Your just upset you are losing the argument.

Yeah, one of the strongest recruiting grounds for al Qaeda has been technical schools--engineering and medical, for example. Often students one generation out of the village, or encountering Western culture. Like Qtub, who flipped out at a church social in dry 1940's Greely, Colorado.

You guys are taking everything very literately.  She's trying to say that a gun will kill the crazy ass terrorist..........but until you start educating the people (as kids) who end up becoming the terrorists, you will never stop the method that the terrorists are created (uneducated poor people who have nothing to lose, and are promised everything if they "fight for Alaha".  

Are there educated terrorists...sure their are.  But don't try to tell me that the majority of people who are blowing themselves up in the name name of Alaha are Doctors and Lawyers.  

Bingo!! That's what she is saying.  Fix them BEFORE they turn into terrorists.

The Ft Hood shooter was a doctor wasn't he?

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From the bleachers, steinhab seems to be scoring run after run, while pitching a shutout.

That's just my opinion, though.

FPNI.

Educate, eradicate.

This broad is as wrong as those who think women should be in burquas.

Yes, I'm well aware of that. Does that, in any way, negate what I wrote?

One guy shows up to a meeting that was supposed to be civil with 5-6,000 men, mostly unarmed and those with arms they were small knives, clubs, slings, no major warfighting equipment. The other one shows up with artillery, cavalry, and armored infantry, in a prelaid ambush position, with a plan already set up to attack on a prearranged signal. It doesn't take a PhD to figure out which side was the aggressor, regardless of whatever Hemming wrote.

Let's even look at what Pizarro did after he received the ransome for Atahuallpa; did he release him, even after the Incan king had converted to Catholicism? Nope, he had him garroted.

Is this some great European civilized ideology that led Pizarro to conquer the Incans? Hell no. Deceit and military technology and experiences professional soldiers is what brought down the Incans.

Even if that's true, can you blame them? Their lands were being invaded and occupied by foreigners.

Am I the only one sick of this chick? I wish she'd just fuck off already.

Yeah, because everyone was playing by the same rules. It's not like Indians were living peacefull and then all of a sudden the white man came and started killing them and stealing shit. It was just normal course for human groups when different cultures come into contact and the stronger and superior culture wins. Only recently have we started treating the conquered the way we are

no doubt, getting shot doesn't qualify you as shit other than a target

I hate martyrs, especially pacifists

Says the guy that believes that Pizarro ambushing a bunch of unarmed Incans was a triumph of western cultural ideology. What made up phrase do you use to name that conflict? The Peruvian War of Liberation?

No, it isn't just your opinion.

as noted, some of the most violent muslim terrorists were the most educated.

but yours would make a nifty bumper sticker on a suburu

kill terrorists and educate the rest that mohammad didn't know what he was talking about.



 

I don't think we have that kind of time, ma'am.

Exactly. Everyone was playing by the same rules. Warfare. It wasn't culture, or ideology, or enlightenment, just one group being being better at killing people than the other. Knowing that, we can't rightly go back and say that present day 3rd worlders are less civilized compared to those of European ancestry when they are practicing the exact same practices that allowed Europe to conquer the world, they are fighting for control of foreigners and taking it by force. They haven't even gotten into their groove yet. Once they combine technology and organization with mass killing for ideological reasons, then they can really say they are as good as the Europeans.

Why do we try to make believe that western civilization wasn't earned with the point of a spear or bayonet? We should embrace that shit, especially since losing that mindset will end up costing us our culture, all of it.

I agree with everything you said, except for the "superior culture" part. (Perhaps we differ on what constitutes a "superior" culture.)

But, I do not see where it negates what I said in my previous post.

I guess I was disputing your stance on superiority. European settlers had superior numbers, technology, cohesion, tactics, economics, agricultural practices, etc etc.

That's why they won, and those are defining aspects of culture. When we study past cultures those are the kind of things we look at

Are you a native by any chance? Just curious, not implying anything with the question

Shouldn't that be, then they will be as civilized as the Europeans (and Americans)?

Ah, okay. Yes, I agree with that. I was thinking of moral superiority.

Yes, I am a native American. I was born here. But, my ancestry is European.

The Spaniards were terrified when they realized the large number of indians they faced. Only 169 men up against tens of thousands. The plan they came up with was the only thing they could think of to survive.

Hemming wrote an actual history based upon source documents. He was also sympathetic to the indians. Even before they ecountered Atahuallpa they expected a harsh welcome; they were warned they would pay dearly for defiling the "nuns" who were the source of the Inca's concubines. Atahuallpa told the Spanish he intended to sieze them, sacrifise some and castrate others to become guards for his concubines.

There is only one way a nation of millions with tens of thousands under arms is taken down by 169 men: supreme bad decision making. It is the only possible answer.  

As far as killing Atahuallpa, the reason was because they thought he was secretly commanding a resistance to the Spaniards. Some of Pizarro's lieutenants had been pushing to kill him for that reason. Pizarro was eventually convinced. IIRC there was a faction opposed. By converting he avoided death by burning.

To a certain point so do I.  They certainly manipulate the F out of the peons in their midst.  Here take this vest and go over there and you'll get your 72 virgins.  (you dumb schmuck, I wouldn't do it myself).

If their population had an education other than mosque hate filled thoughts then maybe they'd make something of themselves.

If there is one core skill on which to grade culture it is the culture's ability to defend itself. Cultures that lose tend to be inferior on the most important aspect of culture.

