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Link Posted: 7/20/2020 8:56:05 PM EST
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F6F....Zero killer

Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:02:44 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:03:30 PM EST
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This, but make mine the N model. The ultimate Thunderbolt. All the attributes of the D model, but with longer range, higher roll rate, and faster top speed.



Such a shame these weren't utilized in Korea.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:13:31 PM EST
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P-51 can’t be beat in many ways, but the Jug can bring you home with a blown apart cylinder.
Plus eight 50# as well as possible bombs and rockets, or drop tanks.

And adding a vote for the P-47 for Primus Pilum,  because the hug was his favorite WWII airplane.


I’m also a fan of the A-20.   Big single seat attack plane/lt bomber, with a bunch of 50# in the nose, bombs (skip bombing no less, or parafrags) and a twin 50 turret in back


Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:27:34 PM EST
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Gift for you OP, YIPPEE, the 5,000th Lightning:



Give me the Jug



Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:31:51 PM EST
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P-47N Thunderbolt.
Focke-Wulf FW-190.
F4U corsair.
My picks in order of preference.

Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:42:02 PM EST
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I cannot imagine there being any more fun possible in the world than rolling in on trains and tanks and buildings and cows and everything else in a P-47 and opening up with all eight .50 cals. Those gun films of them strafing trains and watching them blow up is satisfying beyond words.
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Not the cows George!
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:47:40 PM EST
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P-47, any one with a bubble canopy.  The US could have built nothing but jugs for the air force fighter squadrons and still dominated the skies.  They were without a doubt the toughest fighter flying.  They could take an insane beating and still keep flying. The mustang could be downed with a single bullet to the radiator.  Jugs got home with entire cylinders shot away and the pilot had armor around him for safety.   At least once a german in a focke wulf emptied his entire magazine into the tail end of a wounded jug and STILL didn't shoot him down.  The german, recognizing the superiority of this American monster, was forced by his code of honor to escort the jug home because he knew the better plane when he saw it.

It was huge, like the brass balls of the heroes that flew them.  It had to be huge because you couldn't pack all that awesomeness into a small package.

That big double wasp engine was tweaked to eventually put out something like 2400hp. They used every trick in the book.  A supercharger alone wasn't enough.  They also put on a turbo charger too because yo dawg we heard u like chargers so we put a turbocharger on your super charger!   They gave it things like water injection, intercoolers, high octane fuels, new propeller and all it ever did was go faster to the point where it's earlier deficiencies in climbing were reversed to become excellent at climbing so poor jerry couldn't run away anymore.   Those pussy merlin engines never even came close to matching the horsepower of this monster.   The brits had to go invent a new engine and steal all of the improvements the jug pioneered just to come close.

They were one of the fastest fighters in the sky and NOTHING could out dive it. If a german tried diving after them in an ME 109 they would literally  rip their wings off.  Nothing the germans made in any real quantity could really match it up high where the bombers worked.  The germans mopped the floor down low vs the russians but their little planes would gasp for air  where the Jugs held court.  

With drop tanks they had plenty of gas to get to berlin, say fuck you to hitler and get back with gas to spare.  And of course 8 x .50 cal mgs would shred anything unfortunate enough to cross their sights, like the 20 or so ME 262 JETS they shot down.  Because fuck your jet, jugs rule.  They could also carry a couple of bombs if they wanted to because fuck you down on the ground, too.  

An all American, heavily armed muscle car of the sky.   Face it, it's fucking sexy in that special way only something huge, powerful and dangerous is sexy.   There is no other choice.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/f0/92/9af092336e137ca0bdc5b324e435fa24--cutaway-vintage-travel.jpg



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Our planes ran 100 octane on the low end and 150 on the high end.  

The Germans ran on 89 octane (if you convert the german gas octane rating over).  

