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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:43:48 PM EDT
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$2500 or whatever? ETA: they are saying 4K in that thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. ETA: they are saying 4K in that thread. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:45:49 PM EDT
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IN!
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:46:09 PM EDT
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For $87 I would. For $4k? No way in hell.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:46:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:48:31 PM EDT
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Yes. Take my money.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:48:53 PM EDT
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Want!
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As hard as this might be for you to believe... The Soviets had both traditional snipers and DM.... (Please cite this) 80% of all sniping during World War II took place inside 400 meters. I believe 95% inside 600 meters. (I bet they were) The rifle was designed to fill both rolls.. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:16:55 PM EDT
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starting price will be almost $5k without the scope...... While that will make some people puke, they will likely sell out very fast at that. Currently real Russian SVDs run North of $10,000...... These are investments......not rifles..... |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:20:15 PM EDT
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Lol @ guys thinking a limited run of SVDs would be cheaper than most good AKs and BIG LOL @ guys pretending these rifles are built to compete for practicality against any rifle available in the US instead of being collector pieces
They will sell every single one of them and a good number will immediately be thrown up on gun broker for a very healthy profit |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:20:53 PM EDT
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PSA should make these.
I would buy 2. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:22:20 PM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:24:01 PM EDT
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How much higher can that ceiling go? |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:24:16 PM EDT
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You are welcome to drop one off at my place.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:25:09 PM EDT
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I am going down to the safe and hug my $450 PSL.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:27:08 PM EDT
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Russian Tiger SVDs go for $5-7k
Chinese NDMs go for $5 to 8k Russian KBI SVDs go for $15 to 25k Russian bring back SVD go for $22k Arfcom thinks they go for $800 Goddamn we got some retards around here. Go be poor somewhere else. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:27:41 PM EDT
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$4k? Lolololololol
I wouldn’t have done $2500 either... |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:28:35 PM EDT
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I'd love to have one!... Or at least shoot one.
For now, I'll stick to my x54r trashcan gun. 
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:28:52 PM EDT
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I didn’t even realize FEG made Dragunov style rifles?
If they did, do you know what happened to theirs? @TX-Zen |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:35:31 PM EDT
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starting price will be almost $5k without the scope...... While that will make some people puke, they will likely sell out very fast at that. Currently real Russian SVDs run North of $10,000...... These are investments......not rifles..... |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:35:40 PM EDT
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I'd love to have one!... Or at least shoot one. For now, I'll stick to my x54r trashcan gun. https://i.ibb.co/Bwnq1R3/46-A5-E35-C-E865-40-BE-9-DB4-C5-A70-CA537-C5.jpg 
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:38:01 PM EDT
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Wood FO! ......at around $1000.
Definetly not at over $2k |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:38:47 PM EDT
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LMAO arfcom never disappoints with moron posts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:41:12 PM EDT
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Coincidentally, I have been doing some research on Dragonovs recently, after a Blackwater guy said they used the local stuff, and this announcement is interesting, but what I've learned is that 7.62R ammo isn't cheap here anymore and is subject to sanctions at any time, and match grade snipey type ammo is make your own. Shit mil ammo in a spam can isn't all that great even in a pricey snipey style rifle.
As far as investment material, I think the demographic that wants this dying off fast, and I don't see it going up much, if at all, in the future, but I may be wrong. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:43:32 PM EDT
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Shit ergos, not that accurate, long as a fucking RPK, poor ammo selection, exhorbitant price. What's not to love?
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:50:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:58:00 PM EDT
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I'd love to have one!... Or at least shoot one. For now, I'll stick to my x54r trashcan gun. https://i.ibb.co/Bwnq1R3/46-A5-E35-C-E865-40-BE-9-DB4-C5-A70-CA537-C5.jpg |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 11:59:47 PM EDT
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I have had a couple of the Chicom SVD’s in .308. Cool factor was off the charts. They were solid shooters with good ammo.
