'm glad I bought a bunch about 8 years ago.
Sucks that the days of shooting over a thousand rounds on a given day are not the norm, anymore. Got too $$$. Used to be, shoot a bunch , buy more. Now it's shoot some, go look at porn.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:48:58 AM EDT
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Not sure what I'd do with 40 cans of ammo if I didn't have a gun to shoot it in. Maybe now I can find an M&P in 5.45
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:51:27 AM EDT
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*Shrug*
It's an AK and my owning one pisses off Democrats. That's all the excuse I need. Plus if Russia ever invades, I'll collect ammo from every motherfucker I kill.  I don't care who it is. You shoot at me and you don't make a first-round hit, you're fucked.
/Internet badass off.
Besides, every time an AK is sold to an American, a Liberal sheds a tear. And their tears are fucking Delicious |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:51:54 AM EDT
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor?
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Posted: 3/30/2014 1:54:28 AM EDT
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 2:37:27 AM EDT
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Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 2:53:18 AM EDT
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Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? They just do it. Who's gonna stop them? |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 2:53:28 AM EDT
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Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? Because the actual bullet diameter is .221 |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 2:57:14 AM EDT
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I like them.
But I choose my guns like a diverse connoisseur, not a drunk looking for a cheap buzz. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 3:09:18 AM EDT
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Honestly, the biggest thing going for 5.45 guns was the ammo that cost half as much as 5.56 or 7.62x39. Now that 7n6 is no longer coming in, I am thinking the price for 5.45 is going to be in the area of 5.56 soon. Hell, I bet ammo sellers are gunna start jacking the fuck out of the price of the remaining 7n6 because of this.
Other than the fact that typical 5.45 guns have little recoil, allowing for fast follow up shots, I don't really see any advantage to 5.45 anymore. I know it is an unstable round that typically produces a rather nasty wound channel... But you can have that in a 5.56 already. Sucks, because I was about to buy a 74 or a 5.45 upper so I could shoot cheap ammo.... So much for that. +1. It was cheap. That is about it. Looking around you can still get almost a case of Wolf or Brown Bear for just over $200 No 7n6 though. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 3:13:44 AM EDT
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Because the actual bullet diameter is .221 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? Because the actual bullet diameter is .221 Huh. Wikipedia claims .220 ive always seen it listed as .218 or .219. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 3:28:35 AM EDT
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Huh. Wikipedia claims .220 ive always seen it listed as .218 or .219. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? Because the actual bullet diameter is .221 Huh. Wikipedia claims .220 ive always seen it listed as .218 or .219. Pull one and mike it. 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 3:35:27 AM EDT
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Quote History5.45 isnt on the the list of things I'm likely to pull out at 7:30 on a sunday morning. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 3:40:52 AM EDT
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The point is the communists are using every event to their advantage and the free minded people are playing with an old play book.
The 5.45 import ban is just another "victory" for the left. Just like 9/11, Sandy Hook, Dorner, Columbine, Etc. The left creates the situation of hate, and when some nut responds to the pre set conditions, the left uses that situation to their advantage. Until free minded people are driving the ship, we're just in the cargo hold for the ride. Yes 5.45 is going the way of 5.56, and .22 is also been neutered in availability. we all need to recognize the fact that the tide is receding, we need to head for higher ground, because the tidal wave is gathering it's energy. Standing on the shore and building a sand wall is not going to prevent it. If you want ammo in the future, you better go out on a limb and buy all you can. The days of cheap ammo are over, just over. Now it's get what you can, when it's available. The good ol' days are NOT coming back to spite all of our nostalgic wishes. Steal yourselves for the next phase, it IS going to happen....what ever it is, we're not going to be happy about it. 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 3:41:05 AM EDT
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Cause they're cool, and if you have some crates stashed who cares?
Ehh, it sucks, but I wouldn't get rid of a gun I like just because ammo isn't readily available... I have a Nagant revolver, which ammo is pretty scarce for, I am not getting rid of it... Ditto my Kar and Gew 88's, my m95 rifle and carbine in 8x50R, etc.... |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:10:11 AM EDT
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I like them. But I choose my guns like a diverse connoisseur, not a drunk looking for a cheap buzz. Well said. I think I still qualify as a partial drunk buzzer though |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:15:37 AM EDT
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Now a US ammo maker will start making it, and clean up doing it.