Right there their engines weren’t that competitive.  
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 9:57:41 PM EST
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air cooled engines have certain advantages over liquid cooled engines......
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:08:00 PM EST
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Well my wallpaper folder has new content.  
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:25:13 PM EST
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<<<—- I’ll let you guess
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:26:12 PM EST
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Man that’s a tough question.  P51 take into combat for sheer versatility. Could do everything the enemy fighters could but over their turf.  It’s not my favorite plane but probably the best all around fighter of the war.  

F4U-4 would probably be a close second but unsure how it would do in ETO and also a late war fighter.

P38 J or later with the Fowler flaps installed is attractive but you still have a higher pilot load with the 2 engines and struggled a lot in the ETO to work the bugs out.

P47 is great but limited range until M/N and by then you are talking end of war. Also less versatile in tactics compared to P51.  

P40g is the best looking but not competitive performance wise.

Best interceptor would probably go to Spitfire MK IX and later.  They did start to gain respectable range in the end.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:29:01 PM EST
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F4F Wildcat to fly at Midway and Coral Sea, or the P-51 to escort the B-17s and B-24s into Germany and back.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:38:56 PM EST
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Ill take a Tempest. Fast, and 4 Hispanos
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:44:09 PM EST
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My answer would hands down be the Corsair, but If you are going to include the Skyraider which was post WW2 I will include the Hawker Sea Fury.....which went up against MiG's in Korea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Fury


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One of my neighbors has a Sea Fury. He grenaded the motor some years ago. Now it just sits.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:46:13 PM EST
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I would agree with the P38. It didn't have the highest top speed, but it did have a much higher rate of climb of any other (piston or jet) fighter of WW2, including the me262. The only thing I'm aware of that could beat it's rate of climb was the me 163, which was rocket powered. Also, the gun placement made it easier to hit your targets since the guns were directly in front of the pilot, not out on the wings. It also had an incredible record for getting pilots home. The p38's incredible climb performance made it a great energy fighter.
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P-38's drawback to being an Energy Fighter "Boom & Zoom" was the dive speed cased compressibility issues making a very high speed something that a pilot could not pull out off.  The very late model P-38s finally included "Dive flaps" to assist with.

The P-47 & P-51 could both dive faster than the P-38.

I have been digging the Naval Aviation of WWII.  

What huge clanking Balls you had to fly off a straight deck carrier in those days.  

There was no angled flight deck to allow for a "Bolter / Go Around" - if you didn't catch the 4 wires on your landing, you went into a crash barrier or over the side.  

Really dig the F6F Hellcat.  The Plane that wracked up incredible kill numbers & Destroyed Japan in the air.






Fun Factoid - What do the B-26 Marauder, the F4U Corsair, the P-47 Thunderbolt & the F6F Hellcat have in common?

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Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:49:57 PM EST
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The P47 would have been my pick.


The P39 Aircobra should have been a hot ship as designed.  It was designed with a turbo charger unit but it was deleted because the turbocharger production was insufficient for the P38 and the P39.  

Much as the P40 suffered forhorsepower.  

I want to say in the Pacific theater the P39 had more kills than other aircraft.
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P-38 was the top scoring Air Force Fighter in the Pacific, not the P-39.  (Ironically the P-39 did VERY well with the Russians against German FW-190s & Bf109s because the combat was a low level - But the P-39 wasn't a good fit for the Air Combat in either the Pacific or Western Europe

But the Top Killer of Japanese Aircraft in the Pacific was the F6F Hellcat. Over 5,600 kills
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:51:59 PM EST
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Probably my favorite.

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The Pushmipullyu did reportedly see a little bit of combat near the end of the war.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 10:56:09 PM EST
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P-38's drawback to being an Energy Fighter "Boom & Zoom" was the dive speed cased compressibility issues making a very high speed something that a pilot could not pull out off.  The very late model P-38s finally included "Dive flaps" to assist with.

The P-47 & P-51 could both dive faster than the P-38.


I have been digging the Naval Aviation of WWII.  

What huge clanking Balls you had to fly off a straight deck carrier in those days.  

