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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:26:19 PM EST

Just saw the movie. Kinda stupid, kinda fun, nothing like the books.

What revolver is that man carrying?! A colt army 1860 with a double action and a swing-out cylinder?
I like to try to figure out how Hollywood bastardizes weapons in the name of cool, but this one has me baffled.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:30:35 PM EST

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http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Dark_Tower,_The#Custom_Remington_1858_New_Army

I thought the same thing too. They took a single action black powder revolver and made it a double action cartridge revolver for what reason? It's a sci-fi movie though, can't really fault them too much.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:37:54 PM EST

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That's how he described it in the books. King has never, ever gotten anything about firearms even close to correct in his stories.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:41:25 PM EST

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Considering he was a lib at best, then just went down hill into SJW after getting hit by a Van...

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:47:47 PM EST

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Too bad the van wasn't a semi.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:48:57 PM EST

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If someone offered a revolver like that (Rem 1858 with swing out cylinder, double action) made to specs to shoot modern spec ammo, I'd buy one or two asap.

I'd also read that these were not converted, but custom made from the ground up, and about 20% larger than a Remington 1858.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:50:08 PM EST

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I'm interested in seeing it. I'm hoping it is the next cycle, I'd be impossible to stuff just the high points in one movie.

I mean they'd only spend about 45 seconds on Blaine the Mono that way.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:50:56 PM EST

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The Dark Tower Movie Review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIFPBrpTr8A

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:51:08 PM EST

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If someone offered a revolver like that (Rem 1858 with swing out cylinder, double action) made to specs to shoot modern spec ammo, I'd buy one or two asap.

I'd also read that these were not converted, but custom made from the ground up, and about 20% larger than a Remington 1858.

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It's a hard caliber.

Don't forget the sandalwood grips.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:57:00 PM EST

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It's a hard caliber.

Don't forget the sandalwood grips.

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I just want a modern revolver with the aesthetics of those CW era Remingtons or Colts. Those have always been high on my list of most beautiful guns.

Posted: 8/3/2017 10:59:03 PM EST

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Get a Pietta or a Uberti Remington and do a Kirst Konverter conversion to it. Then you have a .45LC revolver with a loading gate.

Posted: 8/3/2017 11:00:18 PM EST

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Get a Pietta or a Uberti Remington and do a Kirst Konverter conversion to it. Then you have a .45LC revolver with a loading gate.

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Stuff/Rem1863_zpsbji1eg5l.jpg

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Just remember if you go from black powder to metallic cartridge, they go from an antique to regular firearm classifications. Stupid, but ATF gonna ATF.

Posted: 8/3/2017 11:01:26 PM EST

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http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Dark_Tower,_The#Custom_Remington_1858_New_Army

I thought the same thing too. They took a single action black powder revolver and made it a double action cartridge revolver for what reason? It's a sci-fi movie though, can't really fault them too much.

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Ummm isn't he from an alternate but similar universe? Things are different there?

Posted: 8/3/2017 11:01:46 PM EST

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Just remember if you go from black powder to metallic cartridge, they go from an antique to regular firearm classifications. Stupid, but ATF gonna ATF.

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While that's true, the individual parts themselves don't require an FFL - you can buy the revolver and the conversion kit, do the work yourself, and never involve an FFL.

Posted: 8/3/2017 11:03:07 PM EST

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While that's true, the individual parts themselves don't require an FFL - you can buy the revolver and the conversion kit, do the work yourself, and never involve an FFL.

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Just remember if you go from black powder to metallic cartridge, they go from an antique to regular firearm classifications. Stupid, but ATF gonna ATF.

While that's true, the individual parts themselves don't require an FFL - you can buy the revolver and the conversion kit, do the work yourself, and never involve an FFL.

True, I was mostly meaning for idiots that think because it's not a 'firearm' that they can conceal it. You know someone here would try.

Posted: 8/3/2017 11:07:29 PM EST

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I always imagined it being like a Colt Walker.

Posted: 8/4/2017 4:24:22 PM EST

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Not to mention that is was forged from the blade of Excalibur....

Posted: 8/4/2017 4:27:19 PM EST

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Just saw the movie. Kinda stupid, kinda fun, nothing like the books.

What revolver is that man carrying?! A colt army 1860 with a double action and a swing-out cylinder?
I like to try to figure out how Hollywood bastardizes weapons in the name of cool, but this one has me baffled.

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It's a Remington 1858 with a structurally unsound "swing out" cylinder.

Havent seen it yet.

Posted: 8/5/2017 8:49:36 PM EST

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That's how he described it in the books. King has never, ever gotten anything about firearms even close to correct in his stories.

