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Posted: 12/18/2015 9:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: or his Sailor Moon outfit  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pics of wife in Catholic schoolgirl outfit?  (Don't ban me, bro  )Well, at least they would be better than pics of Aimless in his Catholic school girl outfit. or his Sailor Moon outfit |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 9:59:26 PM EDT
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/12/18/pope-francis-approves-miracle-required-to-make-mother-teresa-saint.html?intcmp=hplnws "Pope Francis has approved the second miracle required to elevate Mother Teresa, one the Catholic Church's most famous figures of the 20th century, to sainthood, the Vatican confirmed Friday. Mother Teresa's canonization ceremony is expected to take place sometime late next year. Italian media have speculated that the ceremony will take place in the first week of September -- to coincide with the anniversary of her death, and during Francis' Holy Year of Mercy. A Vatican statement said the second miracle involved a Brazilian man with a viral brain infection that resulted in multiple abscesses with triventricular hydrocephalus. In December 2008 the patient was in a coma and dying and various treatments had been ineffective. The patient’s wife is said to have continuously sought the intercession of Mother Teresa for her husband. On Dec. 9, while the patient was being wheeled into an operating room for emergency surgery, his wife went to church and along with the pastor begged Mother Teresa for the cure. The Vatican statement added that 30 minutes after the patient arrived in the operating room, the doctor found the patient awake and without pain. The patient then asked the doctor, "What am I doing here?" The man, now completely healed, resumed his work as a mechanical engineer without any particular limitation." More at link More Vatican Horseshit... |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 9:59:35 PM EDT
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Fuck that bitch, if there's ever a hell may she be in the deepest and darkest and hottest part of it. For those who dont know, she used sick and near death patients and wouldn't let them have medical attention and use them for her PR & publicity stunt. Not to mention millions and millions of dollars in aid never reached the sick and poor she claimed to nurture and care for. 
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:01:08 PM EDT
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She never claimed to have hospitals. Her mission was to care for the dying the Indians sometimes just left in the streets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Vatican math: one or two people survived, thousands died in her "hospitals" receiving no medicine or treatment. Sainthood! She never claimed to have hospitals. Her mission was to care for the dying the Indians sometimes just left in the streets. Please don't let your facts get in the way of the Catholic Bashing circle jerk. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:01:59 PM EDT
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LoL as long as you incur the entire cost of trip to India. No thanks I will still to the facts. Next you will challenge me to say Nelson Mandela was not a communist terrorist and a warlord and was messenger of peace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that bitch, if there's ever a hell may she be in the deepest and darkest and hottest part of it. For those who dont know, she used sick and near death patients and wouldn't let them have medical attention and use them for her PR & publicity stunt. Not to mention millions and millions of dollars in aid never reached the sick and poor she claimed to nurture and care for.
You are full of shit. I challenge you to prove any of that. LoL as long as you incur the entire cost of trip to India. No thanks I will still to the facts. Next you will challenge me to say Nelson Mandela was not a communist terrorist and a warlord and was messenger of peace. So basically you're full of shit and should STFU |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:02:22 PM EDT
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Because of my work, I've been fortunate to have spent timewith many important/well known people. One of them was Mother Teresa. Without question, she was the most impressive and memorable. This will be scoffed at, but there was something about her that was inexplicably different than anyone I've ever been with. Wish I could better explain it..... I am neither Catholic nor especially active in any church. WTF? You were with Mother Teresa |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:02:35 PM EDT
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LoL as long as you incur the entire cost of trip to India. No thanks I will still to the facts. Next you will challenge me to say Nelson Mandela was not a communist terrorist and a warlord and was messenger of peace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that bitch, if there's ever a hell may she be in the deepest and darkest and hottest part of it. For those who dont know, she used sick and near death patients and wouldn't let them have medical attention and use them for her PR & publicity stunt. Not to mention millions and millions of dollars in aid never reached the sick and poor she claimed to nurture and care for.
You are full of shit. I challenge you to prove any of that. LoL as long as you incur the entire cost of trip to India. No thanks I will still to the facts. Next you will challenge me to say Nelson Mandela was not a communist terrorist and a warlord and was messenger of peace. So, you can't prove it? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:04:14 PM EDT
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Not this socialist commie pope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Not this socialist commie pope. You clearly don't understand the meaning of "socialist" or "commie" |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:04:24 PM EDT
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Where do you guys think all that money went? Because she sure wasn't spending it on improving conditions, providing medical care, or lessening suffering. How can you really defend someone that thinks that poor people suffering is a good thing? Cite |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:04:29 PM EDT
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The Pope, taking cues from the obama playbook. Maybe the Pope can get her a nobel prize too. Oh....wait.....
