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Quoted: I'll play: P-47 Thunderbolt, specifically the D model. Why? Eight .50s good armor and overall survivability, long legged, and very fast at altitude. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/P-47D-40_Thunderbolt_44-95471_side.jpg/1200px-P-47D-40_Thunderbolt_44-95471_side.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iBm50UPDeoM/maxresdefault.jpg https://external-preview.redd.it/I7X2ZTinukf0RKqmI-043cF8XUfXVquDG8T6RPEGvDU.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2479ce7bc0e0e291d01d8d2f192a1cf32e03d5cb http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/P-47_gun_harmonization_1945_page_35.jpg View Quote This, but make mine the N model. The ultimate Thunderbolt. All the attributes of the D model, but with longer range, higher roll rate, and faster top speed. Such a shame these weren't utilized in Korea. |
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Quoted: I'll play: P-47 Thunderbolt, specifically the D model. Why? Eight .50s good armor and overall survivability, long legged, and very fast at altitude. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/P-47D-40_Thunderbolt_44-95471_side.jpg/1200px-P-47D-40_Thunderbolt_44-95471_side.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iBm50UPDeoM/maxresdefault.jpg https://external-preview.redd.it/I7X2ZTinukf0RKqmI-043cF8XUfXVquDG8T6RPEGvDU.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2479ce7bc0e0e291d01d8d2f192a1cf32e03d5cb http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/P-47_gun_harmonization_1945_page_35.jpg View Quote P-51 can’t be beat in many ways, but the Jug can bring you home with a blown apart cylinder. Plus eight 50# as well as possible bombs and rockets, or drop tanks. And adding a vote for the P-47 for Primus Pilum, because the hug was his favorite WWII airplane. I’m also a fan of the A-20. Big single seat attack plane/lt bomber, with a bunch of 50# in the nose, bombs (skip bombing no less, or parafrags) and a twin 50 turret in back |
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P-47N Thunderbolt.
Focke-Wulf FW-190. F4U corsair. My picks in order of preference. |
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Quoted: I cannot imagine there being any more fun possible in the world than rolling in on trains and tanks and buildings and cows and everything else in a P-47 and opening up with all eight .50 cals. Those gun films of them strafing trains and watching them blow up is satisfying beyond words. View Quote Not the cows George! |
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Quoted: P-47, any one with a bubble canopy. The US could have built nothing but jugs for the air force fighter squadrons and still dominated the skies. They were without a doubt the toughest fighter flying. They could take an insane beating and still keep flying. The mustang could be downed with a single bullet to the radiator. Jugs got home with entire cylinders shot away and the pilot had armor around him for safety. At least once a german in a focke wulf emptied his entire magazine into the tail end of a wounded jug and STILL didn't shoot him down. The german, recognizing the superiority of this American monster, was forced by his code of honor to escort the jug home because he knew the better plane when he saw it. It was huge, like the brass balls of the heroes that flew them. It had to be huge because you couldn't pack all that awesomeness into a small package. That big double wasp engine was tweaked to eventually put out something like 2400hp. They used every trick in the book. A supercharger alone wasn't enough. They also put on a turbo charger too because yo dawg we heard u like chargers so we put a turbocharger on your super charger! They gave it things like water injection, intercoolers, high octane fuels, new propeller and all it ever did was go faster to the point where it's earlier deficiencies in climbing were reversed to become excellent at climbing so poor jerry couldn't run away anymore. Those pussy merlin engines never even came close to matching the horsepower of this monster. The brits had to go invent a new engine and steal all of the improvements the jug pioneered just to come close. They were one of the fastest fighters in the sky and NOTHING could out dive it. If a german tried diving after them in an ME 109 they would literally rip their wings off. Nothing the germans made in any real quantity could really match it up high where the bombers worked. The germans mopped the floor down low vs the russians but their little planes would gasp for air where the Jugs held court. With drop tanks they had plenty of gas to get to berlin, say fuck you to hitler and get back with gas to spare. And of course 8 x .50 cal mgs would shred anything unfortunate enough to cross their sights, like the 20 or so ME 262 JETS they shot down. Because fuck your jet, jugs rule. They could also carry a couple of bombs if they wanted to because fuck you down on the ground, too. An all American, heavily armed muscle car of the sky. Face it, it's fucking sexy in that special way only something huge, powerful and dangerous is sexy. There is no other choice. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/f0/92/9af092336e137ca0bdc5b324e435fa24--cutaway-vintage-travel.jpg https://media.defense.gov/2006/Aug/11/2000574561/-1/-1/0/050317-F-1234P-004.JPG View Quote Our planes ran 100 octane on the low end and 150 on the high end. The Germans ran on 89 octane (if you convert the german gas octane rating over). Right there their engines weren’t that competitive. |
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Quoted: Tough bastards too. Can you imagine a today's 20-something explaining how he made it home in this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202842/cE4hbmc_jpg-1512387.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202842/55c8a69f23518cad69759da00df6ed88_jpg-1512392.JPG View Quote air cooled engines have certain advantages over liquid cooled engines...... |
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Man that’s a tough question. P51 take into combat for sheer versatility. Could do everything the enemy fighters could but over their turf. It’s not my favorite plane but probably the best all around fighter of the war.