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This. I thought the movie got the revolvers pretty close to how I recall them being described in the books... Which bugged me then, too.

I always thought SK needed to hire a technical editor.

Posted: 8/5/2017 8:58:52 PM EST

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This. I thought the movie got the revolvers pretty close to how I recall them being described in the books... Which bugged me then, too.

I always thought SK needed to hire a technical editor.

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That's how he described it in the books. King has never, ever gotten anything about firearms even close to correct in his stories.

This. I thought the movie got the revolvers pretty close to how I recall them being described in the books... Which bugged me then, too.

I always thought SK needed to hire a technical editor.

That would mean he's wrong about something.

He's never wrong about anything. Ever.

Posted: 8/5/2017 9:05:14 PM EST

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Just saw the movie. Kinda stupid, kinda fun, nothing like the books.

What revolver is that man carrying?! A colt army 1860 with a double action and a swing-out cylinder?
I like to try to figure out how Hollywood bastardizes weapons in the name of cool, but this one has me baffled.

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You've never heard of The Rule of Cool?

Posted: 8/5/2017 9:09:02 PM EST

[#21]

Too bad there isn't a website dedicated to identifying and cataloging guns used in movies.

Posted: 8/5/2017 9:15:38 PM EST

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While that's true, the individual parts themselves don't require an FFL - you can buy the revolver and the conversion kit, do the work yourself, and never involve an FFL.

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Just remember if you go from black powder to metallic cartridge, they go from an antique to regular firearm classifications. Stupid, but ATF gonna ATF.

While that's true, the individual parts themselves don't require an FFL - you can buy the revolver and the conversion kit, do the work yourself, and never involve an FFL.

Correct.

Also, The Dark Tower was a pile of dreck.

Posted: 8/5/2017 9:18:26 PM EST

[#23]

One of 6 can be yours for the small price of...

Ebay listing

Posted: 8/5/2017 9:24:35 PM EST

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If someone offered a revolver like that (Rem 1858 with swing out cylinder, double action) made to specs to shoot modern spec ammo, I'd buy one or two asap.

I'd also read that these were not converted, but custom made from the ground up, and about 20% larger than a Remington 1858.

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Which makes sense, the books mention the unusual largeness of the Gunslinger's guns, several times.

Posted: 8/5/2017 9:39:17 PM EST

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I have not seen the movie yet, but when I was reading the books I pictured them in my mind as some oversized Colt Walkers/Dragoons converted or rebuilt for 45 Colt.

Since they were passed down from father to son it just made sense to me they started out as percussion.

Posted: 8/5/2017 10:05:24 PM EST

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Correct.

https://i.imgur.com/L2j4Tvm.jpg

Also, The Dark Tower was a pile of dreck.

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Just remember if you go from black powder to metallic cartridge, they go from an antique to regular firearm classifications. Stupid, but ATF gonna ATF.

While that's true, the individual parts themselves don't require an FFL - you can buy the revolver and the conversion kit, do the work yourself, and never involve an FFL.

Correct.

https://i.imgur.com/L2j4Tvm.jpg

Also, The Dark Tower was a pile of dreck.

Oh boy, that is pretty sexy. Details on how it was done?

Posted: 8/5/2017 10:58:53 PM EST

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That's how he described it in the books. King has never, ever gotten anything about firearms even close to correct in his stories.

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No, he messes up gun facts on purpose to piss off gun freaks. I could swear I read that somewhere. As for the DT guns, I complain about them the least-it takes place in a different world and the gunslingers were proficient or expert in all weapons. Maybe in their world they did have something like that, and maybe Jake's New York was in a world where Ruger made a .44 semiauto.

Shit, both are better than the Beretta Taurus in Under The Dome, and jacking rounds into the chamber(sounds like a pump, right) of a double barrel shotgun in Desperation.

Posted: 8/6/2017 7:23:19 AM EST

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That's how he described it in the books. King has never, ever gotten anything about firearms even close to correct in his stories.

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Kinda like how he described a car as having "Fuel injection and a four barrel carb"? He doesn't let technical details get in the way of a story.
I always pictured Roland as Clint, carrying a cartridge-conversion Walker/Dragoon, ala Josey Wales.
I don't have high hopes for the movie, but I really like Idris Elba, so I'll give it a chance.

Posted: 8/6/2017 7:30:54 AM EST

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Kinda like how he described a car as having "Fuel injection and a four barrel carb"? He doesn't let technical details get in the way of a story.
I always pictured Roland as Clint, carrying a cartridge-conversion Walker/Dragoon, ala Josey Wales.
I don't have high hopes for the movie, but I really like Idris Elba, so I'll give it a chance.