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:05:09 PM EDT
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I think it's widely known that those dirt poor Indian peasants loved her and it's probably because she gave them comfort among other things.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His book, The Missionary aid and comfort". For her suffering (by others) was a noble virtue. Her hospitals, etc. just warehoused the poor and were just to give the appearance of "doing something". They (the poor and sick) were free to leave or go else where, but they didn't. That ought to tell you something. Virtually all Catholics view suffering as a noble virtue You are a dirt poor Indian dying of TB.How many options do you have? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think it's widely known that those dirt poor Indian peasants loved her and it's probably because she gave them comfort among other things. What other things? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:05:29 PM EDT
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I'll stir the shit a bit. Both her miracles were based on spontaneous medical remissions. One for a cancer and another for an infection. Ask any doctor but spontaneous medical remissions of diseases of all kinds happen ALL the time. Heck, placebos have an efficacy rate of around 30%. So there are a potential 30% of cures that cannot be attributed to medical intervention. THAT is a lot of "miracles". Now that the mechanism of placebo effect is better understood (well, it is not understood at all but it is there) the Catholic church really needs to review the whole sainthood requirement in light of modern medical observation.
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:06:13 PM EDT
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Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:06:18 PM EDT
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The Pope's a Joke. He approves of this miracle?? can no one see through that popish BS?
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:07:10 PM EDT
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I don't dispute that..However this is a man made tradition and is completely UN-Biblical. I can call you a moron but that doesn't make you one Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She's no more a Saint than any other Born Again Christian. Simply a tradition of the Catholic church. They apparently don't study their Bible but take what the priest and pope a dope have to say about it. The Bible is full of contradictions to this fable. <snip> Did you try writing them a letter? ETA: ...or, their church, their rules? I don't dispute that..However this is a man made tradition and is completely UN-Biblical. I can call you a moron but that doesn't make you one But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:08:58 PM EDT
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She believed that suffering brought us closer to Jesus. "Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” - Mother TeresaShe wasn't concerned with reducing suffering, she wanted to bring people to Jesus. This quote is taken way out of context. It means the exact opposite of what you are claiming. The biggest hits against her is that her charity only got about 7% of its money actually used to help the people in her hospices (not hospitals, she did not run hospitals). I'm not sure that can be laid at her feet though, it isn't like she was in charge of the money. Most of the money collected was used administratively or to fund missionary work. Cite Most of the negative attention is due to her hospices, which were substandard compared to ours. They were light years ahead of dying in the gutter in Calcutta though. They also don't like her stance on abortion and contraception. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never heard this. I would think that with all the scrutiny she was under, this would be headline news. "Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” - Mother TeresaShe wasn't concerned with reducing suffering, she wanted to bring people to Jesus. This quote is taken way out of context. It means the exact opposite of what you are claiming. The biggest hits against her is that her charity only got about 7% of its money actually used to help the people in her hospices (not hospitals, she did not run hospitals). I'm not sure that can be laid at her feet though, it isn't like she was in charge of the money. Most of the money collected was used administratively or to fund missionary work. Cite Most of the negative attention is due to her hospices, which were substandard compared to ours. They were light years ahead of dying in the gutter in Calcutta though. They also don't like her stance on abortion and contraception. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:11:48 PM EDT
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Had a co-worker who went to see her when she visited San Francisco. He was with two big buddies. When she approached, they fell to their knees. He doesn't know why as he had not intention of dropping but for some unexplained reason they couldn't stand. She blessed each of them. How's it working out for them? Why are you so bitter, so angry? If you hate religion, great. Why attack it? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:14:29 PM EDT
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But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She's no more a Saint than any other Born Again Christian. Simply a tradition of the Catholic church. They apparently don't study their Bible but take what the priest and pope a dope have to say about it. The Bible is full of contradictions to this fable. <snip> Did you try writing them a letter? ETA: ...or, their church, their rules? I don't dispute that..However this is a man made tradition and is completely UN-Biblical. I can call you a moron but that doesn't make you one But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? TRADITIONS need to be measured against the Biblical teaching. If it doesn't align with the scriptures it is wrong. That can become IDOL WORSHIP real easy. When you lift a human up you create an idol. She did nothing special. I have seen many miracles through the years and as far as I know no one received any credit for them. God hears and answers prayers for all his children. Maybe not the way we would like sometimes but he does answer. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:16:00 PM EDT
