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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:45:07 PM EST
[#1]
Surviving having a fucking moron for a father, perhaps?
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:48:30 PM EST
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Iraq
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:49:16 PM EST
[#3]
Bronze stars are handed out frequently for officers who never stepped foot off a FOB.
meanwhile, a SPC who saves his squad and 1SG by mounting a m-2 under fire and kills a suicide bomber and his suicide bomber buddies gets an ARCOM- go figure. ETA: Medal Gate. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:49:41 PM EST
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He earned his bronze star by serving honorably in a war zone as a leader, just like me and thousands of other Soldiers.
Typically, all officers and Senior NCOs earn a bronze star for a deployment. The approval authority is a 2 star general, with 2ish years of experience. Also, there is a huge difference between a bronze star (an administrative wartime medal dating bck to WW2) and a bronze star for Valor. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:50:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bronze stars are handed out frequently for officers who never stepped foot off a FOB. meanwhile, a SPC who saves his squad and 1SG by mounting a m-2 under fire and kills a suicide bomber and his suicide bomber buddies gets an ARCOM- go figure. What is .ore highly regarded, a bronze star or an arcom-V? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:51:51 PM EST
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What is .ore highly regarded, a bronze star or an arcom-V? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bronze stars are handed out frequently for officers who never stepped foot off a FOB. meanwhile, a SPC who saves his squad and 1SG by mounting a m-2 under fire and kills a suicide bomber and his suicide bomber buddies gets an ARCOM- go figure. What is .ore highly regarded, a bronze star or an arcom-V? No V on that ARCOM. I couldn't believe it. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:52:32 PM EST
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Meritorious Service = Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service in a war zone = Bronze Star Meritorious Service while conducting combat operations (or Valorous Service) = Bronze Star with V device |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:54:22 PM EST
[#8]
Heroic use of a stapler and combat related paper cuts from legal documents as a JAG officer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:55:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No V on that ARCOM. I couldn't believe it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bronze stars are handed out frequently for officers who never stepped foot off a FOB. meanwhile, a SPC who saves his squad and 1SG by mounting a m-2 under fire and kills a suicide bomber and his suicide bomber buddies gets an ARCOM- go figure. What is .ore highly regarded, a bronze star or an arcom-V? No V on that ARCOM. I couldn't believe it. Wow. Who fucked that writeup? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:56:21 PM EST
[#10]
He survived a shotgun blast through the door after a warning shot off the balcony.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:57:37 PM EST
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So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father)
Pretty bad ass. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:58:14 PM EST
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Surviving having a fucking moron for a father, perhaps? Actually, he did not survive. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:58:17 PM EST
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Heroic use of a stapler and combat related paper cuts from legal documents as a JAG officer.  Come on man. Dude is dead. Put the politics away every once and a while.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 8:58:47 PM EST
[#14]
Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:00:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them. How did USMC numbers compare? Did service awards correspond with ran? If so, who earned BSMs? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:01:17 PM EST
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Surviving having a fucking moron for a father, perhaps? 
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:05:13 PM EST
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How did USMC numbers compare? Did service awards correspond with ran? If so, who earned BSMs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them. How did USMC numbers compare? Did service awards correspond with ran? If so, who earned BSMs? Significantly less per capita, we also give MSMs in combat zones to attempt to link the BSM more as a combat award. Generally they will give a BN commander and maybe his 3 a BSM while the staff officer in the RCT staff will get MSMs unless they actually out in the fight leading combat ops. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:12:34 PM EST
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So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father) Pretty bad ass. Nailed it. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:22:43 PM EST
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Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them. Holy crap. My respect for that award just dropped through the floor. Sadly, I'm no longer surprised by these disgraces committed by our government. 
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:25:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy crap. My respect for that award just dropped through the floor. Sadly, I'm no longer surprised by these disgraces committed by our government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them. Holy crap. My respect for that award just dropped through the floor. Sadly, I'm no longer surprised by these disgraces committed by our government. Who is "our government"? Do you thing Soldiers that received a bronze star for service are discgraceful, the fact that the earned the award, or something else? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:25:44 PM EST
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POG's frequently earn medals based on who they know & not whether or not it is earned or warranted.
Look at the one who got an ARCOM for trolling people on Facebook. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:29:48 PM EST
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Who is "our government"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them. Holy crap. My respect for that award just dropped through the floor. Sadly, I'm no longer surprised by these disgraces committed by our government.
