Wiki has a real gem (if true):

Even their Su-30MKIs,  MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales?  Get a clue.

Since it's a 21bis, it should have a Tumansky R-25 with CSR, but I have yet to see anybody confirm that. As you seem to have it, can you confirm whether or not they have that in there, and appropriately modeled (including what happens if you were to run it too long)?

Doesn't matter how many fancy aircraft they buy, they still poop in the street.



 

One of my soldiers almost took out a mig 21..........


With a truck.

Doesn't matter if they poop in the street, they have the fancy aircraft and their ability to operate them effectively is well documented.

Links? Have they even had the opportunity to "operate them effectively"?



Their inability to figure out indoor plumbing is also well documented.



 

 

Not sure, but flights didn't last too long for me unless I had an external tank on it. Which then made the handling suck even more.

My Hard Drive crashed last weekend though, so I can't pull up the manual to see if the modeled plane had that turbine, but I bet it does.

I do know that pulling violent maneuvers with less than optimal fuel levels will cause the turbine to shut down, like the poster above me said. There's a switch located in the cockpit though for this very situation. You flip the "Emergency Start" switch up, turn the engine start mode switch from 'cold start' to 'normal start', press the 'engine startup' button for 4 seconds while sending the plane into a shallow dive. IIRC, I haven't played it in a while.

Hope that it starts up.

Stop making yourself look like an idiot.

So you don't have any links to the Indian Air Force using their newer aircraft effectively? But it was "well documented"?



 

On another note, Ralfidude probably has the best (and funniest) review of the module.

What exactly is a "Fishbed"?

It's where fish sleep.  Don't you know nothing?  

Faggot, fishbed, flogger fulcrum.....noticing a pattern?  Nato code words used to describe enemy air.

As I understand it, it's a made up word.



 

Group buy?

 




 

You forgot Foxbat.

I know what a faggot, flogger, and fulcrum are. still don't know what a fishbed is.

 










 

At least four different Fishbed variants in that Polish pic.

Superficially seems to be a maintenance nightmare but I imagine that if NATO and the WaPa had gone to war all of them would have been dust within 48 hours.

No,just arcane. It's a strata especially rich in fossilized fish.


I'm just posting my favorite 21 paint jobs

Egyptian with IFF panels




The Indians did lots of IFF colors in stripes and  panels too




Finnish Fishbed funny because


the same squadron shot down a fuckload of MiGs and LaGGs and Pos  and Las  awhile  before

The problem won't be buying it.

The problem will be maintenance. I think I've heard somewhere around $5000 / month if you just fly it once a month.

That first one 809 I wonder what the window behind the pilot is. You can see the two seaters in the back of the row. Maybe a photo recon version? Wild weasel type?

J-7 Fishcan, modified MiG-21.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

As short of legs as the MiG 21 has, I can't see it being any use as an EW or SEAD platform.

From the article:



So...17 of the Indian Air Force aircraft that became lawn darts in the last three years were not Mig-21's. The Russians do point out that the reason for many of the crashes is because the IAF uses substandard spares to maintain their fleet. Hopefully they buy parts for their newest aircraft from the supplying countries.

That's just a MiG-21F13 Fishbed C  -the F means update and 13 is for the K-13 missile aka the AA-2 Atoll to NATO. That's just an early 60s production fighter/short range interceptor.

The small windows are just for rearward visability,like the side windows on fighters such as the P-36 and P-40 in WWII. Later bis/MF  models got a much larger spine that the canopy fairs into and have abysmal rearward visibility.

Thanks. What time frame was the MiG-21F13 Fishbed C in operation and which countries used it? Just thinking of building a model of it and really like weathering effects on that number 809.

The bottom one is a 15.

Damn... That's probably more pages than the Soviet manual for the real plane.  

Of course it is.

Here is a picture of the Russian manual.

Have you guys heard of the Mig-21 bunny fighter?



Excerpt from http://www.scalespot.com/onthebench/mig21bfc/build.htm

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In late 1995, the Democratic Republic of Congo acquired eight ex-Czech MiG-21MF aircraft. During the 1997 civil war (also known as the War of June 5) the forces of the Congolese Labor Party led by President Col. Denis Sassou Nguesso used these aircraft along with Chinese made F-7 Skybolt in a series of brutal attacks raging across the country. Due to a lack of local skilled pilots capable of flying these aircraft, foreign mercenaries were regularly employed, most coming from the Ukraine and other former soviet block states.

In addition to the major fighting between the Lissouba and Sassou forces in the major capital city of Kinshasa, skirmishes would regularly break out across the country with local warlords hiring (or capturing) any nearby military assets. The extreme corruption of the air force meant that aircraft were more often used for private 'business' of their fliers and their superiors than operations against rebels.

One of the more unusual disputes centered around the ownership of local carrot fields with neighboring country Angola. This fight, the so called "Carrot War" saw a short, but bloody, ground and air war in and around the border town of Tshikapa. One of the more colorful Ukrainian mercenary pilots (Igor Valenchenko) had one of the Congo MiG fighters painted in an outlandish "Bunny" scheme. Valenchenko used this unusually colorful MiG as bait to lure Angolan aircraft into a fight. This proved to be a highly successful tactic which earned Valenchenko three kills, in addition to a number of ground kills on Angolan light armour.

As with most Congolese military aircraft, the service life of the MiG's was short. Like the other services, the Congolese Air Force was not capable of carrying out its maintenance responsibilities. Even today few of the Air Force's aircraft are currently flyable or capable of being restored to service and it is unclear whether the Air Force is capable of maintaining even unsophisticated aircraft.

Unfortunately, the fate of this distinctive MiG was the same as most Congolese aircraft. It now sits derelict in an aircraft graveyard on the outskirts of Kinshasa subject to the ravages of the harsh African climate and looters.
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The VPAF and the -17 and -21 would be footnotes in history if the traitors in the White House would have allowed the Air Force to take out the VPAF bases instead of making them off limits.

Who the fuck gives sanctuary to the enemy during a shooting war?  Oh, wait, Democrats do.

TC

Exactly.

Manual? Of not need manual. You get in plane, I tell you from ground what do. You survive? You MiG pilot now. If not, you replaced with next candidate.

I love the idiots in the media that think we need that red circle and shaded outer field to see the fire and smoke that takes up 3/4 of the frame.

http://www.rense.com/general58/VVS.HTM

http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/su-30-beat-f-15-everytime/

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/usaf-pilot-describes-iaf-su30m/

The fact that we let them participate in Red Flag should be evidence enough that they have competent pilots. They have held their own there pretty well from everything I've read.*

*I know nothing about what ROEs were established for those engagements.

beat by the guy above me.

Peru, Pakistan, and Thailand have participated in Red Flag as well.



 

Typical Soviet junk.

Very  short range fighter.

I sat in one and fought them in training.

It had for it's time very good slow speed handling. But if you chose not to get slow with it, it was dead meat, assuming it survived to the merge due to lawyers.

If the Soviet Union still existed, we'd have named one of their transports the Cockfag a few years ago.

The best thing about the 21 is it was made to maintained and repaired by the lowest common denominator in a third world environment.

Simple, robust and easy to work on compared to comparable aircraft, made to operate on dirt or grass as well as tarmac.

It would have whupped wholesale ass in WWII.   Unfortunately, in WWII the Russkies were flying these:

All I know is that having your house buzzed by a MiG-21 wants me to grab an AK and yell WOLVERINES!  I am clearly a child of the cold war.

Good point. That's why Germany won WWII.

Po-2 is best Po.