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Why are you so bitter, so angry? If you hate religion, great. Why attack it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had a co-worker who went to see her when she visited San Francisco. He was with two big buddies. When she approached, they fell to their knees. He doesn't know why as he had not intention of dropping but for some unexplained reason they couldn't stand. She blessed each of them. How's it working out for them? Why are you so bitter, so angry? If you hate religion, great. Why attack it? Not an attack. Serious question. Has it made any difference in their lives? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:19:06 PM EDT
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TRADITIONS need to be measured against the Biblical teaching. If it doesn't align with the scriptures it is wrong. That can become IDOL WORSHIP real easy. When you lift a human up you create an idol. She did nothing special. I have seen many miracles through the years and as far as I know no one received any credit for them. God hears and answers prayers for all his children. Maybe not the way we would like sometimes but he does answer. Saints are not divine, nor does the Church recognize them as divine. You have a very poor understanding of Catholicism. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:19:54 PM EDT
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I must have confused your intent with the other score of angry posts you've made. Not an attack. Serious question. Has it made any difference in their lives? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had a co-worker who went to see her when she visited San Francisco. He was with two big buddies. When she approached, they fell to their knees. He doesn't know why as he had not intention of dropping but for some unexplained reason they couldn't stand. She blessed each of them. How's it working out for them? Why are you so bitter, so angry? If you hate religion, great. Why attack it? I must have confused your intent with the other score of angry posts you've made. Not an attack. Serious question. Has it made any difference in their lives? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:21:18 PM EDT
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Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. Doesn't understand catholic prayer |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:22:59 PM EDT
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TRADITIONS need to be measured against the Biblical teaching. If it doesn't align with the scriptures it is wrong. That can become IDOL WORSHIP real easy. When you lift a human up you create an idol. She did nothing special. I have seen many miracles through the years and as far as I know no one received any credit for them. God hears and answers prayers for all his children. Maybe not the way we would like sometimes but he does answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She's no more a Saint than any other Born Again Christian. Simply a tradition of the Catholic church. They apparently don't study their Bible but take what the priest and pope a dope have to say about it. The Bible is full of contradictions to this fable. <snip> Did you try writing them a letter? ETA: ...or, their church, their rules? I don't dispute that..However this is a man made tradition and is completely UN-Biblical. I can call you a moron but that doesn't make you one But what does it mean, calling her a saint? It doesn't "make" her anything. She's still dead. It's nothing more than the Catholic Hall of Fame. As for un-biblical traditions, every Bible-based church there is does things a different way. Is yours the only one that's right, or are those just traditions? TRADITIONS need to be measured against the Biblical teaching. If it doesn't align with the scriptures it is wrong. That can become IDOL WORSHIP real easy. When you lift a human up you create an idol. She did nothing special. I have seen many miracles through the years and as far as I know no one received any credit for them. God hears and answers prayers for all his children. Maybe not the way we would like sometimes but he does answer. Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:23:42 PM EDT
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Saints are not divine, nor does the Church recognize them as divine. You have a very poor understanding of Catholicism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TRADITIONS need to be measured against the Biblical teaching. If it doesn't align with the scriptures it is wrong. That can become IDOL WORSHIP real easy. When you lift a human up you create an idol. She did nothing special. I have seen many miracles through the years and as far as I know no one received any credit for them. God hears and answers prayers for all his children. Maybe not the way we would like sometimes but he does answer. Saints are not divine, nor does the Church recognize them as divine. You have a very poor understanding of Catholicism. Yes, that's what I thought. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:27:23 PM EDT
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There is none in Catholicism either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. There is none in Catholicism either. Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have never heard this. I would think that with all the scrutiny she was under, this would be headline news. "Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” - Mother TeresaShe wasn't concerned with reducing suffering, she wanted to bring people to Jesus. This quote is taken way out of context. It means the exact opposite of what you are claiming. She said many times she viewed suffering as a gift from God and it brought the sufferers closer to Jesus. I could list about 20 more quotes all saying that. She viewed suffering as having a benefit to salvation. The biggest hits against her is that her charity only got about 7% of its money actually used to help the people in her hospices (not hospitals, she did not run hospitals). I'm not sure that can be laid at her feet though, it isn't like she was in charge of the money. Most of the money collected was used administratively or to fund missionary work. Cite This isn't college and I'm not writing a paper. Do your own research. There is an entire wiki page (with cites) that lists ALL of the criticisms of Mother Teresa. Most of the negative attention is due to her hospices, which were substandard compared to ours. They were light years ahead of dying in the gutter in Calcutta though. They also don't like her stance on abortion and contraception. Someone said they had never heard of the criticisms of her. I gave a general overview. I could give 2 shits if you like that overview. The post wasn't for you. I think she was a good woman and is worthy of being considered a saint, but others disagree, and they have legitimate issues with her. It is too bad they did away with the devil's advocate in canonizing saints. Issues like these were aired in the past. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:31:09 PM EDT
