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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:33:38 AM EDT
[#1]
Seems a bit expensive for an 8.5lb savage hunting rifle.
But I hope they do well. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:33:42 AM EDT
[#2]
Id buy one of those
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:35:28 AM EDT
[#3]
Love me some straight pulls.
Last commercial model I was tempted by, was the Mauser 1996. It ended up being a PITA, and slower than a turn bolt, thanks to the bolt handle being 5" forward of the trigger guard. Just a stupid design, so I sent it down the road for what it cost me. The Savage looks interesting even if it is a bit pudgy. Lets see if it gets anywhere on the market. For some reason, Americans just don't warm to straight pulls, and never have, despite being faster than hell if the bolt is ridden. So who is gonna be the guinea pig?  |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:44:57 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFLPjQeMWUwI'm not sure if it's this video or another one, but I heard them say it uses a normal 110 barrel and stock It looks that way in the schematic they have posted. In addition to that the bolt handle angle is adjustable. Looks like you can have it straight back or straight forward if you want. I’ve always wanted a straight pull, no real use for it though. Neat operating system. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:49:34 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks that way in the schematic they have posted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFLPjQeMWUwI'm not sure if it's this video or another one, but I heard them say it uses a normal 110 barrel and stock It looks that way in the schematic they have posted. yeah, looks like normal savage barrels mount on an extension specific to this action with this you can change pre-headspaced barrel+extension combo. I think |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:54:23 AM EDT
[#6]
Any interest in my part would depend heavily on accuracy. Before I’d pay the money on a this rifle, it would need to shoot as well as other rifles in the same price level.
Personally, I have feeling I’d be overpaying for an exotic action. Right now, if I was going to pay this type of money on a Savage, I’d be more interested in their new ultralight rifle with carbon fiber over wrap barrel. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:57:22 AM EDT
[#7]
I am thinking a straight pull .308 with a 16" barrel that takes AIC or Magpul 7.62 mags would be nice handling and quick shooting general purpose rifle.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:00:19 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OAL for one. It will be interesting to see if this catches on with the PRS crowd I don’t think they will honestly. Same reason as people shooting gas guns don’t really run stages faster. You can work the bolt on custom actions so fast as it is plus all the moving during the course of fire. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:00:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Heym SR30 also used ball bearings to lock the bolt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-44H321Bsg |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:01:27 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am thinking a straight pull .308 with a 16" barrel that takes AIC or Magpul 7.62 mags would be nice handling and quick shooting general purpose rifle. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:05:14 AM EDT
[#11]
To those complaining about weight, the predator and big game models all have threaded barrels. Threaded barrels are thicker, and thus heavier.
It's what, a pound more than you'd want? Either pull the barrel and turn it or exercise just a teeny bit. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:05:49 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am thinking a straight pull .308 with a 16" barrel that takes AIC or Magpul 7.62 mags would be nice handling and quick shooting general purpose rifle. Yes! One in .223 too... |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:11:32 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The length of those cartridges roughly corresponds to the distance your finger tips travel when opening and closing your hand. In theory you should be able to build a strait pull rifle that you can cycle extremely fast. Think Anshutz 22 but in a useful caliber Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please please make a 5.56/6.5G/6.8/300BLK/7.62X39 toggle or straight pull The length of those cartridges roughly corresponds to the distance your finger tips travel when opening and closing your hand. In theory you should be able to build a strait pull rifle that you can cycle extremely fast. Think Anshutz 22 but in a useful caliber Should've been in a micro-action. Why straight pull fast shots in target or hunting rifles? It is more suited to smaller, mag-fed actions. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:12:11 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Nobody "allows" me to keep anything. My rights are from birth to death and are not obtained from man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would allow us to keep  What are you guys even smoking Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Nobody "allows" me to keep anything. My rights are from birth to death and are not obtained from man. While I agree with the sentiment, "not one step farther" would be a better representation. We are all guilty of following laws we don't believe in, whether we like to admit it or not. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:20:16 AM EDT
[#15]
Make it in 300blk with a factory threaded barrel and I'm in.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:22:14 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of your common hunting rifles are in the 8# range before optics. 8# Rugers outsell everything else 3-4:1 up here for example, and you'll have to try hard to find rougher terrain and conditions than Alaska. The Tikka T3 is a second, but still decently outsold by Ruger. Mind you, I'm comparing rifle weights on 300wm and similar. My 1970s model 700 30-06 weighs 8lbs even _with_ optic. The Savage with scope and rings will be damn near 10 lbs. People can tote what they want. In 2021 I'm not paying $1,000+ for a hunting rifle and have to carry 1 3/4 to 2 lbs extra. With modern materials and computer design there's no reason for it. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:24:12 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To those complaining about weight, the predator and big game models all have threaded barrels. Threaded barrels are thicker, and thus heavier. It's what, a pound more than you'd want? Either pull the barrel and turn it or exercise just a teeny bit. There are several companies that make threaded barreled hunting rifles sub 7lbs. A Kimber Montana is 5.2lbs (over three pounds lighter) with a 22 inch threaded barrel with an msrp of $1,500. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:42:20 AM EDT
[#18]
Cool! This is the perfect climate to release a gun in!
