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I'm sure the government has killed more people. Can we ban them?
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If they are trying to ban it...it means it works and Big Pharma doesn't like competition.
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Had a guy a while back that hit several vehicles and kept on going. One followed him and got him stopped and called 911. When we began trying to talk to him, it was like his brain was on a loop. We'd ask him a question and he'd say" Good. Fine" to everything.
What's your name? I'm good, fine. Do you know what day it is? Yeah. Good. I'm fine. Do you know where you are? Yeah. I'm good. I'm fine. Found a few bags of that stuff in his pocket. He'd just laugh occasionally and had to lay on the ground as he had trouble sitting up. |
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A good friend of mine had his life ruined and is now basically crazy from using that stuff. I don't know what's in it but it fucked him up good.
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Maybe he was crazy before seeking something to treat his mental illness. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A good friend of mine had his life ruined and is now basically crazy from using that stuff. I don't know what's in it but it fucked him up good. And maybe he was self-medicating with other substances on top of the kratom. |
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Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has been a flaming pile of shit excuse for a human being.
Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has kratom in their possession when I search them or their car. At this point it's more than a coincidence that substance abusers always possess shit like this for "chronic pain". But Muh back aches! |
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Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has been a flaming pile of shit excuse for a human being. Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has kratom in their possession when I search them or their car. At this point it's more than a coincidence that substance abusers always possess shit like this for "chronic pain". But Muh back aches! View Quote In other words, your perception is probably skewed by selection bias. Or do you consider the people in this very thread who say they use/have used kratom to be likely "flaming pile of shit excuses for human beings?" |
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If you're a policeman, then it stands to reason that your sample of "substance abusers" is going to be mostly dominated by people who do shit to attract the attention of police. In other words, your perception is probably skewed by selection bias. Or do you consider the people in this very thread who say they use/have used kratom to be likely "flaming pile of shit excuses for human beings?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has been a flaming pile of shit excuse for a human being. Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has kratom in their possession when I search them or their car. At this point it's more than a coincidence that substance abusers always possess shit like this for "chronic pain". But Muh back aches! In other words, your perception is probably skewed by selection bias. Or do you consider the people in this very thread who say they use/have used kratom to be likely "flaming pile of shit excuses for human beings?" I don't drink. I don't do drugs - legal or illegal. I started taking kratom around two months ago. It works well to give some relief for chronic back pain and arthritis. It doesn't get me high, give me a buzz or provide any other effects. It just cuts down on the pain a bit. |
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Lol. Do you really request all this stuff? That has no bearing on your everyday life? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: There were 650 murders in Chicago in 2017. I’m sure the smoking and alcohol related deaths are greater than 44 in the time period the fda reviewed for kratom. I would really like to find out more about the fda review process and where they get their data from and the push to regulate this. I suspect a well placed foia could find out some answers @rogueboss |
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I was under the impression that opioids were opium derived drugs, like opium from the poppy plant. Kratom is not even remotely related to the poppy plant. But now it's "deemed" an opioid? How does that work? Guess I'll have to go do some google chemistry. So kratom is supposed to create an opioid-like reaction and break down into morphine ...hmmm. Suspicious chemistry is suspicious. View Quote |
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Had a guy a while back that hit several vehicles and kept on going. One followed him and got him stopped and called 911. When we began trying to talk to him, it was like his brain was on a loop. We'd ask him a question and he'd say" Good. Fine" to everything. What's your name? I'm good, fine. Do you know what day it is? Yeah. Good. I'm fine. Do you know where you are? Yeah. I'm good. I'm fine. Found a few bags of that stuff in his pocket. He'd just laugh occasionally and had to lay on the ground as he had trouble sitting up. View Quote Weird. |
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Why can't people mind their own business, and respect the decisions others make about their own lives? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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why cant people just stop taking mind altering substances? ... o wait, thats right, people are weak. |
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Let'em do it. Let'em do it all. Only thing we have to do is bury them. Sounds like a win to me.
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Oddly, after taking some of it earlier, I'm good. Fine. Weird. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Had a guy a while back that hit several vehicles and kept on going. One followed him and got him stopped and called 911. When we began trying to talk to him, it was like his brain was on a loop. We'd ask him a question and he'd say" Good. Fine" to everything. What's your name? I'm good, fine. Do you know what day it is? Yeah. Good. I'm fine. Do you know where you are? Yeah. I'm good. I'm fine. Found a few bags of that stuff in his pocket. He'd just laugh occasionally and had to lay on the ground as he had trouble sitting up. Weird. |
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You've got opiates and opioids confused. It's a square vs rectangle type thing. All opiates are opioids, but not all opioids are opiates. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was under the impression that opioids were opium derived drugs, like opium from the poppy plant. Kratom is not even remotely related to the poppy plant. But now it's "deemed" an opioid? How does that work? Guess I'll have to go do some google chemistry. So kratom is supposed to create an opioid-like reaction and break down into morphine ...hmmm. Suspicious chemistry is suspicious. The k-opioid receptor responds to kratom and happens to be a receptor that plays a role in addiction/reward behavior. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4258993/ |
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Cocaine and Heroin come from plants in the same way that Everclear comes from plants. After a bunch of processing, extraction, distillation, isolating, and chemical reactions in a lab. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Well, alcohol is actually covered in the constitution. Once banned, then ban reversed (18th amendment, then the 21st amendment), so it is actually covered constitutionally. Now, what is funny about that is that the states have some crazy ass laws on it, when if it is actually mentioned in the constitution, then it should be regulated by federal law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They better ban alcohol again then, by that logic. |
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Big pharma wants it banned. Can't have people going off their opioid pills.