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I must have confused your intent with the other score of angry posts you've made. (FIFY) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had a co-worker who went to see her when she visited San Francisco. He was with two big buddies. When she approached, they fell to their knees. He doesn't know why as he had not intention of dropping but for some unexplained reason they couldn't stand. She blessed each of them. How's it working out for them? Why are you so bitter, so angry? If you hate religion, great. Why attack it? Not an attack. Serious question. Has it made any difference in their lives? I must have confused your intent with the other score of angry posts you've made. (FIFY) I've not posted anything angry at all. I'm not anti-religion, and I believe everyone should worship however they want. I just don't believe that if there is a God, he gives a damn (literally) what kind of church you go to, or how you interpret the bible. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:31:25 PM EDT
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I'm always pleased to see how religion brings people together.
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. There is none in Catholicism either. Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. It is practiced by Protestants too. A prayer circle is no different. The Catholics just allow people have have designated as Saints to be in the prayer circle. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:31:45 PM EDT
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Non Catholics spend a lot of time worrying about what Catholics get up to This pope has certainly spent a lot of time worrying about what non-Catholics get up to. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm always pleased to see how religion brings people together. CITE!!! j/k assholes on both sides, it is going to happen |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:34:51 PM EDT
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Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:37:27 PM EDT
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Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. There is none in Catholicism either. Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:39:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. Edit and she's a saint |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:39:03 PM EDT
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Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. I agree. I would say the same about all men. Edit: which as why you may have taken my remarks about sainthood as shots against religion in general. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:39:40 PM EDT
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Someone said they had never heard of the criticisms of her. I gave a general overview. I could give 2 shits if you like that overview. The post wasn't for you. I think she was a good woman and is worthy of being considered a saint, but others disagree, and they have legitimate issues with her. It is too bad they did away with the devil's advocate in canonizing saints. Issues like these were aired in the past. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never heard this. I would think that with all the scrutiny she was under, this would be headline news. "Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” - Mother TeresaShe wasn't concerned with reducing suffering, she wanted to bring people to Jesus. This quote is taken way out of context. It means the exact opposite of what you are claiming. She said many times she viewed suffering as a gift from God and it brought the sufferers closer to Jesus. I could list about 20 more quotes all saying that. She viewed suffering as having a benefit to salvation. The biggest hits against her is that her charity only got about 7% of its money actually used to help the people in her hospices (not hospitals, she did not run hospitals). I'm not sure that can be laid at her feet though, it isn't like she was in charge of the money. Most of the money collected was used administratively or to fund missionary work. Cite This isn't college and I'm not writing a paper. Do your own research. There is an entire wiki page (with cites) that lists ALL of the criticisms of Mother Teresa. Most of the negative attention is due to her hospices, which were substandard compared to ours. They were light years ahead of dying in the gutter in Calcutta though. They also don't like her stance on abortion and contraception. Someone said they had never heard of the criticisms of her. I gave a general overview. I could give 2 shits if you like that overview. The post wasn't for you. I think she was a good woman and is worthy of being considered a saint, but others disagree, and they have legitimate issues with her. It is too bad they did away with the devil's advocate in canonizing saints. Issues like these were aired in the past. Again, cite. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:40:56 PM EDT
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The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. There is none in Catholicism either. Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? I have! Prayers have been answered too. I was not the only one praying about the situations but I was praying. I'd have to say I'm no saint, except in the eyes of God who has forgiven me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:42:35 PM EDT
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I've not posted anything angry at all. I'm not anti-religion, and I believe everyone should worship however they want. I just don't believe that if there is a God, he gives a damn (literally) what kind of church you go to, or how you interpret the bible. And that's what we are doing. So let others worry about their church and their interpretation if they so desire. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:45:53 PM EDT
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Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. They are not considered more special, divine, or closer to God. Other than Apostolic succession and what it entails, the Church sees the Pope as no different than you or me. He is a man, and as such is deeply flawed and capable of sin, just as were the Apostles. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:47:28 PM EDT
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A well deserved honor for her.
