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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:01:01 PM EDT
I routinely wash my brass in folgers coffee plastic tub thingys. While doing the rinse cycles and vigorous shaking to get the soap and whatnot out of the primer pockets, i notice the brass always gets neatly stacked up during the shaking. Is this a violation of the second law of thermodynamics?
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:02:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:03:16 PM EDT
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No.
You're over thinking this. Quit trying to be smarter than everyone on the internet. 
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:03:49 PM EDT
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That's not a "closed system" with the lid off. You let all the entropy out or something.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:05:17 PM EDT
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No the case head is heavier so it goes to the bottom.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:05:28 PM EDT
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17'ers! Not as bad as 13'ers but NO OP just NO. Time to go back to physics class.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:08:49 PM EDT
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In this forum we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!
Mentions of illegal activities is a ban-able offense. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:09:08 PM EDT
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Having the case with the heavy end up is a more highly ordered state than having it down
also, since the CG of the case is higher when the heavy end is up, the heavy end up is at a higher potential energy level so the cases flipping heavy end down is a less ordered and lower energy state |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:10:17 PM EDT
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get yourself a vibratory case cleaner most ricky ticky
I like the smaller Dillon one |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:10:29 PM EDT
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Aliens.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:11:42 PM EDT
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Nope.
Heavy end down minimizes the energy of the system. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:12:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:14:03 PM EDT
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Just evidence that you are approaching the stoichiometric ratio of air to brass inside that containment vessel.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:15:00 PM EDT
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"What is gravity?, Alex"
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:22:21 PM EDT
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Having the case with the heavy end up is a more highly ordered state than having it down also, since the CG of the case is higher when the heavy end is up, the heavy end up is at a higher potential energy level so the cases flipping heavy end down is a less ordered and lower energy state |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:23:29 PM EDT
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That's not a "closed system" with the lid off. You let all the entropy out or something. 
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:24:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:25:40 PM EDT
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Nope. Heavy end down minimizes the energy of the system. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:29:53 PM EDT
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That's not a "closed system" with the lid off. You let all the entropy out or something. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:42:25 PM EDT
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Just evidence that you are approaching the stoichiometric ratio of air to brass inside that containment vessel. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:47:18 PM EDT
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No.
The 2nd Law is one of the most erronioisly invoked arguments I can think of. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:50:16 PM EDT
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A case laying on it's side is more stable and has less energy than a case standing on its end, heavy end down or not. 
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:51:11 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just dumb and/or uneducated in this, but what does "second law of thermodynamics" have to do with gravity?
A.W.D. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:52:03 PM EDT
[#23]
More like an affirmation of the law of gravity.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:53:41 PM EDT
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The integral of T*ds was not violated. Entropy increased and decreased all in accordance with the 2nd Law. Furthermore, energy was conserved. Mass was conserved. All done so in accordance with general relativity. If any quanta we're violated, they should consider filing a police report, provided the testimony of a dead cat is admissible in court.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:53:41 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just dumb and/or uneducated in this, but what does "second law of thermodynamics" have to do with gravity? A.W.D. 
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:54:06 PM EDT
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In this forum we obey the laws of thermodynamics!! Mentions of illegal activities is a ban-able offense. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:55:05 PM EDT
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I routinely wash my brass in folgers coffee plastic tub thingys. While doing the rinse cycles and vigorous shaking to get the soap and whatnot out of the primer pockets, i notice the brass always gets neatly stacked up during the shaking. Is this a violation of the second law of thermodynamics? https://i.imgur.com/UVaZROh.jpg A lot of energy is being introduced to the system so no. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:56:24 PM EDT
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When the cases are shaken in the ionic liquid created when soap and gravity are mixed, a power field is created at the vertex of the plastic bowl and the reinforcing bar in the concrete floor. Because of this, a brass magnet is artificially generated and it attracts the brassiest part of the case.
To avoid this, put a magnet in with the brass in the future and the force field will be disrupted. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 6:59:41 PM EDT
[#29]
No. Also entropy isn't an indicator of order or lack thereof.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:06:53 PM EDT
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Yes. This clearly violates the 2nd. Patent now, youll make a billion.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:07:49 PM EDT
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Put the bucket on a treadmill and see what happens.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:08:11 PM EDT
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Disorder In a system increases unless energy is put in...or something like that...it's been 20 years now since thermo Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just dumb and/or uneducated in this, but what does "second law of thermodynamics" have to do with gravity? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:08:44 PM EDT
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17:1 as I recall? |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:10:24 PM EDT
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Wouldn't a case have the least potential energy if it was laying on its side? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Having the case with the heavy end up is a more highly ordered state than having it down also, since the CG of the case is higher when the heavy end is up, the heavy end up is at a higher potential energy level so the cases flipping heavy end down is a less ordered and lower energy state |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:12:11 PM EDT
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OP--try starting with one brass in the container. Shake, report results. Then do a series adding one piece of brass each time.
What you have is a situation where there is enough brass in the container such that the most efficient packing is for many of the cases to be standing. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:18:21 PM EDT
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A case laying on it's side is more stable and has less energy than a case standing on its end, heavy end down or not. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:21:40 PM EDT
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That`s pretty good! |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:26:30 PM EDT
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It's not just a good idea, it's the law
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Posted: 11/8/2017 7:40:15 PM EDT
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if only one end were heavier than the other....
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:01:07 PM EDT
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Actually this illustrates Murphy's law. cases stand up so they hold the water you are trying to rinse off. Now they have to be turned over and emptied by hand.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:04:25 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just dumb and/or uneducated in this, but what does "second law of thermodynamics" have to do with gravity? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:20:52 PM EDT
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Well holy shit, you just proved that the universe is not a closed system, would you like that Nobel prize emailed or should we send it through the wormhole your tumbler created?
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:24:07 PM EDT
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A case laying on it's side is more stable and has less energy than a case standing on its end, heavy end down or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. Heavy end down minimizes the energy of the system. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 9:14:13 PM EDT
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Having the case with the heavy end up is a more highly ordered state than having it down also, since the CG of the case is higher when the heavy end is up, the heavy end up is at a higher potential energy level so the cases flipping heavy end down is a less ordered and lower energy state 
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Posted: 11/8/2017 9:19:14 PM EDT
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Disorder In a system increases unless energy is put in...or something like that...it's been 20 years now since thermo
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Posted: 11/8/2017 9:38:13 PM EDT
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Yes, kill it now.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 9:43:10 PM EDT
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Just like evolution
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Posted: 11/8/2017 9:47:13 PM EDT
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Quantum at work.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 9:52:26 PM EDT
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Entropy is not "disorder", at least not on the macro-scale. Which is why I find this common analogy leads to confusion.
As I understand it, an increase in Entropy is more precisely described as the "the loss of the ability to do work". In that sense, you shouldn't be looking just in your little bucket, you should be looking in terms of the entire universe. So some way, some how, if you think your cases can do more work in the configuration that they are currently in, energy was used to get them into that position, which produced waste heat, which increased the entropy of the universe. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 10:53:40 PM EDT
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Schrodinger's Brass. You are not supposed to look.
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