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Posted: 4/11/2018 5:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t give a fuck either. But it is fun to argue with people who really dogmatically take positions on things they don’t know anything about. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 5:41:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. Now for the bonus: Did the F-117 have air-to air capability? Did the YF-12? 
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Posted: 4/11/2018 7:30:22 PM EDT
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Remind me - which one of us is contradicted on this point by the manufacturer, the Air Force, and NASA? Is it me, or you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don’t give a fuck either. But it is fun to argue with people who really dogmatically take positions on things they don’t know anything about. You're still arguing points you don't understand... |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 7:43:35 PM EDT
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Is engaging enemy aircraft the primary mission of the Viking? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So is the S-3 Viking a fighter? 
I bet @KA3B knows the story. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 8:25:10 PM EDT
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NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. They fly experimental aircraft. The USAF didn't operate the YF-12, and the manufacturer made 3 (or was it 4) experiments. You're still arguing points you don't understand... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/11/2018 8:40:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2018 8:41:31 PM EDT
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My 1/72 MiG-25PD won 3rd place in the AZ state model contest in the 1/72 jet category.
 Attached FileThat’s my contribution to this thread. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 9:20:47 PM EDT
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I was an F-15 maintenance troop back when 15’s were strictly air to air (84-88). The MIG-29 was still new then, and was said to be equal or better than the Eagle.
A few years later the boys from my old units (33rd and 36th tac fighter wings) proved them wrong. One of my regrets in life was that I didn’t stay in. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 9:24:57 PM EDT
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The YF-12 would like to have a word with you about that assertion.... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/YF-12A.jpg |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 9:33:21 PM EDT
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LOL, you're in GD for fuck's sake Josh! You know better Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You completely missed the point. We've put the "F" designation on a number of aircraft, like the YF-12 and the F-117, that are clearly not fighter aircraft. The F-117 was a bomb truck that was never capable of doing anything other than carrying two LGBs, and the YF-12 was an experiment that was never even designed to do anything other than ferry a couple of missiles on a mission for which it was totally unsuited. It's too big and incapable of maneuvering to be a fighter. When you're measuring your turning radius in how many countries you fly over to make a turn, you're not talking about a fighter in any real sense of the word. 
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Posted: 4/11/2018 9:35:12 PM EDT
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Why are you still going on with this and shitting up the thread? Every fucking GD thread turns into this... |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:04:47 PM EDT
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My 1/72 MiG-25PD won 3rd place in the AZ state model contest in the 1/72 jet category. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/163072/166AFEE4-6A4F-4A45-9208-5645810E4CE9-512178.JPG That’s my contribution to this thread. That looks great from what I can see. Your panel line airbrush work looks really good. Would love to see more. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:20:10 PM EDT
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I was an F-15 maintenance troop back when 15’s were strictly air to air (84-88). The MIG-29 was still new then, and was said to be equal or better than the Eagle. A few years later the boys from my old units (33rd and 36th tac fighter wings) proved them wrong. One of my regrets in life was that I didn’t stay in. F-16 vs MiG-29 is a fairer comparison. MiG-29 still loses bad. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:28:55 PM EDT
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The MiG-29 was never a direct competitor to the F-15. The F-15's direct competitor was the Su-27. F-16 vs MiG-29 is a fairer comparison. MiG-29 still loses bad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was an F-15 maintenance troop back when 15’s were strictly air to air (84-88). The MIG-29 was still new then, and was said to be equal or better than the Eagle. A few years later the boys from my old units (33rd and 36th tac fighter wings) proved them wrong. One of my regrets in life was that I didn’t stay in. F-16 vs MiG-29 is a fairer comparison. MiG-29 still loses bad. Edit: just looked it up, the SU-27 entered service in 1985. So there were some around, but I doubt they were around in any numbers before I got out in early ‘88. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:32:07 PM EDT
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My 1/72 MiG-25PD won 3rd place in the AZ state model contest in the 1/72 jet category. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/163072/166AFEE4-6A4F-4A45-9208-5645810E4CE9-512178.JPG That’s my contribution to this thread. (kidding) Looks pretty good. Far better than I could do. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. They fly experimental aircraft. The USAF didn't operate the YF-12, and the manufacturer made 3 (or was it 4) experiments. You're still arguing points you don't understand... 