There was no angled flight deck to allow for a "Bolter / Go Around" - if you didn't catch the 4 wires on your landing, you went into a crash barrier or over the side.  

Really dig the F6F Hellcat.  The Plane that wracked up incredible kill numbers & Destroyed Japan in the air.

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The P-38 was also overly complicated for your average WW2 fighter pilot. Even someone as capable as Robin Olds found it to be a handful:

https://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm

I still think it's an awesome plane, though. And there's no denying what Richard Bong and Thomas McGuire were able to do with it.

Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:02:01 PM EST
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The P-38 was also overly complicated for your average WW2 fighter pilot. Even someone as capable as Robin Olds found it to be a handful:

https://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm

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Truth to that!  The P-38 had the advantage of the Gun Pod (no convergence needed)  A good shot could reach out there with a PUNCH since the guns were all aligned.  Richard Bong has a long time Hunter & had incredible eyesight.    And even though complex to manage, especially in combat, in the vast distances over water, having a 2nd engine is some insurance to help get home.

The P-38 was the only fighter (in various models) to be in production BEFORE the war started and continue in production until AFTER the war was over.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:07:57 PM EST
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air cooled engines have certain advantages over liquid cooled engines......



The P-47 was just a full on BEAST Mode fighter that could not only dish out a hard punch with EIGHT .50 cal MGs (plus Rockets, Bombs & Naplam), but could TAKE a hit and still get home too...







Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:12:48 PM EST
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That big double wasp engine was tweaked to eventually put out something like 2400hp. They used every trick in the book.  A supercharger alone wasn't enough.  They also put on a turbo charger too because yo dawg we heard u like chargers so we put a turbocharger on your super charger!  

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I don't believe the P47 had a (mechanical) supercharger and a (exhaust driven) turbocharger.

In the vernacular if the times what we now call a turbocharger was called a "turbosupercharger".


Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:15:34 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:16:29 PM EST
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Grumman F7F Tigercat. It had range: 1181mi. and speed: 460mph but was unfortunately a little late to the ballgame.


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We had one of those here in town over the 4th.  They kept doing flyovers at our softball tournament and it was the only plane I couldn't figure out!
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:17:19 PM EST
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We had one of those here in town over the 4th.  They kept doing flyovers at our softball tournament and it was the only plane I couldn't figure out!
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Grumman F7F Tigercat. It had range: 1181mi. and speed: 460mph but was unfortunately a little late to the ballgame.


http://shutterspeedaero.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/2013-dsc_9415_d300_tonemapped.jpg


We had one of those here in town over the 4th.  They kept doing flyovers at our softball tournament and it was the only plane I couldn't figure out!


Nothing quite like watching those at an air race.

Just raw fucking POWAH!
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:17:31 PM EST
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Thunderbolt.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:27:22 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:30:15 PM EST
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Gruman F7F Tigercat...

Because why just make the most powerful SINGLE engined Navy Fighters when you can DOUBLE up with TWO powerful Radials!!



That thing is Pure SEX in the air.   Fast, maneuverable and just all out 'Merica!!!



Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:33:58 PM EST
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My diseased FIL was a P-38 driver in WW II.  Said published performance stats are BS.  His favorite airframe.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:40:27 PM EST
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US in ETO - P-47 - radial engine, heavy armor, 8 .50 cals, plus rockets and bombs and shit
US in Pacific - P-38 - twin engines for life insurance over water, guns in the nose for accurate shooting

US in ETO for awesome looks - P-51D
US in Pacific for awesome looks - F4U

Brits - Tossup between Spitfire and Mosquito

Kraut - ME-262, or FW-190 for a prop plane
Kraut for awesome looks and sounds - JU-87 Stuka with Jericho horns

Japs and Russkies - fuck them and their shitty planes.  But I guess a Zero and a Sturmovik.