F4U-4 would probably be a close second but unsure how it would do in ETO and also a late war fighter. P38 J or later with the Fowler flaps installed is attractive but you still have a higher pilot load with the 2 engines and struggled a lot in the ETO to work the bugs out. P47 is great but limited range until M/N and by then you are talking end of war. Also less versatile in tactics compared to P51. P40g is the best looking but not competitive performance wise. Best interceptor would probably go to Spitfire MK IX and later. They did start to gain respectable range in the end. |
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F4F Wildcat to fly at Midway and Coral Sea, or the P-51 to escort the B-17s and B-24s into Germany and back.
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Quoted: My answer would hands down be the Corsair, but If you are going to include the Skyraider which was post WW2 I will include the Hawker Sea Fury.....which went up against MiG's in Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Fury https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66241/C60B0661-1C4B-444A-BD2D-233E18B972E4-1512403.jpg View Quote One of my neighbors has a Sea Fury. He grenaded the motor some years ago. Now it just sits. |
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Quoted: I would agree with the P38. It didn't have the highest top speed, but it did have a much higher rate of climb of any other (piston or jet) fighter of WW2, including the me262. The only thing I'm aware of that could beat it's rate of climb was the me 163, which was rocket powered. Also, the gun placement made it easier to hit your targets since the guns were directly in front of the pilot, not out on the wings. It also had an incredible record for getting pilots home. The p38's incredible climb performance made it a great energy fighter. View Quote P-38's drawback to being an Energy Fighter "Boom & Zoom" was the dive speed cased compressibility issues making a very high speed something that a pilot could not pull out off. The very late model P-38s finally included "Dive flaps" to assist with. The P-47 & P-51 could both dive faster than the P-38. I have been digging the Naval Aviation of WWII. What huge clanking Balls you had to fly off a straight deck carrier in those days. There was no angled flight deck to allow for a "Bolter / Go Around" - if you didn't catch the 4 wires on your landing, you went into a crash barrier or over the side. Really dig the F6F Hellcat. The Plane that wracked up incredible kill numbers & Destroyed Japan in the air. Fun Factoid - What do the B-26 Marauder, the F4U Corsair, the P-47 Thunderbolt & the F6F Hellcat have in common? Click To View Spoiler They share the same engine - the P&W R2800 (mechanical supercharged on the F4U & F6F & Turbosupercharged on the P-47)
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Quoted: The P47 would have been my pick. The P39 Aircobra should have been a hot ship as designed. It was designed with a turbo charger unit but it was deleted because the turbocharger production was insufficient for the P38 and the P39. Much as the P40 suffered forhorsepower. I want to say in the Pacific theater the P39 had more kills than other aircraft. View Quote P-38 was the top scoring Air Force Fighter in the Pacific, not the P-39. (Ironically the P-39 did VERY well with the Russians against German FW-190s & Bf109s because the combat was a low level - But the P-39 wasn't a good fit for the Air Combat in either the Pacific or Western Europe But the Top Killer of Japanese Aircraft in the Pacific was the F6F Hellcat. Over 5,600 kills |
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Quoted: Always liked the Dornier Do 335 Pfiel https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/43372/2584312605_58bb4d174b_z_jpg-1512525.JPG View Quote Probably my favorite. Attached File The Pushmipullyu did reportedly see a little bit of combat near the end of the war. |
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Quoted: P-38's drawback to being an Energy Fighter "Boom & Zoom" was the dive speed cased compressibility issues making a very high speed something that a pilot could not pull out off. The very late model P-38s finally included "Dive flaps" to assist with. The P-47 & P-51 could both dive faster than the P-38. I have been digging the Naval Aviation of WWII. What huge clanking Balls you had to fly off a straight deck carrier in those days. There was no angled flight deck to allow for a "Bolter / Go Around" - if you didn't catch the 4 wires on your landing, you went into a crash barrier or over the side. Really dig the F6F Hellcat. The Plane that wracked up incredible kill numbers & Destroyed Japan in the air. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/20/01/8c2001dc0ae29963132546e0b068fa2a.jpg https://conceptbunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Grumman_F6F.gif View Quote The P-38 was also overly complicated for your average WW2 fighter pilot. Even someone as capable as Robin Olds found it to be a handful: https://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm I still think it's an awesome plane, though. And there's no denying what Richard Bong and Thomas McGuire were able to do with it. |
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Quoted: The P-38 was also overly complicated for your average WW2 fighter pilot. Even someone as capable as Robin Olds found it to be a handful: https://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm I still think it's an awesome plane, though. And there's no denying what Richard Bong and Thomas McGuire were able to do with it. View Quote Truth to that! The P-38 had the advantage of the Gun Pod (no convergence needed) A good shot could reach out there with a PUNCH since the guns were all aligned. Richard Bong has a long time Hunter & had incredible eyesight. And even though complex to manage, especially in combat, in the vast distances over water, having a 2nd engine is some insurance to help get home. The P-38 was the only fighter (in various models) to be in production BEFORE the war started and continue in production until AFTER the war was over. |
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Quoted: air cooled engines have certain advantages over liquid cooled engines...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Tough bastards too. Can you imagine a today's 20-something explaining how he made it home in this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202842/cE4hbmc_jpg-1512387.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202842/55c8a69f23518cad69759da00df6ed88_jpg-1512392.JPG air cooled engines have certain advantages over liquid cooled engines...... The P-47 was just a full on BEAST Mode fighter that could not only dish out a hard punch with EIGHT .50 cal MGs (plus Rockets, Bombs & Naplam), but could TAKE a hit and still get home too... |
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Fighter eh?