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:57:06 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Love me some straight pulls. Last commercial model I was tempted by, was the Mauser 1996. It ended up being a PITA, and slower than a turn bolt, thanks to the bolt handle being 5" forward of the trigger guard. Just a stupid design, so I sent it down the road for what it cost me. I've owned two of the straight pull M96's, and my only complaint was the fact you had to use tools in order to remove the bolt. Otherwise, I liked everything else about the rifle. They were lightweight, reasonably accurate, and used standard Remington 700 scope bases. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:58:27 AM EDT
[#20]
No iron sights. Do not want. Yes I'm a boomer and damned proud of it. If iron sights had no purpose then no one would really need BUIS. Nothing against scopes at all, but I only own one rifle without iron sights and that is a Ruger Precision Rifle. More of a range toy than anything else.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:04:26 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No iron sights. Do not want. Yes I'm a boomer and damned proud of it. If iron sights had no purpose then no one would really need BUIS. Nothing against scopes at all, but I only own one rifle without iron sights and that is a Ruger Precision Rifle. More of a range toy than anything else. If I bought an RPR, I would look for the 1st Gen with the uninterrupted top rail so I could mount folding irons, or replace the handguard to allow me to do so. Then I would rig up a sling, and then a bipod. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:14:30 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thread it and I'll sell my Seekins Havak. I had been considering a straight pull AR10 upper already. Only question is .243, 6.5 Creedmoor, or wait for something more exciting? It looks like they all have threaded barrels. https://savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=57657 |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:17:12 AM EDT
[#23]
I think I'd do it if it took AR mags
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:21:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No iron sights. Do not want. Yes I'm a boomer and damned proud of it. If iron sights had no purpose then no one would really need BUIS. Nothing against scopes at all, but I only own one rifle without iron sights and that is a Ruger Precision Rifle. More of a range toy than anything else. Do you use See-Thru chin weld rings too? 
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:23:32 PM EDT
[#25]
I'll grab one if they roll out a .223
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:28:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Pretty cool concept. Great for lefties and if the barrels are the same as their other rifles it'll be even cooler. Kind of want.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:43:32 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty cool concept. Great for lefties and if the barrels are the same as their other rifles it'll be even cooler. Kind of want. Yeah. The ease of going back and forth is what really sells it to me. Can have a left handed rifle for me, but want to let a right handed friend try it and it appears to be superfast to switch. The 10 round mags should fit in the ones that come with a 4 round mag so it looking like the hoghunter version will be the one for me. I hope they sell enough to put one out with 16 inch barrel in 308 and 5.56. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:46:05 PM EDT
[#28]
 It looks like the bolt locks into the barrel extension, and similar to an AR15, the receiver just holds it in place. Pretty neat. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 1:42:01 PM EDT
[#29]
The weight doesn't bother me. Most of it is in the heavy and medium weight barrels. Throw a lightweight barrel on there and it will be in the 7 +/- lbs range. What does bother me is the $1k+ price. I doubt they will get loads of sales action at that price point given what it will be competing against at and below that price. "It's as fast as a semi-auto." Except for the folks in PA why not just but a Browning BAR at that price? (or other "finer" rifle)
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Posted: 1/6/2021 1:49:04 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Heym SR30 also used ball bearings to lock the bolt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-44H321BsgThat bolt handle appears to be at a more reasonable angle, at least to my eye. The angle of the Savage bolt screams skinned and bloody knuckles to me.  diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. I caught that it could switch sides, but missed the rotation part. That makes me wonder if it could loosen up and rotate on its own out in the field. Sometime simpler really is better.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 1:51:46 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The weight doesn't bother me. Most of it is in the heavy and medium weight barrels. Throw a lightweight barrel on there and it will be in the 7 +/- lbs range. What does bother me is the $1k+ price. I doubt they will get loads of sales action at that price point given what it will be competing against at and below that price. "It's as fast as a semi-auto." Except for the folks in PA why not just but a Browning BAR at that price? (or other "finer" rifle) It's cheaper than a BAR or the Blazer. It might be a tad more expensive than Henry's Long Ranger. Any of them are a lot more expensive than a decent turn bolt. I think the price point is appealing if you're looking for something other than a turn bolt but don't want, or can't have an auto. And with the built in 20 MOA, the price is comparable to a lot of the bolt actions on the market geared toward varmint and long range shooting. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 1:57:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Meh, too costly, too complex. Does not give me a single advantage over any 40-year old Winchester.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 2:51:42 PM EDT