Another key part as I understand it, in my very limited knowledge of Islam, is that in their beliefs nothing happens unless it's gods will. Even the bad things that happen are gods will.

So when a complete dick head is running the show they have to go along with it because it's gods will. Going against the strong man is going against god. They go along with who ever is in charge and whatever that person says because doing so would be defying gods will which they won't do. The guy in charge wouldn't be in charge if god didn't want him to be.

The warfare of Muslims today is different then the warfare of the Europeans. Europeans won stand up fights in battle. Muslims launch terror attacks but can't win stand up fights.

Culture is still the significant reason.

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

First statement has been demonstrated.

Second statement implies some willingness to learn and get along.....

But no doubt terrorists were themselves "educated".

 
As usual, you seem almost pathologically incapable of reading anything I say and understanding it. It's like you read normal sentences and turn them around or put your own words in them.






So, here you go sparky....






What did the first post say? Do both. Educate. Kill them. I'm not a peacenik or a liberal. I fucking detest Islam as a social order.






Education isn't just school btw, it's parenting, social education, expectations and rules to live in an humane society. Educate them that their ways are 13th century bullshit, that their sky-fairy isn't going to reward them with virgins, that being decent to one another is preferable to burning the world down. Some of them won't get it, obviously, some will....probably most will over the course of time.






The ones that don't? Kill the fuck out of them.






Education works, not 100%, but it's why we're not still living like Islam is...even tho Christianity had a period just as dark.






If that strikes you as outlandish or naive, dude, you have issues.




 

Which is a perfectly reasonable attitude, if one believes that god is omniscient and omnipotent.

After a fashion she is right..................however, Muslims have to want to be educated............if not, then use that education to build better weapons to kill them

Arn't there a lot of terrorists that are killed with weapons other than guns? I guess Malala doesn't know shit about terrorists or terrorism. At least not compared to GD.

Get's shot, and talks shit.  So Tupac without the talent.

Funny how the little shit is so fucking preachy towards the west from her home in England, but isn't in Syria or Iraq trying to blog sense into the minds of ISIS.  

I knew her dumbass was going to be a problem.

straight locally, curved globally

Both tools seem highly inefficient.

Do you believe your contention is accurate?

The majority stop their formal education at 8th grade.

so getting educated on the best way to kill a terrorist is what she's saying???

Bullshit. Ghandi gave away half of india to islamic terrorists.  They now call this area "pakistan". You may have heard of it.
it's a major exporter and harborer of terrorism. Or so I've heard.

I firmly believe that damn near everyone should be armed.  I alsi believe that low levels of education significantly increases the potential for radical ideas to take root and spread.

ghandi was successful because he ws appealing to a moral society.  he would have been shot in pre-colonial "india"

ghandi was a racist who was just pissed his race wasnt in charge.

She is not well-versed in reality to know that some things are not easily solved by education.  Muslim ideology  includes killing Westerners and you may never end that...or it may take centuries or some sort of significant event that I cannot fathom.

Just because she is famous does not make her viewpoints/opinions right.

Oh, it's amazing isn't it? Gotta look tough no matter what.

She never said "a 4 year degree kills terrorism". She's talking about education from a young age not to be a terrorist. You know don't hit, be nice to other people even if they do something you don't like. That kind of thing.

Not necessarily. The Christian faith holds god to be omniscient and omnipotent yet still recognizes forces of evil going against gods plan, and that when people are doing bad things it is not in gods name nor is it gods will.

Culture in what? There is one specific facet that Muslim culture is deficient on that prevents it from conquering the world. They lack the military ability to do it. They lack the ability because the Muslim world didn't spend the better part of 400 years fighting each other tooth and nail all while the most innovative of historical engineering designs were taking place. Instead,they were relatively stagnant, with the Ottomans controlling them. Compare this to Europe, which had every kingdom and principality fiercely at war with one another, transferring ideas on newly designed printing presses. Innovating. Primarily in better methods to kill one another. Many of the sociological and cultural concepts that went along with military science became ingrained into the fabric of civilian culture too, discipline, organization, logistics, all perfected during the tumultuous 16th-18th century, which started out with feudal armies fighting each other with swords and spears, and ended with regiments of mass conscripted infantry, in standardized matching uniforms, carrying identical muskets which all were made with interchangeable parts, operating off a set of discipline and commands that turned men into disciplined killing machine who marched in near perfect synchronization.

The Islamic world missed all of that, most of them didn't even have true interactions with westerners until the age we were already flying planes and building tanks. By that point, too much had changed too quickly for most Middle Easterners to embrace.  Note that it wasn't just the Muslims of that area who were left behind, Christians living there, and non-Ashkenazi Jews. Much of the Balkans, same problem, they missed out. Most of Russia, same thing, they missed out. Asia, same thing. A few nations had a culture capable of embracing the new ideologies, like the Japanese who embraced some, while discarding others, much to their peril. Others like Russia and China simply killed their way to change the country, using force to eliminate all those who refused or were incapable/unwilling to adopt (Russian collectivization and industrialization and the Chinese Cultural Revolution). They too missed enough that they often have issues performing militarily similarly to western nations.

And that same superior culture that allowed Europeans to take over the world allowed them to lose everything, to have their people embrace socialism and communism, becoming weak and complacent.

I never received anti-terrorism growing up and I have no desire to associate with ISIS.  I have never looked for their on-line presence and I believe that they need to be eradicated by whichever method(s) kills them the quickest.

Love can change the world, bullets are just faster