Ju87 Stuka Dive Bombers in Action with Sound and Sirens WW2 Luftwaffe Footage




Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:40:44 PM EST
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P-36?
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:46:21 PM EST
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Always liked the Mosquito.
Followed by the Jug and P-38.
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:54:24 PM EST
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P-36?




Radial engine: F4U

V-12: P-51

Jet: Arado 234B (If you get a chance to sit in the cockpit, you start wanting to see what the view was like from altitude, and the B model, because I have zero interest in attempting to land the A model.)
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/arado-ar-234-b-2-blitz-lightning/nasm_A19600312000
Link Posted: 7/20/2020 11:56:23 PM EST
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Spitfire.
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 12:04:54 AM EST
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A1 Skyraider

Only single engine prop plane rated to carry a nuke!

If it had to have WWII combat: A26 Invader
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 12:35:53 AM EST
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I am no wordsmith/typer or collector of pics of stuff like @Miami_JBT  but

here I go

This isn't the which was the best fighter of WW2 thread.


And yes I know most would probably pick what they thought was the best.



I don't provide a list because there were sooooo many from every combatant country.

The question is, which one would YOU have wanted to fly and why?  Provide and label pics please.




mine would be the P38


https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/p-38-lighning-in-flight_jpg_pc-adaptive_-1512017.JPG


bonus points if you can find cutaway pics of your plane as well----I had books growing up that had the pic of the plane, then the cutaway with specs and explanations of what was what---always mesmerized me

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/P38_1920_BG_png-1512015.JPG


why? because I fit in one.   And two engine.  Over the pacific?  I'll take two engine please.   And they could get at least the air over the wings close to the speed of sound.


oh

and because guns are icky


https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/nose-art_jpg-1512026.JPG




2nd place
Douglas A-1 Skyraider----I know----wasn't IN ww2----but it was made during WW2---and this is my thread

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/1024px-A-1J_Skyraider_VA-176_Vietnam_196-1512030.JPG


Why?


Because it is just huge!


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Guessing the Skyraider is a repurposed F8F Bearcat, which was denied its rite of passage when Eisenhower Truman green lit using the atom bomb.  But it took that much to overshadow it.
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 12:39:35 AM EST
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Guessing the Skyraider is a repurposed F8F Bearcat, which was denied its rite of passage when Eisenhower green lit using the atom bomb.  But it took that much to overshadow it.
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I think you mean Truman.

Link Posted: 7/21/2020 12:40:50 AM EST
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Guessing the Skyraider is a repurposed F8F Bearcat, which was denied its rite of passage when Eisenhower green lit using the atom bomb.  But it took that much to overshadow it.
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Bearcat was a Grumman design.   A lightweight, high performance fighter.

Skyraider was a Douglas design.   A heavy (for a single engine plane) attack bomber.
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 12:48:01 AM EST
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My favorite has always been the P-38...love the look and the center mounted, non converging firing machine guns.

2nd, the FW-190, specifically the later long nose “D” version

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Link Posted: 7/21/2020 12:48:29 AM EST
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MK9 or later Spitfire, best looking machine in the sky before the F86 made its debut. Cannon equipped Spits made it the perfect fighter.
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 1:32:29 AM EST
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Our planes ran 100 octane on the low end and 150 on the high end.  

The Germans ran on 89 octane (if you convert the german gas octane rating over).  

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That is why they used high displacement to make up for the shit gas.
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 1:55:38 AM EST
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Dec 7th 1941...it did exist for a few hours

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I got that reference.

OP, my first memories of the P38 were from an episode of Black Sheep Squadron.

Growing up with that show, the Corsair is my favorite but has already been covered in this great thread
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 2:02:06 AM EST
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An all American, heavily armed muscle car of the sky.   Face it, it's fucking sexy in that special way only something huge, powerful and dangerous is sexy.   There is no other choice.

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Have you ever considered a career as a strip club DJ?
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 2:30:45 AM EST
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Tigercat and Bearcat - of course neither should really count.  So must make it a Corsair and be done with it.