[#33]
They should have partnered with a company and put it in a good stock or chassis with a good trigger.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 2:53:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No iron sights. Do not want. Yes I'm a boomer and damned proud of it. If iron sights had no purpose then no one would really need BUIS. Nothing against scopes at all, but I only own one rifle without iron sights and that is a Ruger Precision Rifle. More of a range toy than anything else. Please step into my parlour...... 
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Posted: 1/6/2021 2:57:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I caught that it could switch sides, but missed the rotation part. That makes me wonder if it could loosen up and rotate on its own out in the field. Sometime simpler really is better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Heym SR30 also used ball bearings to lock the bolt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-44H321BsgThat bolt handle appears to be at a more reasonable angle, at least to my eye. The angle of the Savage bolt screams skinned and bloody knuckles to me. diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. I caught that it could switch sides, but missed the rotation part. That makes me wonder if it could loosen up and rotate on its own out in the field. Sometime simpler really is better. lol you complain about the angle then when it’s pointed out that it’s adjustable you say simpler is better. Pretty sure the video I watched showed it splined so I doubt it can loosen up. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 2:58:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: They should have partnered with a company and put it in a good stock or chassis with a good trigger. They have a couple guns with a good chassis but they’re spendy. Aren’t there aftermarket trigger options for most Savages? These are just base rifles. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 2:59:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have partnered with a company and put it in a good stock or chassis with a good trigger. I put it together because I got a great deal on the ruger at my LGS thinking it would be a fun range toy because it had a threaded barrel and the thing wound up being my most accurate rifle. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 3:03:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. The ease of going back and forth is what really sells it to me. Can have a left handed rifle for me, but want to let a right handed friend try it and it appears to be superfast to switch. The 10 round mags should fit in the ones that come with a 4 round mag so it looking like the hoghunter version will be the one for me. I hope they sell enough to put one out with 16 inch barrel in 308 and 5.56. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty cool concept. Great for lefties and if the barrels are the same as their other rifles it'll be even cooler. Kind of want. Yeah. The ease of going back and forth is what really sells it to me. Can have a left handed rifle for me, but want to let a right handed friend try it and it appears to be superfast to switch. The 10 round mags should fit in the ones that come with a 4 round mag so it looking like the hoghunter version will be the one for me. I hope they sell enough to put one out with 16 inch barrel in 308 and 5.56. Looking at the pics the magwells are drastically different between the two. I highly doubt that'll work. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Heym SR30 also used ball bearings to lock the bolt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-44H321BsgThat bolt handle appears to be at a more reasonable angle, at least to my eye. The angle of the Savage bolt screams skinned and bloody knuckles to me. diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. I caught that it could switch sides, but missed the rotation part. That makes me wonder if it could loosen up and rotate on its own out in the field. Sometime simpler really is better. It's splined, it's impossible for it to rotate unless you remove the keeper and pull it out. You can see this in the video as well... |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 3:07:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think they will honestly. Same reason as people shooting gas guns don’t really run stages faster. You can work the bolt on custom actions so fast as it is plus all the moving during the course of fire. Fair point, it may catch on with lefties though-it's the first rifle my (LH) brother has been excited for in a while. As long as it's accurate and reliable then it will at least be another good option, and the threaded barrel, 20moa base (that looks to be machined as part of the receiver), and Savage barrel system are all pluses. There are a lot of comments here about weight but I consider 8 lbs to be a pretty normal weight for a rifle. My .308 Tikka with heavy 24" barrel, bipod, optic, etc... is around 15 lbs. My 45-70 is 8.1 lbs with a 22" barrel and no optic or anything. I hunt with both. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 3:07:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No iron sights. Do not want. Yes I'm a boomer and damned proud of it. If iron sights had no purpose then no one would really need BUIS. Nothing against scopes at all, but I only own one rifle without iron sights and that is a Ruger Precision Rifle. More of a range toy than anything else. Please step into my parlour...... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/91277/RAR_NDS-55-56_JPG-1744757.jpg Oh thats badass. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 5:22:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair point, it may catch on with lefties though-it's the first rifle my (LH) brother has been excited for in a while. As long as it's accurate and reliable then it will at least be another good option, and the threaded barrel, 20moa base (that looks to be machined as part of the receiver), and Savage barrel system are all pluses. There are a lot of comments here about weight but I consider 8 lbs to be a pretty normal weight for a rifle. My .308 Tikka with heavy 24" barrel, bipod, optic, etc... is around 15 lbs. My 45-70 is 8.1 lbs with a 22" barrel and no optic or anything. I hunt with both. This is suppose to be a hunting rifle. Thing is a heavy bitch for that. If it was a match rifle no one would care about weight. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 5:37:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I could but I would rather clean my ears out with a pistol than be caught using a savage. Poors doing poor things.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 5:58:03 PM EDT
[#43]
Just as I was thinking “I want that in lefty”, boom ambi bolt handle. Close enough for me.
If it has the same barrel tenon as 10/110 actions, I’ve got a Proof in 308 sitting here that needs a new home. Here comes another unjustifiable purchase. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:05:50 PM EDT
[#44]
I want a short 5.56mm/.300blk version using AR mags, as a quiet suppressed brush/varmint/plinking gun
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:11:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should've been in a micro-action. Why straight pull fast shots in target or hunting rifles? It is more suited to smaller, mag-fed actions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Please please make a 5.56/6.5G/6.8/300BLK/7.62X39 toggle or straight pull The length of those cartridges roughly corresponds to the distance your finger tips travel when opening and closing your hand. In theory you should be able to build a strait pull rifle that you can cycle extremely fast. Think Anshutz 22 but in a useful caliber Should've been in a micro-action. Why straight pull fast shots in target or hunting rifles? It is more suited to smaller, mag-fed actions. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:11:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Heym SR30 also used ball bearings to lock the bolt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-44H321BsgThat bolt handle appears to be at a more reasonable angle, at least to my eye. The angle of the Savage bolt screams skinned and bloody knuckles to me. diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. Yeah it can be clocked in the axis that it currently rotates, but you can't clock it along the axis of the barrel to make it stick out at 3 or 9 o'clock. You can clock it so the dog leg "level" with the gun, but it won't unlock when you pull straight back on it. I suppose you could fully 180º it so it sticks up, might look kinda goofy. Probably not though, because it probably only unlocks when rotated in one direction. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:12:54 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm wondering why the bolt handle wasn't shown mounted level with the barrel/either with a swept-back or swept-forward cant, instead of that goofy "kinda a bolt action, but not really! Gotcha!" orientation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. The action won't unlock if you do that. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:15:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a short 5.56mm/.300blk version using AR mags, as a quiet suppressed brush/varmint/plinking gun Yep. Short action, .223, 16", Predator model. Sold. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:25:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The action won't unlock if you do that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: diiiiid you watch the video? the savage bolt can be rotated AS WELL AS switched sides. The action won't unlock if you do that. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 6:27:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Short action, .223, 16", Predator model. Sold. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want a short 5.56mm/.300blk version using AR mags, as a quiet suppressed brush/varmint/plinking gun Yep. Short action, .223, 16", Predator model. Sold. It'd be basically everything I want a 5.56mm bolt gun to be |
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