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Posted: 2/21/2019 1:30:06 PM EDT
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That is because they get the job done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am all for it. As a layman, it certainly seems we lean on the Marines disproportionately to the size of their branch to accomplish military stuff. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 1:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. So much range |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 1:59:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 500lb warhead and 100 mile range would ruin another nations day https://nationalinterest.org/sites/default/files/styles/desktop__1486_x_614/public/main_images/mizokami_nsm.jpg?itok=n18uz2vV  Failed To Load Title No need to create a new unit, new troop requirements that take away from Infantry, etc - though a new kill chain will have to be added. Or, I always liked the Ground launched SDB that BAE (or was it Boeing?) and SAAB tried out (SDB on the front of a MRLS rocket). |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:05:46 PM EDT
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5mi (8km) isn't enough for shore to ship attacks? how are Marines going to do the over the horizon targeting needed for a longer range anti-ship missile? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Lol. So much range |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:46:58 PM EDT
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5mi (8km) isn't enough for shore to ship attacks? how are Marines going to do the over the horizon targeting needed for a longer range anti-ship missile? Put your sensor on a 20m tower. You just added a whole lot of range (out to 10 miles off the top of my head) to detect a sea level target. Ships are taller than sea level (until you put a bunch of holes in them) |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:10:50 PM EDT
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Good, they should have had the capability years ago.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:40:57 PM EDT
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That's gunnery range. Artillery can shoot further than that. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 5:44:21 PM EDT
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5mi (8km) isn't enough for shore to ship attacks? how are Marines going to do the over the horizon targeting needed for a longer range anti-ship missile? UAVs USVs UUVs Manned aircraft ESM OTHR SOF on small boats |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:29:00 PM EDT
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Please buy!
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Posted: 2/21/2019 7:37:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThose are bad ass missiles/UCAVs. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 7:43:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2019 8:21:03 PM EDT
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5mi (8km) isn't enough for shore to ship attacks? how are Marines going to do the over the horizon targeting needed for a longer range anti-ship missile? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Lol. So much range Think of it like a Rivet Joint/JSTARS/AWACS/Aegis/Hawkeye/FA-18/Growler all rolled up in a sneaky STOVL airframe that can fly off mini carriers and short fields. Bit of a game changer and in need of more ordnance to guide. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 8:44:43 PM EDT
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It seems very logical as we could park them on islands across the Pacific and have a perpetual capability that isn't dependent on a ship staying afloat, fueled, and so on.
There are a lot of very capable anti-ship weapons that the US doesn't seem to have a version of...especially in the area of land based missiles. It seems relatively low cost, easy to maintain, can't sink... If it had the range and was fast enough/hard to detect...it seems like there's no downside? |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:28:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But the Marines had air power then just like they do now. Why do they need these missiles when they have super awesome stealthy F-35 and sattelites? Their whole reason for buying the F-35B was for all of these expeditionary fantasyland scenarios |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you met the F-35B? Think of it like a Rivet Joint/JSTARS/AWACS/Aegis/Hawkeye/FA-18/Growler all rolled up in a sneaky STOVL airframe that can fly off mini carriers and short fields. Bit of a game changer and in need of more ordnance to guide. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:32:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Have you met the F-35B? Think of it like a Rivet Joint/JSTARS/AWACS/Aegis/Hawkeye/FA-18/Growler all rolled up in a sneaky STOVL airframe that can fly off mini carriers and short fields. Bit of a game changer and in need of more ordnance to guide. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOkay, there is a thought. What is the unit cost for a shore battery? Radar vehicle,
CIC, communications, 2-4 launcher vehicles and missiles to boot? 50 million? 100 million? |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:38:20 PM EDT
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Why Marines? Who else are you going to dump on a fucked up little island in the middle of no where with little or no support or infrastructure and loving every minute of it? The Air Force?
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:40:42 PM EDT
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The country that has thousands of spies in America may want to take a shot at some point and we need a counter Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the reason behind the big rush is |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:48:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:44:08 PM EDT
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No one's acting like that works on short to medium range ballistic missiles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
No one's acting like that works on short to medium range ballistic missiles. Does a ballistic missile based in western China travel exoatmosphetically at any point? Why does China care so much about THAAD deployments? Why did Russia announce 5 new weapons systems that have only space based interceptors as a common denominator? Is Russia’s Poseidon a greater threat to the US or China? And speaking of asking for effects, what happens when a technologically inferior enemy intentionally Kesslers the world? What system or systems can create the best replacement for our previously orbital C4I? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 11:56:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Have you met the F-35B? Think of it like a Rivet Joint/JSTARS/AWACS/Aegis/Hawkeye/FA-18/Growler all rolled up in a sneaky STOVL airframe that can fly off mini carriers and short fields. Bit of a game changer and in need of more ordnance to guide. Now that the Marines have such a sensor it is not much of a surprise they want a missile for it to guide. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 12:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the ChiComs had a stealthy senor node they could use to find, track, and provide missile guidance to our carriers over the horizon the DF 21/26 would be exponentially more dangerous. Now that the Marines have such a sensor it is not much of a surprise they want a missile for it to guide. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:20:33 PM EDT
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That is because they get the job done. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:30:40 PM EDT
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Like satellites? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If the ChiComs had a stealthy senor node they could use to find, track, and provide missile guidance to our carriers over the horizon the DF 21/26 would be exponentially more dangerous. Now that the Marines have such a sensor it is not much of a surprise they want a missile for it to guide. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:32:27 PM EDT
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Okay, there is a thought. What is the unit cost for a shore battery? Radar vehicle, CIC, communications, 2-4 launcher vehicles and missiles to boot? 50 million? 100 million? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Okay, there is a thought. What is the unit cost for a shore battery? Radar vehicle,
CIC, communications, 2-4 launcher vehicles and missiles to boot? 50 million? 100 million? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 2:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It really depends on what your requirements are, but if you just want to defend a small atoll from limited attacks you could probably get a battery for 20-30 million. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 3:12:28 PM EDT
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Go with the Konsburg NSM and be done with it
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Posted: 2/22/2019 3:17:38 PM EDT
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Like satellites? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If the ChiComs had a stealthy senor node they could use to find, track, and provide missile guidance to our carriers over the horizon the DF 21/26 would be exponentially more dangerous. Now that the Marines have such a sensor it is not much of a surprise they want a missile for it to guide. The F-35 can actually do the task. No satellite can provide real time weapon tracking to a missile on a moving and maneuvering ship packed with ECMs. Anyone who thinks the capabilities of the F-35B are not driving this new Marine Corps need for a long range missile is not paying attention. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 3:35:20 PM EDT
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You need to shop that to Vietnam and the Phillipines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It really depends on what your requirements are, but if you just want to defend a small atoll from limited attacks you could probably get a battery for 20-30 million. SAAB has had a lot of interest from small countries in SEA. 