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From what I have seen/heard, Idris Elba is the only saving grace in this abortion.

Posted: 8/6/2017 7:33:19 AM EST

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I'd like to see the movie, but I refuse to give one fucking dollar to that liberal asshole Stephen King

Maybe I'll buy a ticket to another movie that starts about the same time, but then see this one instead.

Posted: 8/6/2017 7:35:37 AM EST

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Get a Pietta or a Uberti Remington and do a Kirst Konverter conversion to it. Then you have a .45LC revolver with a loading gate.

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Stuff/Rem1863_zpsbji1eg5l.jpg

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You can buy it already done from Uberti. But you'd have to go through an FFL.

Posted: 8/6/2017 8:50:48 AM EST

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From what I have seen/heard, Idris Elba is the only saving grace in this abortion.

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I'm interested to see what ?Matthew McConaughey does. He was pretty amazing in True Detective, so I'm hoping he brings that to this movie.

Posted: 8/6/2017 10:08:16 AM EST

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Oh boy, that is pretty sexy. Details on how it was done?

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It is a Pietta 1858 New Model Army with a gated Kirst Konversion in .45 Colt. I also added the matching ejector rod. Kirst provides a template that you cut out and glue to the recoil shield so you can cut out the scoop for loading. I used a Dremel with a sanding drum (the steel on Italian BP replicas is pretty soft, but adequate for BP pressures). I went slow so between cutting out the scoop in the recoil shield, hand fitting the Kirst Konrverter, and then fitting the ejector, it took me about 8 hours over the course of one weekend. Nowadays I could do it in much less time because I have a mini mill.

The gun is restricted to lead bullets at under 1000 FPS, which is fine. The original .45 Colt was loaded with a 250 - 255 grain bullet on top 40 grains of BP, for about 950 FPS. I generally shoot Black Hills CAS loads, which are a 250 grain hardcast going about 750 FPS. By modern standards that's pretty weak, but it will penetrate a season pine log about a foot in diameter from ~10 yards. It has more muzzle energy than .455 Webley Mk VI service loads.

I did a video on the gun:

Remington 1858 New Model Army With Kirst Konverter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrm4pjwxrU

Posted: 8/6/2017 2:10:33 PM EST

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It is a Pietta 1858 New Model Army with a gated Kirst Konversion in .45 Colt. I also added the matching ejector rod. Kirst provides a template that you cut out and glue to the recoil shield so you can cut out the scoop for loading. I used a Dremel with a sanding drum (the steel on Italian BP replicas is pretty soft, but adequate for BP pressures). I went slow so between cutting out the scoop in the recoil shield, hand fitting the Kirst Konrverter, and then fitting the ejector, it took me about 8 hours over the course of one weekend. Nowadays I could do it in much less time because I have a mini mill.

The gun is restricted to lead bullets at under 1000 FPS, which is fine. The original .45 Colt was loaded with a 250 - 255 grain bullet on top 40 grains of BP, for about 950 FPS. I generally shoot Black Hills CAS loads, which are a 250 grain hardcast going about 750 FPS. By modern standards that's pretty weak, but it will penetrate a season pine log about a foot in diameter from ~10 yards. It has more muzzle energy than .455 Webley Mk VI service loads.

I did a video on the gun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrm4pjwxrU

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Oh boy, that is pretty sexy. Details on how it was done?

It is a Pietta 1858 New Model Army with a gated Kirst Konversion in .45 Colt. I also added the matching ejector rod. Kirst provides a template that you cut out and glue to the recoil shield so you can cut out the scoop for loading. I used a Dremel with a sanding drum (the steel on Italian BP replicas is pretty soft, but adequate for BP pressures). I went slow so between cutting out the scoop in the recoil shield, hand fitting the Kirst Konrverter, and then fitting the ejector, it took me about 8 hours over the course of one weekend. Nowadays I could do it in much less time because I have a mini mill.

The gun is restricted to lead bullets at under 1000 FPS, which is fine. The original .45 Colt was loaded with a 250 - 255 grain bullet on top 40 grains of BP, for about 950 FPS. I generally shoot Black Hills CAS loads, which are a 250 grain hardcast going about 750 FPS. By modern standards that's pretty weak, but it will penetrate a season pine log about a foot in diameter from ~10 yards. It has more muzzle energy than .455 Webley Mk VI service loads.

I did a video on the gun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYrm4pjwxrU

That's really neat, thanks!

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