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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:30:59 PM EDT
Was it for bullets or shrapnel only? I wonder how well it worked.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:34:21 PM EDT
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Slashing sword proof.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:35:11 PM EDT
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shrapnel if you were lucky.
"maybe" stop a pistol. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:36:18 PM EDT
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shrapnel if you were lucky. "maybe" stop a pistol. That's what I was thinking, back then it was all 8mm, 30-06, and 54r ect... would be pretty hard to stop those rounds. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:39:26 PM EDT
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Sappenpanzer.
Was said to be effective for smaller grenades, smaller shrapnel fragments, and rifle fire from >300M. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:42:04 PM EDT
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shrapnel if you were lucky. "maybe" stop a pistol. Everybody adopted the steel helmets to stop shrapnel. They used real shrapnel in the early part of the war. Those vests would probably stop real shrapnel, shell splinters, (what most people think of as shrapnel), rifle ricochets and extreme long range rifle rounds. It would stop some pistols also. Body armor never totally went out of style, though it almost did. Supposedly, there were British officers who wore the ancestral chain mail beneath their tunics when they went into the trenches. This might have helped against knives and bayonets, but it is doubtful it would do much to stop bullets. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:43:11 PM EDT
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves
Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:49:04 PM EDT
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg You don't have to go that far back. I was born in 1956, and I see lots of pictures of soldiers that look like they are from another planet. Science fiction in film, and illustrations on book covers predicted some of their appearance decades before it was actually commonplace. Though there was body armor used in WWII. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:59:37 PM EDT
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WWI dude looked like he was wearing a medevil knights armor...
Armor today is lighter and works much better. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:01:48 PM EDT
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You don't have to go that far back. I was born in 1956, and I see lots of pictures of soldiers that look like they are from another planet. Science fiction in film, and illustrations on book covers predicted some of their appearance decades before it was actually commonplace. Though there was body armor used in WWII. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg You don't have to go that far back. I was born in 1956, and I see lots of pictures of soldiers that look like they are from another planet. Science fiction in film, and illustrations on book covers predicted some of their appearance decades before it was actually commonplace. Though there was body armor used in WWII. yea not like that lol |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:03:07 PM EDT
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I'm thinking it works better than a wool shirt anyway.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:06:52 PM EDT
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg That looks bad ass! I love the way our soldiers' uniforms look. Of course, I don't have to wear one in the Afghan heat.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:57:59 PM EDT
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I am always amazed by how WWI is such a dramatic dividing line between the old world and the modern era.
French heavy Calvary leaving Paris for the frontier Aug 1914: 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:07:49 PM EDT
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg IDK man, google some of the old school shit. Kitted up with gas masks. 
Brewster Body Armor 
Tank driver mask to protect against shrapnel 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:10:43 PM EDT
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I am always amazed by how WWI is such a dramatic dividing line between the old world and the modern era. French heavy Calvary leaving Paris for the frontier Aug 1914: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/French_heavy_cavalry_Paris_August_1914.jpg Must have been a painful lesson when they ran into their first Maxim. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:21:26 PM EDT
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That's what I was thinking, back then it was all 8mm, 30-06, and 54r ect... would be pretty hard to stop those rounds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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shrapnel if you were lucky. "maybe" stop a pistol. That's what I was thinking, back then it was all 8mm, 30-06, and 54r ect... would be pretty hard to stop those rounds. "Hot knife through butter" comes to mind. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:28:13 PM EDT
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"Hot knife through butter" comes to mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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shrapnel if you were lucky. "maybe" stop a pistol. That's what I was thinking, back then it was all 8mm, 30-06, and 54r ect... would be pretty hard to stop those rounds. "Hot knife through butter" comes to mind. Would stop a bayonet mounted on a Winchester 1895 leveraction 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:39:06 PM EDT
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Better than nothing.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:43:45 PM EDT
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When men were men. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:47:33 PM EDT
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When men were men. 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:47:41 PM EDT