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Posted: 2/22/2019 4:00:21 PM EDT
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We are. SAAB has had a lot of interest from small countries in SEA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It really depends on what your requirements are, but if you just want to defend a small atoll from limited attacks you could probably get a battery for 20-30 million. SAAB has had a lot of interest from small countries in SEA. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 5:35:50 PM EDT
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You need to shop that to Vietnam and the Phillipines. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 5:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, different. The F-35 can actually do the task. No satellite can provide real time weapon tracking to a missile on a moving and maneuvering ship packed with ECMs. Anyone who thinks the capabilities of the F-35B are not driving this new Marine Corps need for a long range missile is not paying attention. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 5:43:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somebody better tell the Marines that the missile they are looking at (NSM) doesn't take IFTUs then |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 6:51:41 PM EDT
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Kongsberg is working on a version of the NSM that will fit the F-35 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Somebody better tell the Marines that the missile they are looking at (NSM) doesn't take IFTUs then F-35 can't guide an NSM because the NSM does not accept In Flight Target Updates. It's purely a fire and forget weapon. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 6:55:20 PM EDT
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Which has nothing to do with what I wrote. F-35 can't guide an NSM because the NSM does not accept In Flight Target Updates. It's purely a fire and forget weapon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Somebody better tell the Marines that the missile they are looking at (NSM) doesn't take IFTUs then F-35 can't guide an NSM because the NSM does not accept In Flight Target Updates. It's purely a fire and forget weapon. 
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Posted: 2/22/2019 6:57:31 PM EDT
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nvm
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Posted: 2/22/2019 7:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, different. The F-35 can actually do the task. No satellite can provide real time weapon tracking to a missile on a moving and maneuvering ship packed with ECMs. Anyone who thinks the capabilities of the F-35B are not driving this new Marine Corps need for a long range missile is not paying attention. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 7:54:14 PM EDT
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My first thought was the South China Sea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the reason behind the big rush is |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:40:52 PM EDT
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Vietnam has Kilos with Sizzlers. PLAN can’t be happy about that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need to shop that to Vietnam and the Phillipines. 
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Posted: 2/25/2019 11:33:49 AM EDT
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Does a ballistic missile based in western China travel exoatmosphetically at any point? |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 12:37:37 PM EDT
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Timing of this article is interesting with the upcoming sumit with Lil Kim.
https://defensemaven.io/warriormaven/future-weapons/pentagon-developing-f-35s-to-kill-icbms-AfQPStTbykGh1lAgE2Od0A/ Destroying ICBMs is something quite different than tracking or intercepting a short or medium range ballistic missile. The F-35 is already developed in this capacity; the F-35 has been tested as an aerial node for the Navy’s Naval Integrated Fire Control - Counter Air system. This technology, now deployed, uses ship-based Aegis radar, an aerial sensor node and a guided SM-6 missile to knock out attacking missiles from ranges beyond-the-horizon. Since its inception, NIFC-CA used an E-2 Hawkeye surveillance plane as the aerial node. Now, the system can use a far more capable F-35 as the aerial sensor. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 2:51:51 PM EDT
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Japan would love to sell some of these.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_12_Surface-to-Ship_Missile https://www.mhi.com/products/defense/type88_surface-to-ship_missile_ssm_1.html |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 4:10:33 PM EDT
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Japan would love to sell some of these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_12_Surface-to-Ship_Missile https://www.mhi.com/products/defense/type88_surface-to-ship_missile_ssm_1.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsiung_Feng_III |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 4:14:25 PM EDT
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You need to shop that to Vietnam and the Phillipines. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 4:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vietnam bought 2 K-300P batteries. 
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Posted: 2/26/2019 9:32:06 AM EDT
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No, different. The F-35 can actually do the task. No satellite can provide real time weapon tracking to a missile on a moving and maneuvering ship packed with ECMs. Anyone who thinks the capabilities of the F-35B are not driving this new Marine Corps need for a long range missile is not paying attention. Other weapons, because of long time of flight, small seeker search volumes, and a desire to minimize hitting white shipping require tight cues and IFTUs. The US builds weapons like this |
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