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Link Posted: 1/9/2020 1:36:05 AM EDT
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5.7?

.327 Federal Magnum is under appreciated.

Over 2000fps out of the Henry lever action.

A Redhawk Ruger sized cylinder could hold plenty.

Rimmed for your pleasure when it comes to revolvers IMO.
Link Posted: 1/9/2020 10:00:25 AM EDT
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As a general rule, round guns and bottleneck cartridges don't get along.
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Why is that?

If they stick in a revos cylinder, why don't they stick in a "normal" chamber?
Link Posted: 1/9/2020 12:02:02 PM EDT
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They have more of a tendency to back out and stick is the problem. Locks up the cylinder
Link Posted: 1/9/2020 3:25:01 PM EDT
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That's a lot lower pressure than 5.7x28mm.
Link Posted: 1/9/2020 5:36:44 PM EDT
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5.7?

.327 Federal Magnum is under appreciated.

Over 2000fps out of the Henry lever action.

A Redhawk Ruger sized cylinder could hold plenty.

Rimmed for your pleasure when it comes to revolvers IMO.
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Could be true.  But this is a 5.7 thread.

Consolation prizes:



.327 vs 22 WMR revolver. And:

Link Posted: 1/9/2020 5:39:41 PM EDT
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Or 9mm for that matter.........why?
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Why not? After all there is a 45acp revolver. Not sure why, but they exist.
Or 9mm for that matter.........why?
Glad to know I'm not the only one baffled by their existence.  Worst of both worlds imho
Link Posted: 1/9/2020 5:48:41 PM EDT
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It’s been done before.  S&W Mod 53 in .22 Jet.

Bullet mass/typeVelocityEnergy
40 gr (3 g)1,710 ft/s (520 m/s)261 ft·lbf (354 J)
40 gr (3 g)1,700 ft/s (520 m/s)258 ft·lbf (350 J)
45 gr (3 g)1,630 ft/s (500 m/s)267 ft·lbf (362 J)
Test barrel length: 8½ in (22 cm)
Source(s): Barnes & Amber 1972



It had a lot of issues with the bottleneck cartridge and at a much lower pressure and velocity than the 5.7
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:32:35 PM EDT
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It’s been done before.  S&W Mod 53 in .22 Jet.

Bullet mass/typeVelocityEnergy
40 gr (3 g)1,710 ft/s (520 m/s)261 ft·lbf (354 J)
40 gr (3 g)1,700 ft/s (520 m/s)258 ft·lbf (350 J)
45 gr (3 g)1,630 ft/s (500 m/s)267 ft·lbf (362 J)
Test barrel length: 8½ in (22 cm)
Source(s): Barnes & Amber 1972

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/413/90939D6C-F6FD-4F7B-9418-66C450C19A55-1227485.jpg

It had a lot of issues with the bottleneck cartridge and at a much lower pressure and velocity than the 5.7
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@cigardad  - thanks!

That’s close and it’s a valuable contribution to this topic.  
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:37:06 PM EDT
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Look up the ill fated Model 53 S&W in 22jet.

That was a smooth tapered round, 357 necked down to 22 if I recall correct.

And even it had problems with binding up against the recoil shield.

Bottle necked cartridges like a 5.7 would be a bitch once the round pushes back against the recoil shield.

I missed out on a Model 53 about 20 years ago.  Was in oristine shape in box with the inserts to shoot 22lr.   Wanted like 550 for it.   I went home to research it and it was gone before I could drive back to get it.

Would have been a fun squirrel popping side arm for out and about.

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Glad somebody beat me to it.   All of the above in the pic demknstrates the bottle neck problem.   357 down to 22 was done over a very lkng taper.

A 5.7 with steep angle will set back like a son of a bitch.
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:42:21 PM EDT
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In this day and age, 3D printing sabots and reloading seems to make more sense than a bottle neck cartridge in a revolver
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:43:53 PM EDT
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Why is that?

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As a general rule, round guns and bottleneck cartridges don't get along.
Why is that?

If they stick in a revos cylinder, why don't they stick in a "normal" chamber?
A shouldered cartidge is going spread the breechface and cylinder apart with a force equal to the maximum pressure multiplied by the annular cross-sectional area provided by the difference in maximum internal diameter minus bullet diameter.  This could damage the parts of the gun that support the cylinder, since that force does not act through the axis of the cylinder.  If it deflects far enough, the case can stretch, such that when the cylinder attempts to return to its original position (provided that it or its supports didn't break or yield) the permanently deformed case is extremely tight.

For straight-walled cartridges, the cylinder does not see huge off-axis forces that act parallel to the axis.
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:45:55 PM EDT
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Look up the Knights R2 series of revolver/rifles.

44mag cartridges with a sliding sleeve that held a 30cal bullet.   On firing sleeve slides forward creating seal at barrel/cylinder gap.  Made for a hell of an effective suppressed firearm.   Giant integral suppressor for the 30cal subsonic projectile.

They made a smaller 38spl casing that fired 22 caliber bullets as well for a suppressed handgun version of the rifle.
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:50:28 PM EDT
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The thought of a 5.7 revolver makes my ears bleed. A .22 mag revolver is obnoxious enough, can't even imagine a 5.7.
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:51:59 PM EDT
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7.8mm at the base, about .30". I'd guess 6, but I don't know how much meat that cartridge needs between the chambers. Mind the gap, lol!
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I'd say 7. A Nagant revolver holds that many and does not have an overly large cylinder
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 4:52:27 PM EDT
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Depends on the size of the cylinder
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:35:14 PM EDT
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True.

Then again:  with a cartridge as thin as the 5.7, maybe there is extra room in a revolver’s cylinder? Like this:



Or even the 3 barrel configuration posted on page 1 by Beitodestrafe.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:40:09 PM EDT
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This statement didn't get the attention it required.
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As a general rule, round guns and bottleneck cartridges don't get along.
This statement didn't get the attention it required.
And one more time because.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:44:03 PM EDT
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Or 9mm for that matter.........why?
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A 9mm revolver could be built with a shorter cylinder and shorter frame than a revolver built for the needlessly-long .38 Special.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:44:58 PM EDT
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Ahh, that makes sense. Or is the round backing out an urban legend? Needs Mythbusters
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:47:59 PM EDT
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S&W Model 53 revolver / 22 JET~
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:52:13 PM EDT
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Good point.

Getting back to 5.7:  it is a long cartridge for a semi-auto.

But not that long by revolver standards.  And not  much thicker than the .22.

Plus, a .224 barrel with a Scandium outer shell would weigh next to nothing.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 4:20:04 PM EDT
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Bottle neck cartridges are a pita in revolvers. .22 jet is awesome but gotta keep very clean or you end up with stuck cases and cykinder
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The 22 jet is also heavily tapered.
The 5.7 might work.
Don't know how an extractor would work short of a single action though.
Link Posted: 1/31/2020 9:13:10 AM EDT
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The 22 jet is also heavily tapered.
The 5.7 might work.
Don't know how an extractor would work short of a single action though.
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Bottle neck cartridges are a pita in revolvers. .22 jet is awesome but gotta keep very clean or you end up with stuck cases and cykinder
The 22 jet is also heavily tapered.
The 5.7 might work.
Don't know how an extractor would work short of a single action though.
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