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When men were men. Because our men in uniform now are such a bunch of pussies, right? |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:38:17 PM EDT
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would stop some shrapnel and my G-Gfather told my uncle and cousins that a lot of people were killed or injured by raiding parties with melee weapons, knives, hatchets and even war clubs.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:39:43 PM EDT
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Sappenpanzer. Was said to be effective for smaller grenades, smaller shrapnel fragments, and rifle fire from >300M. It probably helped with the old ricochet, too. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:43:17 PM EDT
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg I always wonder what D-day and other massed assaults of those days would have been like with modern body armor. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:19:33 PM EDT
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When men were men. Our soldiers are just as manly now as back then, only now they are 100x more effective. Their gear doesn't make them a wuss, it allows them to see at night, engage targets at hundreds of yards away with precision accuracy, it allows them hits from multiple large caliber high velocity rounds and still function and communicate with of soldiers hundreds or even thousands of miles away in an instant. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:23:58 PM EDT
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Was it for bullets or shrapnel only? I wonder how well it worked. http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ezzvcePb1rcoy9ro1_1280.jpg That set was issued to machine gun crews in high risk areas. It's discussed in Goldsmith's book on the Maxim. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:35:11 PM EDT
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I always wonder what D-day and other massed assaults of those days would have been like with modern body armor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg I always wonder what D-day and other massed assaults of those days would have been like with modern body armor. I bet a lot more guys would've drowned |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:36:24 PM EDT
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Because our men in uniform now are such a bunch of pussies, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When men were men. Because our men in uniform now are such a bunch of pussies, right? Oh for fuck's sake. Do you not Sarcasm `Bro? 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:41:49 PM EDT
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Must have been a painful lesson when they ran into their first Maxim. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am always amazed by how WWI is such a dramatic dividing line between the old world and the modern era. French heavy Calvary leaving Paris for the frontier Aug 1914: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/French_heavy_cavalry_Paris_August_1914.jpg Must have been a painful lesson when they ran into their first Maxim. It was a painful lesson for the French Curassiers at Waterloo as well. 
The musketballs went through too according to contemporary accounts. (this was obviously a cannonball) |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:42:43 PM EDT
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Oh for fuck's sake. Do you not Sarcasm `Bro? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When men were men. Because our men in uniform now are such a bunch of pussies, right? Oh for fuck's sake. Do you not Sarcasm `Bro? what is this sarcasm you speak of?
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:56:31 PM EDT
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I bet a lot more guys would've drowned Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg I always wonder what D-day and other massed assaults of those days would have been like with modern body armor. I bet a lot more guys would've drowned Hell, just the Army's current "large ruck" full of gear would have dragged them to the bottom. You could just about transport another fully equipped soldier in those things! 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:26:15 PM EDT
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Hell, just the Army's current "large ruck" full of gear would have dragged them to the bottom. You could just about transport another fully equipped soldier in those things! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg I always wonder what D-day and other massed assaults of those days would have been like with modern body armor. I bet a lot more guys would've drowned Hell, just the Army's current "large ruck" full of gear would have dragged them to the bottom. You could just about transport another fully equipped soldier in those things! 1) A properly water-proofed ruck actually floats...density not weight (like one of those noodle things) 2) Modern body armor has quick-releases to get out of shit that is trying to drown you |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:40:08 AM EDT
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When men were men expendable  . |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:43:26 AM EDT
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It was a painful lesson for the French Curassiers at Waterloo as well. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/71/f6/e671f61576804ebccd5b388f12619ac5.jpg The musketballs went through too according to contemporary accounts. (this was obviously a cannonball) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am always amazed by how WWI is such a dramatic dividing line between the old world and the modern era. French heavy Calvary leaving Paris for the frontier Aug 1914: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/French_heavy_cavalry_Paris_August_1914.jpg Must have been a painful lesson when they ran into their first Maxim. It was a painful lesson for the French Curassiers at Waterloo as well. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/71/f6/e671f61576804ebccd5b388f12619ac5.jpg The musketballs went through too according to contemporary accounts. (this was obviously a cannonball) WOW A Maxim did that!!!!....Damn time traveling Limeys. 
