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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:33:07 PM EST
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-just-deployed-the-terminator-to-syria-heres-what-it-can-do-2017-8?ref=yfp

Formidable and worthwhile on the battlefield; or just more Russian Crap?
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:36:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:41:25 PM EST
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Are the controls in Russian? I may have to go steal one of them.
How far is it over the top and through Canada? Is it froze enough?
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:42:51 PM EST
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A10 bait
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:44:31 PM EST
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As an infantry support vehicle, it is more expendable than tank in urban combat.  

Tell you what, send a dozen here and it can be tested in LA, Seattle, Potland, San Francisco, and any other sh*thole where Antifa protests.  Those socialist scum and anarchist PoS can embrace commie goodness.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:45:54 PM EST
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Dress-up in mom's underwear.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:46:15 PM EST
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I am willing to buy one for $40k.  Why isn't it moving and shooting?  Show us that gyrostabilized turret at work.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:47:03 PM EST
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That would be a pretty serious threat. If it stays running.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:47:55 PM EST
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Looks like repurposed parts bolted on to me...
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:49:01 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:49:44 PM EST
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Its a BMP with even more stuff in it to explode.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:52:05 PM EST
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The BMP-T is an infantry buzzsaw. It does have some anti-armor weapons for defense, but its primary function is to turn infantry into bloody chunks.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:52:33 PM EST
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Its a BMP with even more stuff in it to explode.
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Or a t-72 with a turret capable of a low orbit trajectory.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:53:17 PM EST
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Its a BMP with even more stuff in it to explode.
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It's not a BMP. It's a T72 hull with 30mm cannons, thermobaric and antitank missiles, and 30mm grenade launchers
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:54:57 PM EST
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I wonder what the magazine capacity is.


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It's a repurposed tank hull?
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 7:58:33 PM EST
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Are the controls in Russian? I may have to go steal one of them.
How far is it over the top and through Canada? Is it froze enough?
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Yeah but you have to think in Russian.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 8:02:03 PM EST
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I wonder what the magazine capacity is.


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Yes, T-72 chassis.

These were designed to replace the repurposed ZSU-23 Shilkas the Russians were using to clear infantry threats out of tall buildings in urban areas in Chechnya, threats the MBTs were unable to incline their guns enough to engage.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 8:04:05 PM EST
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Russian ADA would make short work of an A10.  I know people have an emotional connection to those things but they would suffer horrible losses in a war with the Russians for example, or any nation with capable and modern ADA.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 8:15:46 PM EST
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The chief flaw with the T72 tank was the exposed shell and powder canister that could cook off and then ignite the cauresel (i know that's spelled wrong i hate my phone), which causes the whole turrent o launch upwards ehen the turret is breached.

With 30mm guns and missiles it probably wont have that problem. But spare ammo needs to be stored somewhere and not much room for a sealed ammo compartment with blow out panels so likely they're still fucked. But not much in the way of a turret, so might be hard to hit it right to kill it up in the first place.

But as a IFV i can see that fucking some shit up, especially in against the reinforced concrete and mudbrick construction of the middle east. Though I'd take the armament of a BMP3 over this, as it has a 100mm cannon (that can fire HE round or ATGM), and a single 30mm cannon. I really can't see a need for two 30mm besides psychological, not very practical. What needs that many 30mm rounds hitting are once? Those things aren't small or lightweight. And a 100mn cannon come in real handy at times when shit needs to completely be demolished.

Probably a remnant of the role of the Terminator's dedicated AAA predecessors which carried two or more cannons and could elevate their guns high enough for street fights during urban warfare. BMPs had shitty armor and couldn't elevate their guns to cover tall buildings in Grozni so they pressed Shilkas into the role of infantry support as well as other AAA vehicles, all had multiple guns of same 25-30mm caliber. But their armor was shit, design was too tall (RPG magnet), and really crappy fire control for using the guns against ground targets.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 8:15:56 PM EST
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 If the wiki B.S. is to be believed, I supppose they are at least thinking.  Armored fire power

to support a tank, with two per tank in urban warfare, or one per two tanks in open

terrain.  I guess the Chechens left their mark.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 9:48:46 PM EST
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Russian ADA would make short work of an A10.  I know people have an emotional connection to those things but they would suffer horrible losses in a war with the Russians for example, or any nation with capable and modern ADA.
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No. You are wrong.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 9:58:10 PM EST
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and it'll be tasty
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 10:09:58 PM EST
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No. You are wrong.
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Care to elaborate? A10s were getting all fucked up in Desert Storm from AAA and that was against Arabs, Soviet armor and motorized rifle battalions had a platoon of three ZSUs. So basically one tasked out to each company scanning for low flying attack aircraft. Not counting more at regimental and divisional level.
Link Posted: 8/3/2017 10:22:23 PM EST
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130mm 9M120 “Ataka-T” anti-tank missiles. These missiles are capable of penetrating over two-feet of tank armor.
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Anyone know if they can penetrate reactive armor?

I'm thinking no, but a 2' penetration is impressive so I'd like to see it perform.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 12:28:36 AM EST
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If you're an infantryman and you see one of those things rumbling up the street in front of you, yes, absolutely formidable and frightening.

It can be argued if the vehicle is too specialised to be economically (money, logistics, manpower) fielded and if the resources may not be better spent. However, as a purpose-built, specialised vehicle, when it's doing what it's designed to do, nothing else is going to come close. This is one of those things that if you only have one Javelin, use it on the BMP-T, and hope something else shows up to take out the T-72.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 1:27:01 AM EST
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Article claims it has a range of 4,000 meters this claims 4,500 meters. Take it for what its worth.