WW2, P-47 or P-51D. The Bearcat was great, but fucking Navy, I’d rather be a fuck you submarine officer. The P-38 was great but it was built too soon and didn’t get built with good engines like Kelly wanted. The version he wanted would have been the best piston engine fighter ever. They built two. Korea, A-26. Yes it’s a stretch. Vietnam, if I can’t fly a Herk, I guess I’ll take a Spad. Skyraider for the USAF. OV-10 as a backup. Though, I love the F-105, I would duel with soviet SAM sites. Else? A-10. I’m a candy bar wing guy. |
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Quoted: Grumman F7F Tigercat. It had range: 1181mi. and speed: 460mph but was unfortunately a little late to the ballgame. http://shutterspeedaero.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/2013-dsc_9415_d300_tonemapped.jpg View Quote We had one of those here in town over the 4th. They kept doing flyovers at our softball tournament and it was the only plane I couldn't figure out! |
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Quoted: We had one of those here in town over the 4th. They kept doing flyovers at our softball tournament and it was the only plane I couldn't figure out! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Grumman F7F Tigercat. It had range: 1181mi. and speed: 460mph but was unfortunately a little late to the ballgame. http://shutterspeedaero.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/2013-dsc_9415_d300_tonemapped.jpg We had one of those here in town over the 4th. They kept doing flyovers at our softball tournament and it was the only plane I couldn't figure out! Nothing quite like watching those at an air race. Just raw fucking POWAH! |
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Quoted: Dec 7th 1941...it did exist for a few hours https://i2.wp.com/cms.sofrep.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/f-14-tomcat.jpg?fit=800%2C420&ssl=1 https://conceptbunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat.jpg View Quote I was just watching that earlier. |
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My diseased FIL was a P-38 driver in WW II. Said published performance stats are BS. His favorite airframe.
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US in ETO - P-47 - radial engine, heavy armor, 8 .50 cals, plus rockets and bombs and shit
US in Pacific - P-38 - twin engines for life insurance over water, guns in the nose for accurate shooting US in ETO for awesome looks - P-51D US in Pacific for awesome looks - F4U Brits - Tossup between Spitfire and Mosquito Kraut - ME-262, or FW-190 for a prop plane Kraut for awesome looks and sounds - JU-87 Stuka with Jericho horns Japs and Russkies - fuck them and their shitty planes. But I guess a Zero and a Sturmovik. Ju87 Stuka Dive Bombers in Action with Sound and Sirens WW2 Luftwaffe Footage |
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Radial engine: F4U V-12: P-51 Jet: Arado 234B (If you get a chance to sit in the cockpit, you start wanting to see what the view was like from altitude, and the B model, because I have zero interest in attempting to land the A model.) https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/arado-ar-234-b-2-blitz-lightning/nasm_A19600312000 |
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A1 Skyraider
Only single engine prop plane rated to carry a nuke! If it had to have WWII combat: A26 Invader |
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Quoted: I am no wordsmith/typer or collector of pics of stuff like @Miami_JBT but here I go This isn't the which was the best fighter of WW2 thread. And yes I know most would probably pick what they thought was the best. I don't provide a list because there were sooooo many from every combatant country. The question is, which one would YOU have wanted to fly and why? Provide and label pics please. mine would be the P38 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/p-38-lighning-in-flight_jpg_pc-adaptive_-1512017.JPG bonus points if you can find cutaway pics of your plane as well----I had books growing up that had the pic of the plane, then the cutaway with specs and explanations of what was what---always mesmerized me https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/P38_1920_BG_png-1512015.JPG why? because I fit in one. And two engine. Over the pacific? I'll take two engine please. And they could get at least the air over the wings close to the speed of sound. oh and because guns are icky https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/nose-art_jpg-1512026.JPG 2nd place Douglas A-1 Skyraider----I know----wasn't IN ww2----but it was made during WW2---and this is my thread https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/1024px-A-1J_Skyraider_VA-176_Vietnam_196-1512030.JPG Why? Because it is just huge! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/s-l1600_jpg-1512040.JPG View Quote Guessing the Skyraider is a repurposed F8F Bearcat, which was denied its rite of passage when |
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Quoted: Guessing the Skyraider is a repurposed F8F Bearcat, which was denied its rite of passage when Eisenhower green lit using the atom bomb. But it took that much to overshadow it. View Quote Bearcat was a Grumman design. A lightweight, high performance fighter. Skyraider was a Douglas design. A heavy (for a single engine plane) attack bomber. |
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My favorite has always been the P-38...love the look and the center mounted, non converging firing machine guns.
