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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:17:23 AM EDT
Picked this up... plus a bunch of mags, pouches, scope and bayonet. Rifle is marked Century Arms R1A1 Sporter. Has a stainless barrel which seems uncommon? I'm thinking it may have been build from a parts kit.
Also came with this old scope that I've never seen before. If anyone could shed some light on the rifle and optic I'd appreciate it. Curious as to value.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached Fileoptic pics next post |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:18:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:21:14 AM EDT
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S.U.I.T. TRILUX l2a2.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:21:35 AM EDT
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It’s the optic that the Brits sometimes used in the L1A1 issued rifle... that particular one looks like it made it to Israel.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:38:02 AM EDT
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It’s the optic that the Brits sometimes used in the L1A1 issued rifle... that particular one looks like it made it to Israel. 
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:39:56 AM EDT
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Hebrew writing, so I'm going to assume it's a Russian sniper scope used during the civil war.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:41:36 AM EDT
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Bible verse ACOG
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:03:40 AM EDT
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I wanted one of those once upon a time. Problem is the tritium is burned out in ALL of them, which isn't surprising given their age.
I read a post on FAL files where guys were disassembling them and replacing the tritium vials, but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble unless you are building a clone rifle or something. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:08:11 AM EDT
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I wanted one of those once upon a time. Problem is the tritium is burned out in ALL of them, which isn't surprising given their age. I read a post on FAL files where guys were disassembling them and replacing the tritium vials, but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble unless you are building a clone rifle or something. What is going on with that reticle!? 
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:09:40 AM EDT
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Got one with my FAL I picked up a gun show. Yours is slightly different then mine, the cylinder thing with a cap after the eye piece is a plastic cap with a clear spot so the reticle lights up without the tritium.
Tritium is long dead in mine but I popped the cover off where it is and it's just stuck in some clay like stuff, was looking into a replacement vial but forgot about it until this thread. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:15:32 AM EDT
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At one time there were battery powered aftermarket LED replacements available for illuminating the reticle.
The reticle comes out of the top of the field of view and points down, so that the reticle never obscures the target if you have to hold high. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:18:34 AM EDT
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here's a thread on replacing the Tritium vial
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190091 |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:18:57 AM EDT
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S.U.I.T. TRILUX l2a2. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:28:24 AM EDT
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Thanks!
What do you think the rifle itself might be worth? |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:31:44 AM EDT
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Thanks! What do you think the rifle itself might be worth? |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:32:29 AM EDT
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They Israelis also made a mount to use the sight with an M16. Cheek weld is non-existent but it's somewhat stable because of the way the rubber eye protector fits against your cheek.
Not any worse than an old Starlight scope on a carry handle. Mine has one of the little drop-in LED's to illuminate the reticle.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:34:30 AM EDT
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At one time there were battery powered aftermarket LED replacements available for illuminating the reticle. The reticle comes out of the top of the field of view and points down, so that the reticle never obscures the target if you have to hold high. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:57:57 AM EDT
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Search ebay for trilux tritium. They have red and red/green inserts for about a bill
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:03:49 AM EDT
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Hebrew writing, so I'm going to assume it's a Russian sniper scope used during the civil war. Beat me to it. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 6:10:20 AM EDT
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The tritium vials are super easy to replace in SUIT scopes. At the base of the knob on top there is a small snap ring, remove it, then pull the knob straight up. On one side will be like a white clay that holds the dead vial. Go to Falfiles and there is an on going thread there on where to get new vials. They can be had in many colors, red, green, blue, etc. Red is what they originally had in them. Now clean out the old white clay with a knife, replace it with a dab of white caulking and press the new vial into it. You should be good for 5-10 years now.
Here's Trilux SUIT on my L1A1 that I replaced the tritium vial in. The one above it is an HK with an HK NV scope (Hensoldt scope in front of it) and CETME over that. 
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Posted: 12/6/2017 6:51:58 AM EDT
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Bible verse ACOG No. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:14:42 AM EDT
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What markings are on the receiver?