Link Posted: 8/4/2017 1:28:59 AM EST
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Sounds like they put together an effective vehicle for urban fights. Good for them.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 1:34:19 AM EST
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I'll wait for the LiveLeak clip of one eating a TOW or 9K115 and mute the akbars.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 1:47:25 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/4/2017 3:07:35 AM EST
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I can't read about new Russian military equipment without laughing my ass off. If anyone has seen my previous posts in other threads on the matter, you know why. It not rehash for the umptillionth time this month.

Can we just invade them already and get it over with? We can call it "New Alaska" just to rub it in a little.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 3:16:29 AM EST
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Whoever wrote that article is a moran.

Wonder if it'll be as pretty when a TOW hits it as a regular T72?
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 4:14:45 AM EST
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I can't read about new Russian military equipment without laughing my ass off. If anyone has seen my previous posts in other threads on the matter, you know why. It not rehash for the umptillionth time this month.

Can we just invade them already and get it over with? We can call it "New Alaska" just to rub it in a little.
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Nukes would make most white folks extinct ahead of schedule.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:08:34 AM EST
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More..."Oh my God...Scary Russian Armor" from the media...

It takes more then one vehicle to win a conflict...


The real question...How easy is it for Pvt. Kaminsky to drain and drink the brake fluid???
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:23:15 AM EST
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Formidable against LE6920 and pitchforks.

Got guns but....

One hit to the turret all it becomes is a rolling chassis driving blind.  As urban warfare goes....... in a tank chassis.... you could restrict it's movement. 
All missile tubes are exposed and don't see a way to reload unless you get out of the vehicle.

The dual chain guns seem like the best platform.  Will one work when the other one is down?

Yeah Russia is our most competitive adversary but known to hash some POS together and quickly.  Some of their stuff pans out, most doesn't.  Let's see how they perform in the real environment. A true BMP can haul ass and is light.  This has a 72 hull. Which T72 are lethargic in rough terrain.

Looks like an AT4 can disable all fire systems with a hit to the turret.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:33:08 AM EST
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I wonder what the magazine capacity is.


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425 RPG for the cannons, 300 RPG for the AGLs, 4 missiles, and 2,000 rounds for the MG.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:36:04 AM EST
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Anyone know if they can penetrate reactive armor?

I'm thinking no, but a 2' penetration is impressive so I'd like to see it perform.
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130mm 9M120 “Ataka-T” anti-tank missiles. These missiles are capable of penetrating over two-feet of tank armor.
Anyone know if they can penetrate reactive armor?

I'm thinking no, but a 2' penetration is impressive so I'd like to see it perform.
The anti-tank variant does have a tandem warhead to deal with at least single layer ERA.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:36:39 AM EST
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Article claims it has a range of 4,000 meters this claims 4,500 meters. Take it for what its worth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tuifgYa-Io
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Standoff is a mother fucker
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:38:15 AM EST
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Can we just invade them already and get it over with? We can call it "New Alaska" just to rub it in a little.
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IIRC the last time anyone really had any success with that were the Mongols around the 13th century.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:49:26 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:56:42 AM EST
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As an infantry support vehicle, it is more expendable than tank in urban combat.  

Tell you what, send a dozen here and it can be tested in LA, Seattle, Potland, San Francisco, and any other sh*thole where Antifa protests.  Those socialist scum and anarchist PoS can embrace commie goodness.
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I doubt the Russians can field a dozen of them.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 7:59:23 AM EST
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Looks like a shark with a fricken laser beam attached to its head!
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 8:12:30 AM EST
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Looks badass.  Those would be great for fire support assuming they don't break down.  I'm assuming it's a bit lighter and faster than a t72 without the turret weight.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 8:23:42 AM EST
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Russian ADA would make short work of an A10.  I know people have an emotional connection to those things but they would suffer horrible losses in a war with the Russians for example, or any nation with capable and modern ADA.
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Russian ADA would make short work of an A10.  I know people have an emotional connection to those things but they would suffer horrible losses in a war with the Russians for example, or any nation with capable and modern ADA.
But surely the A-10 wouldn't be on that battle field without "weasels" present. Isn't combined arms the US Military's "thing". No weapon system stands alone on the modern battlefield.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 8:37:56 AM EST
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Just in time for duck season
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 8:45:02 AM EST
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Sweet theme music.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 8:50:49 AM EST
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We've gone all the way back to the "Female" tank concept.

Interesting, everything old is new again.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 9:01:07 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/4/2017 9:08:02 AM EST
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We've gone all the way back to the "Female" tank concept.

Interesting, everything old is new again.
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That's an interesting observation.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 9:11:02 AM EST
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I doubt the Russians can field a dozen of them.
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Yeah, they don't have enough chicks and trannies with PTSD to man them. Oh wait, the Russian Army doesn't have that problem, that's the US military. Whoops!
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 9:13:53 AM EST
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Whoever wrote that article is a moran.

Wonder if it'll be as pretty when a TOW hits it as a regular T72?
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They have both reactive armor and an effective active protection suite. I wouldn't like to be the first person to try this. TOWs are optically guided, which means you can see the BMP-T. If you can see the BMP-T, it can see you, and that's not a great place to be if you're on foot or in a light-skinned vehicle.

Bear in mind that you're not going to just see a BMP-T; by Russian doctrine they don't travel alone. There will be at least one T-72 with them, and possibly two.
Link Posted: 8/4/2017 9:17:13 AM EST
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They have both reactive armor and an effective active protection suite. I wouldn't like to be the first person to try this. TOWs are optically guided, which means you can see the BMP-T. If you can see the BMP-T, it can see you, and that's not a great place to be if you're on foot or in a light-skinned vehicle.
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Most TOW shots are taken from ambush, the tank has no fucking clue of its location, usually has poor situational awareness to begin with (which is why it got targeted in the first place).
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