But I just never kept them more than a year or so. I eventually decided collector guns just weren’t my thing. The mags for the .308 guns were stupid expensive (if you even found one for sale). The complete absence of repair parts was another concern when you have that much money tied up in something. I’d jump on another SVD for a sane price. But I have no illusion it will ever happen lol |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:04:11 AM EDT
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I turned my x54 into a "VEPRnov". Yeah, still need the correct muzzle device but these weren't threaded. Will fix it someday. https://i.imgur.com/EzwjOJh.jpg |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:04:42 AM EDT
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Do you not find $500 PSL's cool or do you think a reproduction of a collectible rifle that costs more than a 50BMG is not a steep price for nostalgia? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:09:10 AM EDT
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They were saying it would be about 5k give or take. So I'm out lol. Bring in a PKM in semi though.
I hope they succeed in all honesty. We need more original AKs and soviet era firearms. And hopefully that all leads to a semi auto PKM.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:20:37 AM EDT
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I'd love to have one. As to price-point, people seem to have some pretty 1990's level memories on pricing. For a small-production semi-auto military class rifle; you can't compare that to the production costs of a PSA AR10. This is more along the lines of comparable to something like a Steyr AUG; which with integrated optics, is a $2k rifle. More then that, since the AUG is the milder 5.56 round, with mostly aluminum and plastic construction (i.e. cheaper to machine). And they sell every single one they make, about as fast as they make them.
For an SVD; relatively small scale production for civilian market; all milled steel construction, with wood components and optics - $2500 is about as low as you could reasonably ask. $3k is actually about right for something like that, in 2019. $4k is a bit high, and riding the nostalgia premium. They'll get it, but probably not from me. It's an odd-ball round and not that accurate of a rifle. But it is very very cool. If I could find one for $3k with the scope, I'd consider it; as that's actually a pretty reasonable ask for what it would take to make that rifle in 2019. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:32:23 AM EDT
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Russian Tiger SVDs go for $5-7k Chinese NDMs go for $5 to 8k Russian KBI SVDs go for $15 to 25k Russian bring back SVD go for $22k Arfcom thinks they go for $800 Goddamn we got some retards around here. Go be poor somewhere else. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:35:49 AM EDT
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I'd be interested @ $1200
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:37:07 AM EDT
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Russian Tiger SVDs go for $5-7k Chinese NDMs go for $5 to 8k Russian KBI SVDs go for $15 to 25k Russian bring back SVD go for $22k Arfcom thinks they go for $800 Goddamn we got some retards around here. Go be poor somewhere else. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:45:02 AM EDT
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I'm just here for the laughs at people saying they would pay $800. Just like arf truck threads where people want a 4x4 3/4 ton for not a penny more than 20k.
Also laughing at how people think a PSL is a SVD or how a SVD is a big AK. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:05:51 AM EDT
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The Soviets had both traditional snipers and DM.... (Please cite this) They were handed an SVD, received some additional marksmanship training and acted as a support element in their platoon. Typical conscript. But you had actual dedicated snipers in the Spetsnaz and Recon units. Why would you think the Soviets would abandon sniping after being the world leaders from the 1930s through World War II? Here is an excerpt from an interview I did with a Soviet Afghan vet who had served in the Spetsnaz as a sniper. Gunwritr: Did you receive any special training prior to your deployment? Andrei: Yes, mostly ambush, mining, and demining. Also sniper training for me personally, and mountain training as well. This lasted for three months. When I wore the clothes of a younger man I wrote extensively on the SVD, its optic and ammunition. I have been friends with the Dragunov family for not quite 20 years and was privileged to be allowed to write their family history. Mikhail Dragunov actually writes for me... |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:08:31 AM EDT
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I didn't even realize FEG made Dragunov style rifles? If they did, do you know what happened to theirs? @TX-Zen @C-4 |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:17:25 AM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:26:00 AM EDT
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I didn’t even realize FEG made Dragunov style rifles? or....how much of these rifles are Soviet era guns and how much is new made "FEG" is the better question... |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:48:10 AM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:12:22 AM EDT
