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Posted: 9/17/2015 2:38:59 AM EDT
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He shot a 2700?
 
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Posted: 9/17/2015 2:48:46 AM EDT
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Gunnery Sgt
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Posted: 9/17/2015 2:48:50 AM EDT
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He shot a 400 (40 shots, 10 points per shot) on our new pistol course.
I've only shot this course two times, and I have also shot a 400 both times. It is infinitely easier than our previous qual course, which was next to impossible to shoot perfectly with a rack grade Beretta. Its nice to know that we're also bragging about prequal scores. Bottom line, the USMC reduced its standards. Most shooters at the IDPA Expert skill lever or higher would shoot a 400 on this course. Old course? Just getting Expert was a challenge and you NEVER saw anyone shoot into the 390s. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 3:06:09 AM EDT
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He shot a 400 (40 shots, 10 points per shot) on our new pistol course. I've only shot this course two times, and I have also shot a 400 both times. It is infinitely easier than our previous qual course, which was next to impossible to shoot perfectly with a rack grade Beretta. Its nice to know that we're also bragging about prequal scores. Bottom line, the USMC reduced its standards. Most shooters at the IDPA Expert skill lever or higher would shoot a 400 on this course. Old course? Just getting Expert was a challenge and you NEVER saw anyone shoot into the 390s. Did he get any of his 400s on the older course? |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 3:26:30 AM EDT
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He shot a 400 (40 shots, 10 points per shot) on our new pistol course. I've only shot this course two times, and I have also shot a 400 both times. It is infinitely easier than our previous qual course, which was next to impossible to shoot perfectly with a rack grade Beretta. Its nice to know that we're also bragging about prequal scores. Bottom line, the USMC reduced its standards. Most shooters at the IDPA Expert skill lever or higher would shoot a 400 on this course. Old course? Just getting Expert was a challenge and you NEVER saw anyone shoot into the 390s. Was there a particular stage of the old course that made 400 difficult, or just 10 ring size in general? |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 3:36:10 AM EDT
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I've shot perfect four times (USAF) on the M-16A2, twice on the M-4, and twice on the M9.
What's the big deal? |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 3:59:30 AM EDT
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the article with the current (new?) course of fire is very similar to what my current spring qualifications are. I too shot expert with the M9 on the USAF course. Current quals are with a glock 22.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 9:54:52 AM EDT
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What is the new course of fire? Did they enlarge the 10 ring?
ETA. Found it. Wow, that's a huge target. 
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Posted: 9/17/2015 10:01:03 AM EDT
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Old course was a pain in the ass I don't think anyone ever got three perfect scores in it.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:01:30 AM EDT
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I shot expert all three times I qualified on the old course, but my highest score was a 380 I think. Scoring in the 390s was downright impossible. The new course is much easier.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've shot perfect four times (USAF) on the M-16A2, twice on the M-4, and twice on the M9. What's the big deal? The Air Force qual course, at least with rifle, is nothing at all like the Marine Corps qual. Probably same with pistol.* Been a while since I had to qual with pistol for AF.  Shot expert, but not perfect. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:15:40 AM EDT
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What is the new course of fire? Did they enlarge the 10 ring? ETA. Found it. Wow, that's a huge target. http://rifleshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/target-with-scoring-areas.png A shot to the D should be 10 points |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:28:46 AM EDT
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Semper Fi |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:32:04 AM EDT
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Hell I can do that
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:37:27 AM EDT
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Didn't read article...
What distance? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:40:52 AM EDT
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I've shot perfect four times (USAF) on the M-16A2, twice on the M-4, and twice on the M9. What's the big deal? LOL |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:43:15 AM EDT
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I thought this was going to be Duffel Blog.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:44:09 AM EDT
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He shot a 2700? I smell an old NMC shooter here......... 
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:50:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've shot perfect four times (USAF) on the M-16A2, twice on the M-4, and twice on the M9. What's the big deal? LOL That's what I was thinking. Started USMC, was lead Rifle Coach for my battalion. Then, when I reenlisted in USAF, and I saw how they qual'd, I chuckled. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:50:37 AM EDT
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Is this the 25yd, 7yd, 7yd, 15yd course?
