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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:52:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:53:41 PM EDT
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I'll wait for real people reviews. Not much faith in this being decent.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:55:05 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:56:13 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:57:29 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:57:41 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? Cue Michael Jackson |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:58:03 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:58:22 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? Story repeatedly references his tan, weather beaten skin and his bombardier blue eyes. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:58:33 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? Jesus was black Captain sisko was white Pocahontas was chinese It's not like there were story elements that relighed on that fact either... |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:59:49 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. 
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:01:53 PM EDT
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If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. I never read the book. So that's why I was asking. I didn't mean any thing accusatory by it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:03:14 PM EDT
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If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Come on averwo. Where is your reply to the book actually having numerous interactions that require Roland to be white to build the character interactions? Oh I see. You just wanted to make me out to be a racist. ETA. Never mind. I see your reply now. I'm sure you can see how your initial reply had a feel all its own. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:04:03 PM EDT
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If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Maybe they will have Odetta be distrustful of a black man. 
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:06:31 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Forgot about odetta....she calls him "a honky mufuh" a few times earlier on...hows that gonna work? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:06:55 PM EDT
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"Weren't no cell phones in 69, I'm head to toe legit" |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:08:38 PM EDT
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Forgot about odetta....she calls him "a honky mufuh" a few times earlier on...hows that gonna work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Forgot about odetta....she calls him "a honky mufuh" a few times earlier on...hows that gonna work? It will be a white woman that hates black people, duh. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:09:46 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. By making him black they have to change large components of another character. Detta Walker hates Roland and Eddie because they were "Honky Mahfahs". A black man is not a honky. Changing Detta to a white racist using another word won't work either, as I highly doubt in this day of BLM it will be allowed on screen. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:11:29 PM EDT
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By making him black they have to change large components of another character. Detta Walker hates Roland and Eddie because they were "Honky Mahfahs". A black man is not a honky. Changing Detta to a white racist using another word won't work either, as I highly doubt in this day of BLM it will be allowed on screen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. By making him black they have to change large components of another character. Detta Walker hates Roland and Eddie because they were "Honky Mahfahs". A black man is not a honky. Changing Detta to a white racist using another word won't work either, as I highly doubt in this day of BLM it will be allowed on screen. Does any book ever translate 100% perfectly to the screen? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:11:54 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Have you read the books mr SJW? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:13:31 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Have you read the books mr SJW? I read the first two years ago. Zero fucks given they made Roland a black guy. And bravo at trying to label me. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:14:22 PM EDT
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If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? If you had read the book you would know there were actual interactions that relied upon him being white. Such as Odetta which built a relationship that started with distrust of a white man. So cast Odette as a poor white women or since she is already crazy make it so that Odette "sees" Roland as a white man. easy enough fix to stay within the bounds of the original story. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:15:34 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Why they let you out of jail i have no idea. 
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:16:12 PM EDT
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That makes about as much sense as Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher, a "mountain of a man".
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:16:18 PM EDT
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By making him black they have to change large components of another character. Detta Walker hates Roland and Eddie because they were "Honky Mahfahs". A black man is not a honky. Changing Detta to a white racist using another word won't work either, as I highly doubt in this day of BLM it will be allowed on screen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. By making him black they have to change large components of another character. Detta Walker hates Roland and Eddie because they were "Honky Mahfahs". A black man is not a honky. Changing Detta to a white racist using another word won't work either, as I highly doubt in this day of BLM it will be allowed on screen. I am also curious as to how they are gonna handle that. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:18:09 PM EDT
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I read the first two years ago. Zero fucks given they made Roland a black guy. And bravo at trying to label me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Have you read the books mr SJW? I read the first two years ago. Zero fucks given they made Roland a black guy. And bravo at trying to label me. And you aren't trying to label us? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:19:03 PM EDT
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Why they let you out of jail i have no idea.
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It doesn't matter but the film/book critics of GD will make it matter. Why they let you out of jail i have no idea.
Your guess is as good as mine. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:19:21 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? Cue Michael Jackson 
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:19:28 PM EDT
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Cliff's notes for those who didn't read the series:
The story starts (and ends) with a great line. In between, there are a few good fantasy and adventure elements, surrounded by a lot of drivel about New York being the center of the universe. And lots of story written from the POV of an angry black woman. And the mythical "dark tower' that looms over the whole story for 5 or 6 books... basically turns out to be nothing at all. So the producers of this movie really wouldn't have to stoop too low to fuck up the story. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:19:59 PM EDT
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Holy fuck some of you.
There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:20:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. This is why you shouldn't read books. History often teaches you things that aren't true. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:20:59 PM EDT
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And you aren't trying to label us? Are you criticizing a movie character based on a book? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:26:36 PM EDT
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Are you criticizing a movie character based on a book? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you aren't trying to label us? Are you criticizing a movie character based on a book? No. I'm criticizing your poor attempt at stirring shit then your crying because I labeled you. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:29:39 PM EDT
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Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. This is how I am looking at it...he can be dark... |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:33:17 PM EDT
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No. I'm criticizing your poor attempt at stirring shit then your crying because I labeled you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you aren't trying to label us? Are you criticizing a movie character based on a book? No. I'm criticizing your poor attempt at stirring shit then your crying because I labeled you. Damn man you got me on that one. 