2nd, the FW-190, specifically the later long nose “D” version Attached File Attached File |
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MK9 or later Spitfire, best looking machine in the sky before the F86 made its debut. Cannon equipped Spits made it the perfect fighter.
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Quoted: Tigercat and Bearcat - of course neither should really count. So must make it a Corsair and be done with it. For just looks, I also liked the King Cobra - but it is really a precursor to the A10, definitely not a fighter. http://www.aviation-history.com/bell/p63-22a.jpg View Quote Several of the Top Russian WWII Aces ran up some impressively high scores using the P-39 Airacobra against Bf-109 & FW-190s. The P-63 is a redesign - refinement with a laminar airfoil, more powerful engine & updates. Russians received a significant number of them, but the US did something weird in the Lend Lease Agreement which was to specify that P-63s could NOT be used in the E.T.O., (only in the Pacific). |
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Quoted: Dec 7th 1941...it did exist for a few hours https://i2.wp.com/cms.sofrep.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/f-14-tomcat.jpg?fit=800%2C420&ssl=1 https://conceptbunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat.jpg View Quote cheater |
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Quoted: P-47, any one with a bubble canopy. The US could have built nothing but jugs for the air force fighter squadrons and still dominated the skies. They were without a doubt the toughest fighter flying. They could take an insane beating and still keep flying. The mustang could be downed with a single bullet to the radiator. Jugs got home with entire cylinders shot away and the pilot had armor around him for safety. At least once a german in a focke wulf emptied his entire magazine into the tail end of a wounded jug and STILL didn't shoot him down. The german, recognizing the superiority of this American monster, was forced by his code of honor to escort the jug home because he knew the better plane when he saw it. It was huge, like the brass balls of the heroes that flew them. It had to be huge because you couldn't pack all that awesomeness into a small package. That big double wasp engine was tweaked to eventually put out something like 2400hp. They used every trick in the book. A supercharger alone wasn't enough. They also put on a turbo charger too because yo dawg we heard u like chargers so we put a turbocharger on your super charger! They gave it things like water injection, intercoolers, high octane fuels, new propeller and all it ever did was go faster to the point where it's earlier deficiencies in climbing were reversed to become excellent at climbing so poor jerry couldn't run away anymore. Those pussy merlin engines never even came close to matching the horsepower of this monster. The brits had to go invent a new engine and steal all of the improvements the jug pioneered just to come close. They were one of the fastest fighters in the sky and NOTHING could out dive it. If a german tried diving after them in an ME 109 they would literally rip their wings off. Nothing the germans made in any real quantity could really match it up high where the bombers worked. The germans mopped the floor down low vs the russians but their little planes would gasp for air where the Jugs held court. With drop tanks they had plenty of gas to get to berlin, say fuck you to hitler and get back with gas to spare. And of course 8 x .50 cal mgs would shred anything unfortunate enough to cross their sights, like the 20 or so ME 262 JETS they shot down. Because fuck your jet, jugs rule. They could also carry a couple of bombs if they wanted to because fuck you down on the ground, too. An all American, heavily armed muscle car of the sky. Face it, it's fucking sexy in that special way only something huge, powerful and dangerous is sexy. There is no other choice. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/f0/92/9af092336e137ca0bdc5b324e435fa24--cutaway-vintage-travel.jpg https://media.defense.gov/2006/Aug/11/2000574561/-1/-1/0/050317-F-1234P-004.JPG View Quote good posts just standing next to a double wasp engine outside of the plane positioned vertically is awesome----my wife was amazed how long I looked at it "it's just an engine" ummmm, no |
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