For just looks, I also liked the King Cobra - but it is really a precursor to the A10, definitely not a fighter.

Link Posted: 7/21/2020 2:45:07 AM EST
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Just think about 14 .50cal M2s coming at you.
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Tigercat and Bearcat - of course neither should really count.  So must make it a Corsair and be done with it.

For just looks, I also liked the King Cobra - but it is really a precursor to the A10, definitely not a fighter.
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Several of the Top Russian WWII Aces ran up some impressively high scores using the P-39 Airacobra against Bf-109 & FW-190s.

The P-63 is a redesign - refinement with a laminar airfoil, more powerful engine & updates.  Russians received a significant number of them, but the US did something weird in the Lend Lease Agreement which was to specify that P-63s could NOT be used in the E.T.O., (only in the Pacific).
Link Posted: 7/21/2020 5:02:28 AM EST
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I have been digging the Naval Aviation of WWII.  

What huge clanking Balls you had to fly off a straight deck carrier in those days.  

There was no angled flight deck to allow for a "Bolter / Go Around" - if you didn't catch the 4 wires on your landing, you went into a crash barrier or over the side.  
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The accident rate was incredible.  US carriers were designed with stowage for at least 50% replacement aircraft and often sailed with even more, spares partially disassembled and hung from the rafters, just to have something left to fly after a long cruise full of bad landings and ditching.  And that was in peacetime, despite depression era super tight budgets.

Ranger 1937:


Lexington 1941:
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P-47, any one with a bubble canopy.  The US could have built nothing but jugs for the air force fighter squadrons and still dominated the skies.  They were without a doubt the toughest fighter flying.  They could take an insane beating and still keep flying. The mustang could be downed with a single bullet to the radiator.  Jugs got home with entire cylinders shot away and the pilot had armor around him for safety.   At least once a german in a focke wulf emptied his entire magazine into the tail end of a wounded jug and STILL didn't shoot him down.  The german, recognizing the superiority of this American monster, was forced by his code of honor to escort the jug home because he knew the better plane when he saw it.

It was huge, like the brass balls of the heroes that flew them.  It had to be huge because you couldn't pack all that awesomeness into a small package.

That big double wasp engine was tweaked to eventually put out something like 2400hp. They used every trick in the book.  A supercharger alone wasn't enough.  They also put on a turbo charger too because yo dawg we heard u like chargers so we put a turbocharger on your super charger!   They gave it things like water injection, intercoolers, high octane fuels, new propeller and all it ever did was go faster to the point where it's earlier deficiencies in climbing were reversed to become excellent at climbing so poor jerry couldn't run away anymore.   Those pussy merlin engines never even came close to matching the horsepower of this monster.   The brits had to go invent a new engine and steal all of the improvements the jug pioneered just to come close.

They were one of the fastest fighters in the sky and NOTHING could out dive it. If a german tried diving after them in an ME 109 they would literally  rip their wings off.  Nothing the germans made in any real quantity could really match it up high where the bombers worked.  The germans mopped the floor down low vs the russians but their little planes would gasp for air  where the Jugs held court.  

With drop tanks they had plenty of gas to get to berlin, say fuck you to hitler and get back with gas to spare.  And of course 8 x .50 cal mgs would shred anything unfortunate enough to cross their sights, like the 20 or so ME 262 JETS they shot down.  Because fuck your jet, jugs rule.  They could also carry a couple of bombs if they wanted to because fuck you down on the ground, too.  

An all American, heavily armed muscle car of the sky.   Face it, it's fucking sexy in that special way only something huge, powerful and dangerous is sexy.   There is no other choice.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/f0/92/9af092336e137ca0bdc5b324e435fa24--cutaway-vintage-travel.jpg



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good posts


just standing next to a double wasp engine outside of the plane positioned vertically is awesome----my wife was amazed how long I looked at it


"it's just an engine"


ummmm, no
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