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:33:27 PM EDT
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Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. Making a white character black is like turning a gunslinger into an archer. It doesn't work. I'd say the same thing if Roland was described as being as dark black as the man from Togo I was at Basic Training with and being changed to white for the movie. A white man isn't black, a black man isn't white. Changing the story to try and make it fit film better is one thing, changing the main character's race is nothing but SJW crap at work. If BLM people can be pissed about a white man playing Michael Jackson in the upcoming movie DT fans can be pissed about this. Equality goes both ways, that's why it's EQUALity. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:33:30 PM EDT
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I loved this casting from day one. Not so sure about McConaughey though but regardless I have been waiting a long time for this.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:34:37 PM EDT
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I loved this casting from day one. Not so sure about McConaughey though but regardless I have been waiting a long time for this. Agreed. Idris Elba is a great actor. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:36:10 PM EDT
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Making a white character black is like turning a gunslinger into an archer. It doesn't work. I'd say the same thing if Roland was described as being as dark black as the man from Togo I was at Basic Training with. A white man isn't black, a black man isn't white. Changing the story to try and make it fit film better is one thing, changing the main character's race is nothing but SJW crap at work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. Making a white character black is like turning a gunslinger into an archer. It doesn't work. I'd say the same thing if Roland was described as being as dark black as the man from Togo I was at Basic Training with. A white man isn't black, a black man isn't white. Changing the story to try and make it fit film better is one thing, changing the main character's race is nothing but SJW crap at work. again the only part of the story that requires him to be black is the "Odetta" story line but that can be fixed that in her "Craziness" she see him as a white man... |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:37:17 PM EDT
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I'd buy into a black Jesus before a black Roland.
Roland being white is as integral to the story as Odetta being black. Finding her center between the 2 extremes she lived in is a major part of the story. I expect this to be a lot like Starship Troopers. A decent movie bearing no resemblance to the original story. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:37:50 PM EDT
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Elba is awesome in everything he does. The movie might suck donkey balls, but I bet he nails the role.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:45:36 PM EDT
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I read every book and I had no idea the gunslinger was black. Why does it matter if he's white or black? It is just that it is politically correct to have a black gun fighter killing white bad guys these days. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:48:50 PM EDT
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From the ancient kingdom of Gilead, which is an african nation now. OK.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:51:31 PM EDT
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Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. Making a white character black is like turning a gunslinger into an archer. It doesn't work. I'd say the same thing if Roland was described as being as dark black as the man from Togo I was at Basic Training with. A white man isn't black, a black man isn't white. Changing the story to try and make it fit film better is one thing, changing the main character's race is nothing but SJW crap at work. again the only part of the story that requires him to be black is the "Odetta" story line but that can be fixed that in her "Craziness" she see him as a white man... I've never seen a black man that had steely blue eyes either. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:53:02 PM EDT
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Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. Making a white character black is like turning a gunslinger into an archer. It doesn't work. I'd say the same thing if Roland was described as being as dark black as the man from Togo I was at Basic Training with. A white man isn't black, a black man isn't white. Changing the story to try and make it fit film better is one thing, changing the main character's race is nothing but SJW crap at work. again the only part of the story that requires him to be black is the "Odetta" story line but that can be fixed that in her "Craziness" she see him as a white man... I've never seen a black man that had steely blue eyes either. Blue faded bombardier eyes. He's from a Hispanic, maybe Romanesque kingdom that is based off of King Arthur's kingdom. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:54:11 PM EDT
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Brilliant actor.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:55:05 PM EDT
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I loved this casting from day one. Not so sure about McConaughey though but regardless I have been waiting a long time for this. Agreed. Idris Elba is a great actor. Agreed, agreed. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:55:17 PM EDT
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I've read a few of the books. Perhaps Matthew McConaughey and Idris Elba should swap roles.
ETA: I'm a big Idris Elba fan and think he should have received an Oscar nod for Beast of No Nation. Unfortunately, the rules regarding movie release worked against him. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:55:21 PM EDT
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Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. No! The movie must 100% follow the book!
Altering the Roland / Odetta dynamic by making Roland black was a pretty significant change. Many of King's works have a "racial tension" aspect, and I would prefer it if Hollywood stuck to the story as King wrote it. It's like the movie Dune, where they invented the "weirding module" weapons for the movie. It was interesting how they did it, but there was no need for it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:56:36 PM EDT
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Benicio Del Toro is still my top pick for Roland.
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Posted: 5/16/2016 7:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen a black man that had steely blue eyes either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Holy fuck some of you. There are 977562778940987477748887736673774893993984848848411344 pages of the various Gunslinger novels. Who cares about one vignette or other? Rejoice that they got a fantastic actor. Making a white character black is like turning a gunslinger into an archer. It doesn't work. I'd say the same thing if Roland was described as being as dark black as the man from Togo I was at Basic Training with. A white man isn't black, a black man isn't white. Changing the story to try and make it fit film better is one thing, changing the main character's race is nothing but SJW crap at work. again the only part of the story that requires him to be black is the "Odetta" story line but that can be fixed that in her "Craziness" she see him as a white man... I've never seen a black man that had steely blue eyes either. If anyone can pull that off it's Idris Elba. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 8:03:24 PM EDT
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Benicio Del Toro is still my top pick for Roland. I like BDT. But I can think of a few actors who would better fit the bill. Matthew McConaughey, Viggo Mortensen, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jamie Lannister from GOT), or Scott Eastwood. |
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