Some warmup exercises might be helpful before you engage in the gymnastics required to support your assertion that NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:52:37 PM EDT
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I was OPs O of the 425th Buccaneers Cannon AFB. It was Singapores air to air squadron. Their air to ground squadron was at Luke in AZ. Anyway, the Aim 7 was a hell of a bridge between the AIM-9 and Aim-120. We would always act as red air for the 523 and 524, blk 30 and 40 squadrons at Cannon. We caused all kinds of shit with the -7s. They hated us. We were good at red air! NO shit! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AIM-7M? I'll let the fighter drivers cover on that one definitively, but I think the USAF had hose fests with them at William Tell mostly from F-15Cs, and Navy still uses Sea Sparrow surface-launched RIM-7. @FlyNavy75 @Mach |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, fighter or no? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9VwqVCRP1PA/UfjILAcodBI/AAAAAAAAFOc/k0pizemIP2U/s1600/A+P-3+Orion+from+NATC+Patuxent+River,+Md.,+launches+an+AIM-9+Sidewinder+during+tests+of+the+air-to-air+missile+as+a+defense+weapon+for+antisubmarine+aircraft..jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-imnvmYXu4IU/TwHpqbA90kI/AAAAAAAAAjc/TaDIECnKeCs/s1600/AH-1Z%2BViper%2BUS%2BMarine%2BAttack%2BHelicopter.jpg Unlike, say, an F-106 or a YF-12. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:20:56 PM EDT
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NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. They fly experimental aircraft. The USAF didn't operate the YF-12, and the manufacturer made 3 (or was it 4) experiments. You're still arguing points you don't understand... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. They fly experimental aircraft. The USAF didn't operate the YF-12, and the manufacturer made 3 (or was it 4) experiments. You're still arguing points you don't understand...  ... the F-16XL, Hawker-Siddeley P.1127, YF-12, F/A=-18, F-4, F-15, F-82, f-100, YF-93, F-107, a modified F-5E, & several flavors of F-8 Crusader. ONE of us doesn't understand, clearly ... |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:24:58 PM EDT
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Where did you get your hands on a YF12 configured as a FIGHTER, if you don't mind me asking? |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:26:28 PM EDT
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There's a reason for the 2929 in my screen name.
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:40:46 PM EDT
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I totally get what you mean and wouldn't normally point this out, but I understand that you are a huge fan of being pedantic. So in that spirit, I present this: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/images/298946main_EC02-0294-4_full.jpg Some warmup exercises might be helpful before you engage in the gymnastics required to support your assertion that NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. They fly experimental aircraft. The USAF didn't operate the YF-12, and the manufacturer made 3 (or was it 4) experiments. You're still arguing points you don't understand... https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/images/298946main_EC02-0294-4_full.jpg Some warmup exercises might be helpful before you engage in the gymnastics required to support your assertion that NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:41:38 PM EDT
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Lol. Like you didn't Google it minutes before responding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/11/2018 11:42:41 PM EDT
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NASA has flown a number of fighter aircraft, as proficiency sustainment, chase planes, research subjects, or analogues to other airframes. Those include the F-102, the F-106, the F-104, the Douglas F5D Skylancer (note the NASA markings) ... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/F5D_in_flight_1971.jpg/1920px-F5D_in_flight_1971.jpg ... the F-16XL, Hawker-Siddeley P.1127, YF-12, F/A=-18, F-4, F-15, F-82, f-100, YF-93, F-107, a modified F-5E, & several flavors of F-8 Crusader. ONE of us doesn't understand, clearly ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: NASA doesn't fly fighter aircraft. They fly experimental aircraft. The USAF didn't operate the YF-12, and the manufacturer made 3 (or was it 4) experiments. You're still arguing points you don't understand... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/F5D_in_flight_1971.jpg/1920px-F5D_in_flight_1971.jpg ... the F-16XL, Hawker-Siddeley P.1127, YF-12, F/A=-18, F-4, F-15, F-82, f-100, YF-93, F-107, a modified F-5E, & several flavors of F-8 Crusader. ONE of us doesn't understand, clearly ... |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 12:23:10 AM EDT
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This otherwise exciting and engaging thread has an amazing amount of hijack
I find it amusing how big of deal the MiG-29’s louvered top-fuselage intakes seemed to be when I was an 80s kid, only for the modernized versions to dump them in exchange for fuel space. So much for Russian priorities for maximum rough field performance. The MiG-29 mod to Falcon 3.0 was the first fighter jet sim I ever played, and was a fun time. |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 9:32:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No worse than the -104. The Grumman Tiger and Super Tiger were decent...The P6M would have been far superior to the B-58, the later Panthers were about as good as a F-100, the -101 moderate, the -102/-106 overtaken by events.
Super Tiger would have been decent, but they only built a few prototypes, it was never adopted, so it wasn't a fighter (or so I have supposedly learned in this thread). One thing NAVAIR was good at was they culled the herd of s$%t fighters quickly. They quickly killed off their s$%tty designs (gutless Cutlass, Skyray) while trying to pursue better things. |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 9:33:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When was the last time NASA flew one as anything other than a test vehicle... Are you trying to imply that if a fighter aircraft is flown for some purpose other than to destroy enemy aircraft, that it auto-magically stops being a fighter aircraft? |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 10:43:14 AM EDT
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Well, I was enjoying this thread until the hand wringing autists decided to derail it into a pissing match of who could be wrong less.....
GD gonna GD.... 
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Posted: 4/12/2018 10:58:49 AM EDT
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Well, I was enjoying this thread until the hand wringing autists decided to derail it into a pissing match of who could be wrong less..... GD gonna GD.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2018 11:49:43 AM EDT
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@bullf-16 I was at Cannon '97 to '99 right when Sing was getting squared away and the -111's were leaving. |
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