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:51:34 AM EDT
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Didn't read article... What distance? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:53:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this the 25yd, 7yd, 7yd, 15yd course? 40 shots in 40 seconds? 30? 20? 10? Makes a big difference. Never mind, Answered above. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn't read article... What distance? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://rifleshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/USMC-CPP-COF.png So basically, at 25yards, you have 7 seconds to bring the pistol up and fire ONE shot. And you do this 8 times? Where do i get these targets, I want to re-create this. At 15yrds, 2chest, 2head? with a reload between? 12 seconds? .... |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:56:05 AM EDT
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He shot a 400 (40 shots, 10 points per shot) on our new pistol course. I've only shot this course two times, and I have also shot a 400 both times. It is infinitely easier than our previous qual course, which was next to impossible to shoot perfectly with a rack grade Beretta. Its nice to know that we're also bragging about prequal scores. Bottom line, the USMC reduced its standards. Most shooters at the IDPA Expert skill lever or higher would shoot a 400 on this course. Old course? Just getting Expert was a challenge and you NEVER saw anyone shoot into the 390s. Pretty much this. Not taking anything away from the Gunny- that's still some good shooting, but IMO the new course is easier...for most people. I've seen some people REALLY struggle however if they are uncomfortable drawing the pistol. THe old course didn't require a draw, the new one does. My last qual we had 3 guys out of about 20-25 shoot 400s. I shot like a 397 or something IIRC. My best score on the old course was like a 380 or 385 IIRC. I'm not so sure I'd say the standards were lowered, it's just a different course that *most* people shoot better on....I say that I wouldn't consider it a reduction in standards necessarily mainly because it requires the draw and has stricter time limits which makes it a little more applicable to actual combat shooting. ETA- a lot of people fumble the mag change as well. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:57:10 AM EDT
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I've shot perfect four times (USAF) on the M-16A2, twice on the M-4, and twice on the M9. What's the big deal? No offense of course. Do you guys shoot at 500m?
To put this in perspective, I was the company high shooter on rifle a few years back. M-16 with irons. I shot a 240 out of 250 points. This was out of 250 Marines. I have never personally seen anyone shoot a perfect score on the USMC rifle qual. I know it's happened, but it's uncommon. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:01:27 PM EDT
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http://rifleshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/USMC-CPP-COF.png So basically, at 25yards, you have 7 seconds to bring the pistol up and fire ONE shot. And you do this 8 times? Where do i get these targets, I want to re-create this. At 15yrds, 2chest, 2head? with a reload between? 12 seconds? .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't read article... What distance? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://rifleshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/USMC-CPP-COF.png So basically, at 25yards, you have 7 seconds to bring the pistol up and fire ONE shot. And you do this 8 times? Where do i get these targets, I want to re-create this. At 15yrds, 2chest, 2head? with a reload between? 12 seconds? .... http://www.targets.net/html/Targets/M/MPMS-1.html |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:09:00 PM EDT
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For those who can't read the chart. From seven yards draw and fire two rounds in five seconds. Do it three times From seven yards draw and do a Mozambique in 7 seconds. Do it twice. From seven yards draw, fire two rounds, do a slide lock reload and fire two more rounds in 9 seconds. From 15 yards draw and fire two rounds in six seconds. Do it six times. From 15 yards draw, fire two rounds, do a slide lock reload and fire two more rounds in 12 seconds. From 25 yards fire one single action shot in 7 seconds. Do it 8 times. Good job on Gunny's part but that isn't exactly winning Perry or USPSA Nationals. He's a skilled shooter but not quite the shooting god the article is hyping just a lot better than the average Marine. I'd expect a C class USPA shooter could do that pretty easily. Those time standards are crazy slow. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:09:22 PM EDT
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I got 30/30 on the Army course, wearing my gas mask with only 30 rouns. Good shhoting but not all that hard.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:17:21 PM EDT
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The best I ever did on the old qual course with the pistol was 392, with the rifle it was 243. The day I shot 243 I was stoked, until I got back to the shop and found out that two of the other guys in the shop fired 244 and 245.
 This was out of a shop of 11 guys.
I retired with 13 consecutive expert awards with the rifle and 9 with the pistol. I wanted to have 20th award expert when I retired but, they stopped letting me shoot the rifle after going over 14 years as a Gunny and they stopped letting me shoot the pistol after 20 years. 
What really helped me was doing the Combat Marksmanship Instructors course and the CQB course at SOTG a couple of times. I figured out that in the three years I was with the MEU(SOC) I fired around a quarter million rounds through the M9, MP-5 and various other weapons. I really miss the days of unlimited free ammo to shoot.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:18:59 PM EDT
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7 time pistol expert on the old course.
6 times with an M9 and 1 time with a 2 1/2" S&W model 19 shooting .38 rounds 
I shot the dirt once at the 7 yd line  still got expert
That target posted for the new course of fire appears to be MUCH easier. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:22:24 PM EDT
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Fun fact for you guys.
When the High Shooter note is put in the base paper (The Jetstream) every week it has a picture of MY personal M1911. 
I qualed on that range many times but never on the new course. My all time high score was 387. 
Congrats Guns. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 10:29:54 PM EDT
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Having shot both I would say the rifle is about the same hardness, people like to dog on The AF reduced range course but it can be tricky. The Hard thing about the AF rifle course was having to shoot with a gas mask or if you got stuck Qualifying in the dead of winter.... Thought the Marine KD qual course was easy but I shot HP for a few yrs, Off hand, rapid fire and 500M was no big deal.
I did get to shoot the old Marine pistol course once with the local reserve unit and I thought the AF M9 Qual was harder esp since you had to use the CATM M9 's with fried bbls from shooting that shit frangible lead free ammo, the last one I shot before retiring you could barely make out the rifling and that POS probably wouldn't put every shot in the circle from a Ransom Rest...... |
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