Who is "our government"? Why the United States Federal government, who ultimately includes our military. They make the military do some rather idiotic things; conversely, our military often manages to do many idiotic things all on its own. Do you support giving out that many bronze stars? Or do you think the standard to earn one ought to be higher (a lot higher) than it appears to be right now? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:30:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: POG's frequently earn medals based on who they know & not whether or not it is earned or warranted. Look at the one who got an ARCOM for trolling people on Facebook. Did you know a lot of people that earned end of tour awards different than their peers? We had a SSG earn a BSM when all others earned ARCOMs. His CO actually did a good job of submitting what he did on the deployment. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:32:25 PM EST
[#24]
So it's a participation medal then ?
Just like the soccer trophies ? Did he get an orange slice and a juice box too ? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:34:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy crap. My respect for that award just dropped through the floor. Sadly, I'm no longer surprised by these disgraces committed by our government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Beau Biden was a lawyer. The Army gave out well over 150,000 bronze stars. He got one of them. Holy crap. My respect for that award just dropped through the floor. Sadly, I'm no longer surprised by these disgraces committed by our government. After being in Afghanistan for almost 14 years and Iraq for over 8, how many millions of service members do you think took part? Over 2,000,000 boots on ground over the duration of those two wars, and there are still guys in both places. 150k isn't that many. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:36:29 PM EST
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Since pragmatically the only options are BSM and ARCOM, I support recognizing leaders with a higher award.
As I stated before on this forum battalion, brigade, and division level leaders should establish a culture of distinguishing higher performance from groups of peers. IE your top 50% of company commanders earn a BSM, while the rest get arcoms. Go up and down the ranks adjusting as you see fit. Problem is, who wants to be the first commander to change? You end up with 1 battalion with 50% fewer awards than every other battalion. So now your guys are looked at like dirtbags when they PCS. As FDC illustrated, it's largely an Army issue, not a vast representation of a corrupt government. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:40:20 PM EST
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There was this Colonel see, and he really really really wanted to be a General right. So he realizes Joe Biden's kid is in his command and he says to himself, "Self, go ahead and write that Biden feller up for an award, make sure his old man finds out who wrote it- and what you got is a First Class, E ticket to that star,"
No different from any other kid with a sugar daddy. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:40:38 PM EST
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Did you know a lot of people that earned end of tour awards different than their peers? We had a SSG earn a BSM when all others earned ARCOMs. His CO actually did a good job of submitting what he did on the deployment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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POG's frequently earn medals based on who they know & not whether or not it is earned or warranted. Look at the one who got an ARCOM for trolling people on Facebook. Did you know a lot of people that earned end of tour awards different than their peers? We had a SSG earn a BSM when all others earned ARCOMs. His CO actually did a good job of submitting what he did on the deployment. Bronze star is supposed to be for heroism - not for just showing up. Giving them out to everyone just cheapens the award. So what exactly did Beau do to earn it? Because I can't find anything other than flying to DC for 0bama's inauguration & touring Camp Victory with his daddy. Oh, and he was working as Delaware's Attorney General while he was deployed. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:41:02 PM EST
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Bronze Star with NO "V" device
No big deal He should have gotten the award for putting Sinclair on ice in a timely manner. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:41:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was this Colonel see, and he really really really wanted to be a General right. So he realizes Joe Biden's kid is in his command and he says to himself, "Self, go ahead and write that Biden feller up for an award, make sure his old man finds out who wrote it- and what you got is a First Class, E ticket to that star," No different from any other kid with a sugar daddy. What end of tour award to you think his peers earned? You realize that you sound incredibly ignorant, right? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:42:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He earned his bronze star by serving honorably in a war zone as a leader, just like me and thousands of other Soldiers. Typically, all officers and Senior NCOs earn a bronze star for a deployment. The approval authority is a 2 star general, with 2ish years of experience. Also, there is a huge difference between a bronze star (an administrative wartime medal dating bck to WW2) and a bronze star for Valor. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:42:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bronze star is supposed to be for heroism - not for just showing up. Giving them out to everyone just cheapens the award. So what exactly did Beau do to earn it? Because I can't find anything other than flying to DC for 0bama's inauguration & touring Camp Victory with his daddy. Oh, and he was working as Delaware's Attorney General while he was deployed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: POG's frequently earn medals based on who they know & not whether or not it is earned or warranted. Look at the one who got an ARCOM for trolling people on Facebook. Did you know a lot of people that earned end of tour awards different than their peers? We had a SSG earn a BSM when all others earned ARCOMs. His CO actually did a good job of submitting what he did on the deployment. Bronze star is supposed to be for heroism - not for just showing up. Giving them out to everyone just cheapens the award. So what exactly did Beau do to earn it? Because I can't find anything other than flying to DC for 0bama's inauguration & touring Camp Victory with his daddy. Oh, and he was working as Delaware's Attorney General while he was deployed. Giving them out to everyone? That is literally the Genesis of the award. Every CIB holder in WW2 earned one at the end of the war. Per the AR: The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military operations against an armed enemy; or while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:44:59 PM EST
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What end of tour award to you think his peers earned? You realize that you sound incredibly ignorant, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was this Colonel see, and he really really really wanted to be a General right. So he realizes Joe Biden's kid is in his command and he says to himself, "Self, go ahead and write that Biden feller up for an award, make sure his old man finds out who wrote it- and what you got is a First Class, E ticket to that star," No different from any other kid with a sugar daddy. What end of tour award to you think his peers earned? You realize that you sound incredibly ignorant, right? End of tour awards are an abomination. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:47:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: End of tour awards are an abomination. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There was this Colonel see, and he really really really wanted to be a General right. So he realizes Joe Biden's kid is in his command and he says to himself, "Self, go ahead and write that Biden feller up for an award, make sure his old man finds out who wrote it- and what you got is a First Class, E ticket to that star," No different from any other kid with a sugar daddy. What end of tour award to you think his peers earned? You realize that you sound incredibly ignorant, right? End of tour awards are an abomination. Sweet. What have you done to stop the practice? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:49:27 PM EST
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Sweet. What have you done to stop the practice? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was this Colonel see, and he really really really wanted to be a General right. So he realizes Joe Biden's kid is in his command and he says to himself, "Self, go ahead and write that Biden feller up for an award, make sure his old man finds out who wrote it- and what you got is a First Class, E ticket to that star," No different from any other kid with a sugar daddy. What end of tour award to you think his peers earned? You realize that you sound incredibly ignorant, right? End of tour awards are an abomination. Sweet. What have you done to stop the practice? I don't write them, and I mock those who do. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:50:26 PM EST
[#36]
RIP Beau.
Prayers to Biden's family. Fuck politics in this situation, and fuck anyone who disagrees with my post. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:51:38 PM EST
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Come on man. Dude is dead. Put the politics away every once and a while.
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Heroic use of a stapler and combat related paper cuts from legal documents as a JAG officer. Come on man. Dude is dead. Put the politics away every once and a while.
Look, I knew Beau. Didn't like him much as a kid, and certainly didn't like his politics, but brain cancer for someone his age - for anyone actually - is tragic. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Dancing on the grave is one thing, but poking fun at the political life of a politician is another. IMHO, his military record was part of his political life, and that is fair game. Beau knew early on he had a future in politics because of his dad, and he spent a large part of his life grooming for the next political step, so IMHO I doubt military service was anything more to him than a box he knew he had to check off to help him get to the next level of politics. Service to the country? I doubt it - more like political positioning for himself. Hunter did the same thing, but Hunter didn't have the political aspirations Beau did, so after he got kicked out for cocaine, he went to work capitalizing on access to his father. Beau wanted to be his father. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:52:50 PM EST
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Wow. Who fucked that writeup? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bronze stars are handed out frequently for officers who never stepped foot off a FOB. meanwhile, a SPC who saves his squad and 1SG by mounting a m-2 under fire and kills a suicide bomber and his suicide bomber buddies gets an ARCOM- go figure. What is .ore highly regarded, a bronze star or an arcom-V? No V on that ARCOM. I couldn't believe it. Wow. Who fucked that writeup? I'm pretty sure that there are ARCOMs with V device http://www.armywriter.com/arcom_v.htm |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:53:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't write them, and I mock those who do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There was this Colonel see, and he really really really wanted to be a General right. So he realizes Joe Biden's kid is in his command and he says to himself, "Self, go ahead and write that Biden feller up for an award, make sure his old man finds out who wrote it- and what you got is a First Class, E ticket to that star," No different from any other kid with a sugar daddy. What end of tour award to you think his peers earned? You realize that you sound incredibly ignorant, right? End of tour awards are an abomination. Sweet. What have you done to stop the practice? I don't write them, and I mock those who do. Here is a good read on it:http://www.fpri.org/articles/2011/06/gen-george-c-marshall-and-development-professional-military-ethic |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:55:19 PM EST