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Anyone who doesn’t agree with this (or even know it by default) has no business even entering a thread about Dragunov SVDs or their clones. So many morons here who just think it’s a stretched Kalashnikov and should be priced accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russian Tiger SVDs go for $5-7k Chinese NDMs go for $5 to 8k Russian KBI SVDs go for $15 to 25k Russian bring back SVD go for $22k Arfcom thinks they go for $800 Goddamn we got some retards around here. Go be poor somewhere else. This is a new and unproven rifle, from a manufacturer that hasn't made an SVD in serial production before, let alone a modified version, and is apparently on shaky footing. Without reading through the whole thread at the link I don't even see any mention if this is a short throw piston system like a real SVD or a long throw piston like the knock-off PSL. From what I did see, this isn't even an exact clone but has "improvements" made. I have a tack driving .308 OBR that cost almost half what this, a relatively inaccurate rifle in its original form, is listed as costing. Sorry, but wouldn't even give this a second look at anything above $1500 with a PSO scope. I haven't been heavy into AKs for a long while but have always wanted an SVD. However, the reason I don't own one is because they're fairly mediocre rifles and only priced at what they are because of fixed supply only really valuable to collectors so, I've never been able to justify dropping the money on one. No matter how you dress it up, it is in no way, shape, or form a a $4k rifle, nor would it ever be with a relatively open supply. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:21:18 AM EDT
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Except this is none of those. This is a new and unproven rifle, from a manufacturer that hasn't made an SVD in serial production before, let alone a modified version, and is apparently on shaky footing. Without reading through the whole thread at the link I don't even see any mention if this is a short throw piston system like a real SVD or a long throw piston like the knock-off PSL. From what I did see, this isn't even an exact clone but has "improvements" made. I have a tack driving .308 OBR that cost almost half what this, a relatively inaccurate rifle in its original form, is listed as costing. Sorry, but wouldn't even give this a second look at anything above $1500 with a PSO scope. I haven't been heavy into AKs for a long while but have always wanted an SVD. However, the reason I don't own one is because they're fairly mediocre rifles and only priced at what they are because of fixed supply only really valuable to collectors so, I've never been able to justify dropping the money on one. No matter how you dress it up, it is in no way, shape, or form a a $4k rifle, nor would it ever be with a relatively open supply. Earlier in this thread I mentioned that a brand new SVD costs about 2400 euro in Europe. That's about $2900 on the open market outside of the US where they are actually reasonably popular. Is FEG going to charge too much for theirs? Maybe, but we can't get the real deal Russians anyway so the price in Europe is not obtainable anyway. We have to pay whatever FEG is going to charge Also, I can't understand what your opinion of the rifle's performance has to do with how much it costs to make and sell. I also said a Remington 700 will outshoot most high end semi auto's including the SVD...but what does that have to do with anything? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:24:25 AM EDT
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It is an SVD clone though, so it is actually exactly one of the options you mentioned Earlier in this thread I mentioned that a brand new SVD costs about 2400 euro in Europe. That's about $2900 on the open market Also, I can't understand what your opinion of the rifle's performance has to do with how much it costs to make and sell. I also said a Remington 700 will outshoot most high end semi auto's including the SVD...but what does that have to do with anything? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Except this is none of those. This is a new and unproven rifle, from a manufacturer that hasn't made an SVD in serial production before, let alone a modified version, and is apparently on shaky footing. Without reading through the whole thread at the link I don't even see any mention if this is a short throw piston system like a real SVD or a long throw piston like the knock-off PSL. From what I did see, this isn't even an exact clone but has "improvements" made. I have a tack driving .308 OBR that cost almost half what this, a relatively inaccurate rifle in its original form, is listed as costing. Sorry, but wouldn't even give this a second look at anything above $1500 with a PSO scope. I haven't been heavy into AKs for a long while but have always wanted an SVD. However, the reason I don't own one is because they're fairly mediocre rifles and only priced at what they are because of fixed supply only really valuable to collectors so, I've never been able to justify dropping the money on one. No matter how you dress it up, it is in no way, shape, or form a a $4k rifle, nor would it ever be with a relatively open supply. Earlier in this thread I mentioned that a brand new SVD costs about 2400 euro in Europe. That's about $2900 on the open market Also, I can't understand what your opinion of the rifle's performance has to do with how much it costs to make and sell. I also said a Remington 700 will outshoot most high end semi auto's including the SVD...but what does that have to do with anything? At the end of the day, while it is cool, it's still just a clone of a fairly mediocre rifle. ETA: If they're making a clone, they should openly include a pretty important bit of info like details on the gas system besides it being "adjustable". ETA2: Is that $2900 for a legit Russian SVD from the same factory that's been making them for almost 60 years and has production down pat? If so I could kind of see that being worth the selling price. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:24:55 AM EDT
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Thanks for cluing us in.
