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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:28:17 AM EST
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The kiln gun shells cannot be reloaded to use in a standard 8ga without modifiying the case. Look at the picture of the 8ga industrial shell below, it has an extra ring of brass above the rim. This is a safety measure to make sure an industrial shell will not fit in a standard 8 ga chamber. http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Shotshell-Comparison.jpg You need to either cut the extra brass off, or make a special sizer to swage it down. The article I read said that the extra brass ring easily swaged down to regular 8 gauge size. The author was in Australia and hunted rabbits with his. Said it would completely ruin the meat if the shot was taken under 50 yards! |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:35:51 AM EST
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So what does a consumer grade 8GA look like? What's different about it from the Kiln cartridges? Pressure?
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:52:26 AM EST
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That would make a perfect SBS  Too small, 4 gauge FTW http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md3jx3sX3x1rwjpnyo1_1280.jpg Still too small!!! 3 gauge FTW 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:09:17 AM EST
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Remington Master Blaster Anybody else notice the kiln guns are suppressed? How do they get around barrel length, suppressed, in an industrial environment? There was a Remington kiln gun in a crate at one of my customer sites. Barrel had a shroud, not a suppressor. Barrel was plenty long. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:10:11 AM EST
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The article I read said that the extra brass ring easily swaged down to regular 8 gauge size. The author was in Australia and hunted rabbits with his. Said it would completely ruin the meat if the shot was taken under 50 yards! Swaged or peeled. Either will work. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:11:47 AM EST
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So what does a consumer grade 8GA look like? What's different about it from the Kiln cartridges? Pressure? Yes. Much higher pressure. I had a box of Winchester kiln gun shells at one point. Per the information on the box, 2 oz slug at 1800fps IIRC. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:25:12 AM EST
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Anybody else notice the kiln guns are suppressed? How do they get around barrel length, suppressed, in an industrial environment? Pay the $200 tax? My question is what do they do in non-suppressor states? Or is there an exemption in those states for industrial suppressors? And if there is... 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:54:58 AM EST
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Pay the $200 tax? My question is what do they do in non-suppressor states? Or is there an exemption in those states for industrial suppressors? And if there is... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody else notice the kiln guns are suppressed? How do they get around barrel length, suppressed, in an industrial environment? Pay the $200 tax? My question is what do they do in non-suppressor states? Or is there an exemption in those states for industrial suppressors? And if there is... It is also my understanding that Winchester and Remington, the only remaining makers of kiln guns, do NOT sell them. As a power plant or kiln operator, if you buy your ammunition from them, they supply the guns. If you switch manufacturers or go out of business, the guns are returned. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 12:04:48 PM EST
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It is also my understanding that Winchester and Remington, the only remaining makers of kiln guns, do NOT sell them. As a power plant or kiln operator, if you buy your ammunition from them, they supply the guns. If you switch manufacturers or go out of business, the guns are returned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody else notice the kiln guns are suppressed? How do they get around barrel length, suppressed, in an industrial environment? Pay the $200 tax? My question is what do they do in non-suppressor states? Or is there an exemption in those states for industrial suppressors? And if there is... It is also my understanding that Winchester and Remington, the only remaining makers of kiln guns, do NOT sell them. As a power plant or kiln operator, if you buy your ammunition from them, they supply the guns. If you switch manufacturers or go out of business, the guns are returned. I believe they're generally not NFA DD's because they fall under the exemption of the NFA that lists them as: Exemptions:
A shotgun or shotgun shell which is determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes. a device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon, a device which is designed or redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line-throwing, safety, or similar device, surplus ordnance sold, loaded, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to law such as antique, obsolete bronze or iron cannon, a device which the Attorney General determines is not likely to be used as a weapon. An antique firearm, or a rifle which the owner intended to use solely for sporting purposes. So as long as it's on the industrial premises, and is being used for it's intended function, knocking junk off the sides of kilns or foundries or whatever, it's "not a weapon". And by not allowing anyone else to take or posses or "own" the Kiln Gun, they better maintain that exemption status. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 2:08:35 PM EST
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Pay the $200 tax? My question is what do they do in non-suppressor states? Or is there an exemption in those states for industrial suppressors? And if there is... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody else notice the kiln guns are suppressed? How do they get around barrel length, suppressed, in an industrial environment? Pay the $200 tax? My question is what do they do in non-suppressor states? Or is there an exemption in those states for industrial suppressors? And if there is... Simple, neither the kiln gun, nor it's suppressor is regulated by the NFA, GCA or similar worded state laws. (3)
The term “firearm” means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive A kiln gun is a industrial tool, not a weapon therefore it is not regulated (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; We have already established a kiln gun is not a firearm, therefore a kiln gun silencer/muffler is no different than an engine or other equipment muffler. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 2:31:06 PM EST
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Exactly, you take a kiln gun home with you, regardless of the provenance, and you don't own a kiln or have some other reasonable industrial use for it, and it's now a "weapon".
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:03:11 AM EST
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Eta. Nm. I see
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:16:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eta. Nm. I see Read the thread you must. Find out, you will. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:40:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, you take a kiln gun home with you, regardless of the provenance, and you don't own a kiln or have some other reasonable industrial use for it, and it's now a "weapon". What if I'm raising quail?
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