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So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father) Pretty bad ass. Apparently so. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 9:59:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father) Pretty bad ass. As the Delaware AG this is what he did. Beau Biden announces new gun-control legislation - Associated Press He wasn't a saint. Just because he served and wore the uniform doesn't make me as pure as the wind driven snow. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:01:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure that there are ARCOMs with V device http://www.armywriter.com/arcom_v.htm Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bronze stars are handed out frequently for officers who never stepped foot off a FOB. meanwhile, a SPC who saves his squad and 1SG by mounting a m-2 under fire and kills a suicide bomber and his suicide bomber buddies gets an ARCOM- go figure. What is .ore highly regarded, a bronze star or an arcom-V? No V on that ARCOM. I couldn't believe it. Wow. Who fucked that writeup? I'm pretty sure that there are ARCOMs with V device http://www.armywriter.com/arcom_v.htm But that's paperwork, and good officers don't have time for that shit. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:02:57 PM EST
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Apparently so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father) Pretty bad ass. Apparently so. Beau was a politician too. He's fair game. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:03:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool and all that he served. So did John Kerry. As the Delaware AG this is what he did. Beau Biden announces new gun-control legislation - Associated Press NRA-ILA | Delaware: Biden renews push for gun bill He wasn't a saint. Just because he served and wore the uniform doesn't make me as pure as the wind driven snow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father) Pretty bad ass. As the Delaware AG this is what he did. Beau Biden announces new gun-control legislation - Associated Press NRA-ILA | Delaware: Biden renews push for gun bill He wasn't a saint. Just because he served and wore the uniform doesn't make me as pure as the wind driven snow. Sure, but I'll take his off my "gleefully dance on his grave" list. Also, the "so was john Kerry" argument is a strawman logical fallacy. (I think...it's been awhile since philosophy class) |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:08:23 PM EST
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The Army awards system is a disgrace. It's why I don't give a fuck about stolen valor.
There's so much "stolen merit" going on it's ridiculous. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:17:40 PM EST
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He earned his bronze star by serving honorably in a war zone as a leader, just like me and thousands of other Soldiers. Typically, all officers and Senior NCOs earn a bronze star for a deployment. The approval authority is a 2 star general, with 2ish years of experience. Also, there is a huge difference between a bronze star (an administrative wartime medal dating bck to WW2) and a bronze star for Valor. Thank you for making that well defined, but little understood distinction. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:19:01 PM EST
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Cool and all that he served. So did John Kerry. As the Delaware AG this is what he did. Beau Biden announces new gun-control legislation - Associated Press NRA-ILA | Delaware: Biden renews push for gun bill He wasn't a saint. Just because he served and wore the uniform doesn't make me as pure as the wind driven snow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, in this thread it's cool to disparage a dead Soldier because of his father's political beliefs? (No one would give a shit about him if not for his father) Pretty bad ass. As the Delaware AG this is what he did. Beau Biden announces new gun-control legislation - Associated Press NRA-ILA | Delaware: Biden renews push for gun bill He wasn't a saint. Just because he served and wore the uniform doesn't make me as pure as the wind driven snow. Just because he did shit I don't agree with at all, doesn't mean I'm going to dance on his grave. I have sympathy for his family for their loss. That's it. I don't personally care one way or another, since I personally didn't know him, and don't know his family, but losing a child is a shit situation all the way around. Fuck cancer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:24:18 PM EST
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Come on man. Dude is dead. Put the politics away every once and a while.
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Heroic use of a stapler and combat related paper cuts from legal documents as a JAG officer. Come on man. Dude is dead. Put the politics away every once and a while.
You musta missed that thread
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:26:52 PM EST
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Actually, he did not survive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Surviving having a fucking moron for a father, perhaps? Actually, he did not survive. 
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:31:05 PM EST
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It's all about dat V.
After deployment we had an awards ceremony where one guy got a Navy Commedation Medal with V for killing some dudes and dragging a Marine to safety. The dude next to him got the same medal sans-V for designing a website. 
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