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:48:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK man, google some of the old school shit. Kitted up with gas masks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/4041501708_2e48f4d5ff_m.jpg Brewster Body Armor http://bashapedia.pbworks.com/f/brewster-body-armor-1917-18.jpg Tank driver mask to protect against shrapnel http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01631/mask-1_1631938a.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg IDK man, google some of the old school shit. Kitted up with gas masks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/4041501708_2e48f4d5ff_m.jpg Brewster Body Armor http://bashapedia.pbworks.com/f/brewster-body-armor-1917-18.jpg Tank driver mask to protect against shrapnel http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01631/mask-1_1631938a.jpg |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:49:35 AM EDT
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WWI German sniper mask
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:56:01 AM EDT
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg How'd he go to the bathroom with all that stuff on? |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:57:18 AM EDT
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Reproduction of armour issued to British paratroops in Normandy and Arnhem
I guess its better than nothing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:59:12 AM EDT
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That armor including the face shield was supposed to stop bullets. The British tested it. It didn't.
 Opps.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:00:07 PM EDT
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The stirnpanzer, the armor plate on the front of the helmet was designed to stop rifle rounds.
I don't think they were very effective. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:02:38 PM EDT
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It was a painful lesson for the French Curassiers at Waterloo as well. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/71/f6/e671f61576804ebccd5b388f12619ac5.jpg The musketballs went through too according to contemporary accounts. (this was obviously a cannonball) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am always amazed by how WWI is such a dramatic dividing line between the old world and the modern era. French heavy Calvary leaving Paris for the frontier Aug 1914: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/French_heavy_cavalry_Paris_August_1914.jpg Must have been a painful lesson when they ran into their first Maxim. It was a painful lesson for the French Curassiers at Waterloo as well. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/71/f6/e671f61576804ebccd5b388f12619ac5.jpg The musketballs went through too according to contemporary accounts. (this was obviously a cannonball) When they said "a hole so big you could see daylight through it" they weren't joking. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:08:02 PM EDT
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The rifles they used in WWI were pretty damn powerful.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:14:38 PM EDT
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The Soviets used steel armor in WW2.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:18:43 PM EDT
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this reportedly stopped pistol rounds and grenade fragments
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:19:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this reportedly stopped pistol rounds and grenade fragments http://www.operatorchan.org/w/src/139655804778.jpg |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:44:16 PM EDT
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How'd he go to the bathroom with all that stuff on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now we are wearing ceramic armor/Kevlar.. interesting how things repeat themselves Somebody in world war II would look at a guy in IOTV with throat protector, daps, groin protector and all the extras like they were from a different planet http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/05/26__00_46_24/49.bmp06c3e3d9-a7ee-4529-b9e5-734e910d93f9Larger.jpg How'd he go to the bathroom with all that stuff on? You let it drop, unblouse your boot, and shake it out. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:07:31 PM EDT
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Ive often wondered what an old time civil war soldier would think of the modern soldier outfit. Looking at the differences between gear it would be almost like an alien, bullet proof at various points, basicly a ray gun(no bullet drop out to 300 yards, no smoke, lots of shots before reload, weight, effect, rate of fire, kick) with sighting systems, night vision, comms,
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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:32:23 PM EDT
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Ive often wondered what an old time civil war soldier would think of the modern soldier outfit. Looking at the differences between gear it would be almost like an alien, bullet proof at various points, basicly a ray gun(no bullet drop out to 300 yards, no smoke, lots of shots before reload, weight, effect, rate of fire, kick) with sighting systems, night vision, comms, All that modern gear would do jack when the enemy trench is 1000-2000 yards away and no-man's land is fully mapped out for artillery. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:41:45 PM EDT
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All that modern gear would do jack when the enemy trench is 1000-2000 yards away and no-man's land is fully mapped out for artillery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ive often wondered what an old time civil war soldier would think of the modern soldier outfit. Looking at the differences between gear it would be almost like an alien, bullet proof at various points, basicly a ray gun(no bullet drop out to 300 yards, no smoke, lots of shots before reload, weight, effect, rate of fire, kick) with sighting systems, night vision, comms, All that modern gear would do jack when the enemy trench is 1000-2000 yards away and no-man's land is fully mapped out for artillery. Because at night the civil war enemy can see you from 1000 yards to light that arty fuse. With modern comms a counterbattery would be easy to arrange, drop some arty using a laser rangefiner and/or accurate secure transmission of grid coordinatates, some suppressed 5.56 fire with no flash via IR laser into a listening post, |
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