I dumped $2,200 on a .308 NDM-86 when they came in, but sold it when cash was tight. This won't be cheap, it won't be an uber-precision tack driver...but I don't care. I do have somewhat of a collector's mind set as far as my guns are concerned, I miss the NDM I sold, there will be a certain cool-factor to it, and you only go around once...so fuck it. I joined that site just to get my spot in line...that whole passing-window-of-opportunity thing. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:45:14 AM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. I wouldn't pay more than $750-1,000 for a new one. And that would be pushing it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:48:14 AM EDT
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Russian Tiger SVDs go for $5-7k Chinese NDMs go for $5 to 8k Russian KBI SVDs go for $15 to 25k Russian bring back SVD go for $22k Arfcom thinks they go for $800 Goddamn we got some retards around here. Go be poor somewhere else. You're right about there being retards here, unfortunately, you seem to be one of them because you can't read. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 5:18:57 AM EDT
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Just my $0.02 and worth exactly what you paid for it. More power to the folks willing to pony up the money for one but you wouldn't find me among them. At the end of the day, while it is cool, it's still just a clone of a fairly mediocre rifle. ETA: If they're making a clone, they should openly include a pretty important bit of info like details on the gas system besides it being "adjustable". ETA2: Is that $2900 for a legit Russian SVD from the same factory that's been making them for almost 60 years and has production down pat? If so I could kind of see that being worth the selling price. Side note, as far as it being a mediocre rifle, I think it all depends on the ammo. Every AK owner believes their guns are sub moa but I must be the one guy who doesn't own a sub moa AK. All my 5.45 guns are 2-3" inches at best And I can't speak for every SVD and every shooter out there either but in my personal experience my own 54R NDM86 shot .93" with handloads. My 54R Tiger shoots about 1.25 to 1.5 inch groups with 7N1. My friend has a Tiger that shoots the same with 7N1. My old .308 NDM86 shot .74" with 168gr Winchester Ballistic Silver Tips I didn't have that kind of accuracy with surplus ammo or non match grade ammo. I think the SVD gets a bad rap because NATO says it's a 2 MOA gun, and then guys will grab a PSL and shoot 54R surplus through it and get crap groups. Everyone seems to assume that because the SVD shoots the same caliber it must also be crap. Everyone may be right though, I can only say what I have personally seen with my own eyes I've also found that the Russian Tigers seem to be more consistently accurate than the 54R NDM86s I've owned or shot and are more tolerant of ammo types as well. I'm not sure why but it's a trend I have personally witnessed. I've never seen one myself but I have a few friends with KBI Russian SVDs who claim they hover around 1.5" groups. Based on the performance I've seen out of Russian Tiger I don't see why that wouldn't be true But again mediocre is a relative statement. If you do your research on ammo you might find the SVD can turn out some surprising groups. Sub MOA all day long? Doubtful...but what's the practical difference between a 1.5" group and a sub MOA group out to 500 or 600 meters? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:06:44 AM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. I'd consider a new one today if they were in the $1500 or below range. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:24:15 AM EDT
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Were they ever that low? They were never really something I paid attnetion to in the time of $87 SKS's. I'd consider a new one today if they were in the $1500 or below range. the .308 Yugo AK's for a long time, them they were gone  .
I'm glad I did pick up a few SVT 40's for $225 though 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:24:54 AM EDT
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AK pattern rifle? Hard pass. |
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