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Except the Pope's infallible In only one specific area. Edit and she's a saint She is a recognized saint, and as such is no different than millions of others who now live or have lived before her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do Catholics worship saints? I really don't know. Not sure if you call it worship but the pope, the priests, the SAINTS are all in some way much closer to God to them and thereby I guess you could call it worship. The pope is no better or more special in the eyes of God than any born again Christian. He's a man. She's a woman. Nothing special. Edit and she's a saint She is a recognized saint, and as such is no different than millions of others who now live or have lived before her. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 10:57:01 PM EDT
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"Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Jesus - a sign that you have come so close to Him that He can kiss you.” - Mother Teresa She wasn't concerned with reducing suffering, she wanted to bring people to Jesus. That is some of the most fucked up shit I have ever read. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:04:24 PM EDT
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The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Nope, the results are orders of magnitude different, positive, and real, and there are no intermediate approvers, conduits, or intercessories. Protestant prayer is amazing like that. There is none in Catholicism either. Intercessory prayer is practiced by Catholics. The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? That is a far different practice than pleading for a saint to pray for us. Praying to Mary is particularly disturbing as it is often enough not intercessory, but prayer directly to Mary for blessing and reward. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:05:35 PM EDT
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... The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? That is a far different practice than pleading for a saint, a dead person, to pray for us. Praying to Mary is particularly disturbing as it is often enough not intercessory, but prayer directly to Mary for blessing and reward. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:08:23 PM EDT
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That is a far different practice than pleading for a saint, a dead person, to pray for us. Praying to Mary is particularly disturbing as it is often enough not intercessory, but prayer directly to Mary for blessing and reward. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? That is a far different practice than pleading for a saint, a dead person, to pray for us. Praying to Mary is particularly disturbing as it is often enough not intercessory, but prayer directly to Mary for blessing and reward. I have no idea where you are getting your information from. Please cite the Cannon law, the Catechism, or any other Church doctrine that supports your claim. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:10:06 PM EDT
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Where do you guys think all that money went? Because she sure wasn't spending it on improving conditions, providing medical care, or lessening suffering. How can you really defend someone that thinks that poor people suffering is a good thing? Cite Here you go... Here's your cites, 23 to be exact. Yeah, it's Wiki, but cites are noted along with several web links. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:10:38 PM EDT
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Edit and she's a saint And so am I, and assuming that you have accepted Jesus as your Savior, so are you. 
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:28:41 PM EDT
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And so am I, and assuming that you have accepted Jesus as your Savior, so are you.
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Edit and she's a saint And so am I, and assuming that you have accepted Jesus as your Savior, so are you.
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:54:40 PM EDT
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Here you go... Here's your cites, 23 to be exact. Yeah, it's Wiki, but cites are noted along with several web links. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where do you guys think all that money went? Because she sure wasn't spending it on improving conditions, providing medical care, or lessening suffering. How can you really defend someone that thinks that poor people suffering is a good thing? Cite Here you go... Here's your cites, 23 to be exact. Yeah, it's Wiki, but cites are noted along with several web links. Did you look at the sources? Hutchinson is used extensively, as is one study from the ultra-liberal Université de Montréal, Vijay Prashad, and a host of "criticisms" for accepting honors from people or political leaders later found to have been suspected of bad actions. In short, she was not politically savvy enough to know who did what in world politics, and some liberals have taken issue with her. All of her work was in vain, I guess. You should know better than this. The citation used is akin to attacking gun rights and using Chuck Schumer, Berkley, and some MSNBC broadcasts reports. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 12:11:33 AM EDT
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God bless her. I was very happy to hear of this. May we all be so blessed.
Assuming a marketing perspective only for lack of a better term. What would happen to the credibility of the Church if they canonized people willy nilly? Do you really think they are careless or obtuse about the canonization process? |
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