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How many people die every month in relation to alcohol? View Quote I've read Kratom helped a lot of addicts get off opiates by helping with withdrawal symptoms. Can't have that anymore. |
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Am I wrong to say Narcan should be outlawed and nature take its course? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Heard the name a few times here and there over the past few years. Didn't realize it had such a robust following. I assume people are cleaning out local stores before they pull it from the shelves?
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Quoted: Thousands. But funny how that goes totally ignored. Oh wait, it doesn't threaten Big Pharma! This country is so corrupt it is disgusting. I've read Kratom helped a lot of addicts get off opiates by helping with withdrawal symptoms. Can't have that anymore. View Quote Love the conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, I'm sure its not drugged out thinking ![]() |
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Sure, if you substitute one opioid for another, of course there isn't going to be withdrawal symptoms. Love the conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, I'm sure its not drugged out thinking ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Thousands. But funny how that goes totally ignored. Oh wait, it doesn't threaten Big Pharma! This country is so corrupt it is disgusting. I've read Kratom helped a lot of addicts get off opiates by helping with withdrawal symptoms. Can't have that anymore. Love the conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, I'm sure its not drugged out thinking ![]() |
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Quoted: Sure, if you substitute one opioid for another, of course there isn't going to be withdrawal symptoms. Love the conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, I'm sure its not drugged out thinking ![]() View Quote Remember the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules |
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Are you stating that "Big Pharma" companies don't invest a Loooooot of money buying politicians so they can have the laws stacked in their favor? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Thousands. But funny how that goes totally ignored. Oh wait, it doesn't threaten Big Pharma! This country is so corrupt it is disgusting. I've read Kratom helped a lot of addicts get off opiates by helping with withdrawal symptoms. Can't have that anymore. Love the conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, I'm sure its not drugged out thinking ![]() |
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Quoted: Sure, if you substitute one opioid for another, of course there isn't going to be withdrawal symptoms. Love the conspiracy theories regarding Big Pharma, I'm sure its not drugged out thinking ![]() View Quote Or, if you're not addicted to opiates, you can just take kratom to help relax, to relieve chronic pain, or for an energy boost if you need to get some motivation to get work done. Just like people who drink coffee, smoke, or have a beer. I know kratom. I've taken it quite a few times. It sometimes gives me a very light buzz but not every time, it helps me relax and calm down if I'm anxious, and makes it easier to feel motivated to work if I need to work, or relax if I need to relax. I once tried to take 2-3 times the normal dose just to see what happened, and it wasn't pleasant anymore - it was like I had had too much coffee. |
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Had a guy a while back that hit several vehicles and kept on going. One followed him and got him stopped and called 911. When we began trying to talk to him, it was like his brain was on a loop. We'd ask him a question and he'd say" Good. Fine" to everything. What's your name? I'm good, fine. Do you know what day it is? Yeah. Good. I'm fine. Do you know where you are? Yeah. I'm good. I'm fine. Found a few bags of that stuff in his pocket. He'd just laugh occasionally and had to lay on the ground as he had trouble sitting up. View Quote Freedom! |
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Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has been a flaming pile of shit excuse for a human being. Nearly every single substance abuser I've caught has kratom in their possession when I search them or their car. At this point it's more than a coincidence that substance abusers always possess shit like this for "chronic pain". But Muh back aches! View Quote |
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Quoted: Kratom is NOT an opiate, the effects of kratom are drastically different and less intense than opiates, and it's also not addictive, and there's no withdraw if you stop taking it. So it's great for getting OFF of opiates, and then once you're off, you can stop taking kratom. Or, if you're not addicted to opiates, you can just take kratom to help relax, to relieve chronic pain, or for an energy boost if you need to get some motivation to get work done. Just like people who drink coffee, smoke, or have a beer. I know kratom. I've taken it quite a few times. It sometimes gives me a very light buzz but not every time, it helps me relax and calm down if I'm anxious, and makes it easier to feel motivated to work if I need to work, or relax if I need to relax. I once tried to take 2-3 times the normal dose just to see what happened, and it wasn't pleasant anymore - it was like I had had too much coffee. View Quote |
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Quoted: Bulk pre ban opioids! Buy cheap, stack deep. Amiright?! View Quote My fucking junkie cousin stole it. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I was under the impression that opioids were opium derived drugs, like opium from the poppy plant. Kratom is not even remotely related to the poppy plant. But now it's "deemed" an opioid? How does that work? Guess I'll have to go do some google chemistry. So kratom is supposed to create an opioid-like reaction and break down into morphine ...hmmm. Suspicious chemistry is suspicious. View Quote Acts like an opiod.....LOL Notice he didn't say it was a opioid. ![]() |
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