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:25:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is going on with that reticle!? SUSAT |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:28:14 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Picked this up... plus a bunch of mags, pouches, scope and bayonet. Rifle is marked Century Arms R1A1 Sporter. Has a stainless barrel which seems uncommon? I'm thinking it may have been build from a parts kit. Also came with this old scope that I've never seen before. If anyone could shed some light on the rifle and optic I'd appreciate it. Curious as to value. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/282730/1205171555a-382503.JPG optic pics next post |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:32:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What gave it away |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:36:22 AM EDT
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Mount that and you will be going Old Testament.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:42:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:48:22 AM EDT
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Bible verse ACOG |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:51:55 AM EDT
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Back in the day you could buy a full auto L1A1 for police use for $150, I paid like $200+ to get that optic to go with it.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 10:00:03 AM EDT
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It would be neat to have. The objective lens is off centre of the bore. Wouldn't that cause problems shooting with both eyes open? Plus it's got that fucked up reticle. What is going on with that reticle!? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wanted one of those once upon a time. Problem is the tritium is burned out in ALL of them, which isn't surprising given their age. I read a post on FAL files where guys were disassembling them and replacing the tritium vials, but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble unless you are building a clone rifle or something. What is going on with that reticle!? |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 10:11:53 AM EDT
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OP needs to rewatch the documentary "HEAT"
AL PACHINO talks about how He used it to smoke bad guys on that same rifle. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 10:46:00 AM EDT
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I re-tritium'ed (?) a couple of them during that time frame-- there was a shop in the Netherlands that exported the vials, so I bought a bunch and stuck them in the caps with common wall spackle, has worked great for ten years. The trick can be finding the caps-- so many were replaced with those sad LED replacements, or just yanked and tossed during demil-- but it isn't particularly hard, or even very expensive, just needs a bit of homework. (Took a small handful of them and stuck them under my wife's crystal ball in its velvet-lined case, looked amazing the next time she opened it-- she didn't drop a stitch, and now our granddaughter looks at her in a new light--)
ETA: Decent find, take it out and shoot the doors off it! |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 10:51:47 AM EDT
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  That one might have a 5.56 cam. Here is a British 7.62 one. Note the removed tritium unit, as was necessary for the import of this batch.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:01:12 AM EDT
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It’s the optic that the Brits sometimes used in the L1A1 issued rifle... that particular one looks like it made it to Israel. I remember a bunch of Israeli-made sights like that for sale in the mid-90’s. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:12:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The theory was that with recoil etc the post would obscure the target, if it came from the top it worked the same as a bottom post but you could see what you were aiming at better. I think they swapped to a normal post when they went to the bullpup with its SUSAT: SUSAT |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:19:29 AM EDT
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~ Are you positive the barrel is stainless? Pull the handguards and tell us what markings it has.
~ Swing that carry handle up and take an in focus pic of the receiver markings. Need to know those 2 things for anyone to estimate value. All CAI FALs are parts guns. They took demilled f/a FAL kits ( saw cut through upper receiver) and assembled them on Imbel, Argy ( the two best) forged uppers, and later, on their own cast receivers. The Imbels are stamped Made by Imbel Imported by CAI, Argies often lack an Argy stamp. For inch L1A1s, they made a couple of milling cuts to the metric uppers to make them fit the inch charging handle and large inch mag locking lug. They also sold a bunch of Imbel uppers alone, which made them available to guys like me to build on our own kits. Century builds vary. If they run, they are good to go. If not, they need work- feed ramps are a notorious problem area. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:20:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:22:58 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/suit-184820.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/suit2-184829.jpgThat one might have a 5.56 cam. Here is a British 7.62 one. Note the removed tritium unit, as was necessary for the import of this batch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/suit-184820.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/suit2-184829.jpgThat one might have a 5.56 cam. Here is a British 7.62 one. Note the removed tritium unit, as was necessary for the import of this batch. There is exactly one cam for the Trilux SUIT. The same cam is used for the 7.62mm, the 5.56mm & the 84mm AT Carl Gustav round.
The zero markings are different though to allow for the differing trajectories. Your Izzy sight is marked for 250 & 450 METERS (Izzy 5.56mm) & the Commonwealth ones in 7.62mm were marked in 300 & 500 YARDS. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:41:22 AM EDT
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Hnnnnnnnnng
Want. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:15:19 PM EDT
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http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=15356 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/suit-184820.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/suit2-184829.jpgThat one might have a 5.56 cam. Here is a British 7.62 one. Note the removed tritium unit, as was necessary for the import of this batch. There is exactly one cam for the Trilux SUIT. The same cam is used for the 7.62mm, the 5.56mm & the 84mm AT Carl Gustav round.
The zero markings are different though to allow for the differing trajectories. Your Izzy sight is marked for 250 & 450 METERS (Izzy 5.56mm) & the Commonwealth ones in 7.62mm were marked in 300 & 500 YARDS. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:20:59 PM EDT
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 Here is a shot through mine. That tree line is 800 feet or so away.
Before the safety Nazis attack, I'm just holding the SUIT alone. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:25:40 PM EDT
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The rifle looks like a mutt; inch parts on a generic Century receiver. It may shoot well, or it may be a total mess with regard to reliability. There is a reason that Century’s “gunsmiths” of that era were known as ‘Angry Beavers’, as many of their FALs that they built were somewhat ‘unrefined’, which is a polite way of putting it.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:29:26 PM EDT
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That mount looks cobbled together, not a correct mount as it's way to high above the bore. Lower went through Rhodesia, probably South African. Barrel looks US made. Front sight won't match up with the rear.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:36:49 PM EDT
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That mount looks cobbled together, not a correct mount as it's way to high above the bore. Lower went through Rhodesia, probably South African. Barrel looks US made. Front sight won't match up with the rear. *as in ‘Frankenstein’s Monster’, cobbled together from spare parts, not the lecherous douchebag senator from Minnesota. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:58:55 PM EDT
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I doubt Century actually built it. They sold a bunch of receivers marked that way cheap.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:02:50 PM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong but weren't there issues with the century builds?
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Posted: 12/6/2017 4:04:55 PM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong but weren't there issues with the century builds? |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:22:06 PM EDT
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All I can say is that that's a very rare optics mount, lol.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:30:45 PM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong but weren't there issues with the century builds? |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They earned their nickname on the FalFiles for a reason, “The Angry Beavers”.. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some . Mine is a mix of domestic and parts from an stg kit on a imbel receiver. Flawless mixmaster. |
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