Invest now. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:20:52 AM EDT
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Yes. The Wolf ammo is still relatively cheap, and they're good AKs.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:25:59 AM EDT
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If you are sitting 15K rounds, yes. Wish I had bought more recently but was saving for a house.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:27:56 AM EDT
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Now a US ammo maker will start making it, and clean up doing it. Invest now. At ~ $9 a box of 20.................I don't think so. Hornady steel case ring a bell? |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:29:07 AM EDT
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If you are sitting 15K rounds, yes. Wish I had bought more recently but was saving for a house. I hope that decision does not come back to haunt you........ <----------same boat here.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:34:40 AM EDT
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The same worries were around when the surplus 7.62x39 from China was banned as well.
The market will adapt to the changes. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:39:36 AM EDT
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Now 5.45 is sort of like the 7.62x25 round. At one time cheap, not anymore. Both rounds have attributes, but now those do not out way the cost when there are other options. I expect a lot of formerly 5.45 guns will be converted to 5.56.
This is why I've redirected my collecting over the years away from imported guns, parts and ammo. Sure, rounds like 5.56, 9x19 and .308 can get pricey and scarce during peak panics, but at least they are less likely to disappear because of one ruling or EO from an importation ban. I look for them to do the same with 54R...they are just looking for excuses and they will find one. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:40:15 AM EDT
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I haven't seen any place that sells ammo run out of 762, I've also heard from a few friends that they've gone out and purchased a metric-fuck-ton of 762 and the prices are still normal.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:42:54 AM EDT
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The same worries were around when the surplus 7.62x39 from China was banned as well. The market will adapt to the changes. Has ammo gotten cheaper in that time? I know the collapsing value of the dollar and all that, but that's what I'm saying, adapt all you want, the shit is just going to cost more and more, not less and less and be fewer and fewer suppliers. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:44:28 AM EDT
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I haven't seen any place that sells ammo run out of 762, I've also heard from a few friends that they've gone out and purchased a metric-fuck-ton of 762 and the prices are still normal. Normal as in $18 for a box of 20 or normal for 2005 prices? It's only going to cost more from here on out. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:45:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same worries were around when the surplus 7.62x39 from China was banned as well. The market will adapt to the changes. Prices went up slightly but there were other sources and it was still in the inexpensive range. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:47:33 AM EDT
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I wish the ATF would stop dicking around with us
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:49:20 AM EDT
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I didn't buy mine specifically for the cheap ammo, I just thought it would be fun to own and shoot, and it has been.
I doubt I will ever sell it, outside of an actual financial emergency requiring that kind of thing. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has ammo gotten cheaper in that time? I know the collapsing value of the dollar and all that, but that's what I'm saying, adapt all you want, the shit is just going to cost more and more, not less and less and be fewer and fewer suppliers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The same worries were around when the surplus 7.62x39 from China was banned as well. The market will adapt to the changes. Has ammo gotten cheaper in that time? I know the collapsing value of the dollar and all that, but that's what I'm saying, adapt all you want, the shit is just going to cost more and more, not less and less and be fewer and fewer suppliers. For a time, about a decade after it was banned, ammo had actually gotten cheaper. I would like to say that prices will eventually drop, but I don't think we will be that lucky again. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:58:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember that in the 1990s. Prices went up slightly but there were other sources and it was still in the inexpensive range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The same worries were around when the surplus 7.62x39 from China was banned as well. The market will adapt to the changes. Prices went up slightly but there were other sources and it was still in the inexpensive range. At the time, the only real option was commercial Chinese ammo, or domestically produced brass cased stuff. It wasn't until the late 90s, early 2k that the golden age of surplus and Russian ammo began. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:59:28 AM EDT
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I do not have much interest in the 5.45. I like the old school 7.62x39.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 4:59:29 AM EDT
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At ~ $9 a box of 20.................I don't think so. Hornady steel case ring a bell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now a US ammo maker will start making it, and clean up doing it. Invest now. At ~ $9 a box of 20.................I don't think so. Hornady steel case ring a bell? Until it's dried up and gone. There are a lot of 5.45's out there. And converting it to 5.56 isn't a cheap process. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 5:08:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the actual bullet diameter is .221 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So is the import ban confirmed to be real of is it still just www rumor? Yeah, it's real and it's here. The ATF is banning all imports of 7N6,(Currently denying the Form 6's of people trying to import the stuff until they draft up their official statement, the bastards) and making it illegal for FFL's to sell it. Hows that work since one of the criteria is to be .22+ caliber? Because the actual bullet diameter is .221 there is also the requirement that it be 'designed and intended' to be fired from a handgun |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 5:09:36 AM EDT
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It was bound to happen, I've only got 4krds but I also only have one 5.45 ak.
Now bring on the 5.45 ak pistols with arm braces! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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