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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:52:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll go with Miriam Webster on this one: Relativity: 3a: a theory which is based on the two postulates (1) that the speed of light in a vacuum is constant and independent of the source or observer and (2) that the mathematical forms of the laws of physics are invariant in all inertial systems and which leads to the assertion of the equivalence of mass and energy and of change in mass, dimension, and time with increased velocity called also special relativity, special theory of relativity b: an extension of the theory to include gravitation and related acceleration phenomena called also general relativity, general theory of relativity And that does nothing to argue against the point. Science did not provide it. It was not bestowed upon us on tablets. Man created that model to help predict/explain reality. We can then test that model to see if it works. If it does with accuracy and repeatability you have a scientific theory. Up until that theory can be shown to be inaccurate with repetition it is useful. If that time comes we create a new model to work from. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:55:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that does nothing to argue against the point. Science did not provide it. It was not bestowed upon us on tablets. Man created that model to help predict/explain reality. We can then test that model to see if it works. If it does with accuracy and repeatability you have a scientific theory. Up until that theory can be shown to be inaccurate with repetition it is useful. If that time comes we create a new model to work from. Testability/refutability is what distinguishes a scientific theory from pseudoscience. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 5:57:20 PM EST
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It's clickbait. They didn't expect a particular type of creature there, which means they'll need further study to understand why they're there.
This kind of thing happens all the time, and science adjusts to the new information. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:04:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's with all the nutty religious people popping up lately? What's up with the atheists like you having to spew insults right away? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:05:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another example. You don't call things facts, and then question/prove them. You come up with a theory or hypothesis, and then once proven it becomes fact. If something is still in question, it isn't a fact. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51036/Fact_jpg-1827014.JPG Yes, you do. You question everything in science. That is its purpose. Facts are just answers to our questions with the information we have available to us.              
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:11:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, you do. You question everything in science. That is its purpose. Facts are just answers to our questions with the information we have available to us. Proving me right once again, that thoughts are not facts. They "thought" it was due to stress, but once proven wrong they determined the *fact* of the actual cause.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:12:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Follow the Science!* *Except when it's obvious that the science doesn't have all the answers, and is populated with arrogant assholes that are willing to fake data for grant money or push an agenda. Luckily there are a few true geniuses that actually advance the field. "I find your lack of faith...disturbing." 
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:16:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Threads like this tend to terrify the shit out of some people. Yeah because barnacles and sponges are so scary. Thats got to be it lol |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:17:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh no. Someone quoted a bible verse. I’m triggered. I don't know what worse The tambourine banging thumpers or the snowflake edgelord fedora tipping Atheists. Honestly these days the Jesus people are less annoying. ETA after reading the thread, the fedora tipping atheists are definitely more annoying. Fukin A some high strung fuckers. They make their non religion into and almost zealous religion |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:19:23 PM EST
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If Lewis and Clark had put on lab coats they would be scientists not explorers.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:31:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Testability/refutability is what distinguishes a scientific theory from pseudoscience. But you keep arguing about what science says or what science predicts. Science does not. People do. Science is simply the process in which we work through. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:32:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's smart enough to know that is how he's coming across. He's a troll, leave it at that. As tempting as that is there are plenty here who are just ignorant. Better to call a fool a fool for all to see than to let him go unchallenged to influence the unwitting. Or something to that effect. I don't remember the exact quote. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:35:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Proving me right once again, that thoughts are not facts. They "thought" it was due to stress, but once proven wrong they determined the *fact* of the actual cause. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51036/stomach_ulcers_and_stress_jpg-1827091.JPG No. You said we do not question facts when we do. This is an illustration of that. Everything is always in question. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:36:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you keep arguing about what science says or what science predicts. Science does not. People do. Science is simply the process in which we work through. The so-called science side of the discussion can't stop calling me a troll long enough to have a rational discussion. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 6:58:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The so-called science side of the discussion can't stop calling me a troll long enough to have a rational discussion. Are you guys even discussing the subject of the article anymore? |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:03:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you guys even discussing the subject of the article anymore? So-called science side: we're the rational ones and we'll prove it with name-calling and insults. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:04:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you guys even discussing the subject of the article anymore? He never was. His first post was unrelated and he's been trying to find something to make people argue with him over since. Bad troll account just further derailing what could have been a fun conversation. Fun detail actually on the topic of extreme environments and life, they actually found bacteria life in the gateway to hell. This thing has been burning for that long and bacterial life managed to survive and in a way thrive. Absolutely amazing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/energy/2014/07/140716-door-to-hell-darvaza-crater-george-kourounis-expedition |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:09:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being?  Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread Fair enough. I scroll past the atheist drivel, figured they would scroll past the religious drivel. Apparently they cant. 
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:14:16 PM EST
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Reminds me of the viable seeds found under retreating glaciers. I guess we’ll always have some life here even if we nuke the crap out of ourselves, and it can keep trying again until the sun explodes, and beyond.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:18:56 PM EST
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There is no way the universe just happened out of a big bang. What was here before the universe? What was here before the multiverse? I just don't believe we are here on this rock based purely on science. There Is a man behind the scenes.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:21:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair enough. I scroll past the atheist drivel, figured they would scroll past the religious drivel. Apparently they cant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread Fair enough. I scroll past the atheist drivel, figured they would scroll past the religious drivel. Apparently they cant. Why don’t you make a creationist drivel thread and talk about it there instead of in this barnacle thread? Then people can participate in the discussion that interests them. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:25:22 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know why they’re so surprised. They’ve already found palm trees under the ice. They’ve found caves at the highest peaks with graveyards full of dinosaur bones as if they were trying to escape being slaughtered en masse. It all makes sense if you accept that there was a global flood and Noah.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:27:22 PM EST
[#23]
Mac... get the flamethrower...
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:00:46 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The religious fanaticism here is pretty fucking gross Yep. Besides a certain BOTD poster, all other blocked users are the thumpers.... |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:08:56 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As ice sheets collapse in a warming world, species such as those found on the boulder may prove to be unable to respond to rapid changes. Really?  I’m sitting here in my cold, dark, frozen, ice covered house in South Fuckin’ Texas, thinkin’ ‘You DUMB BITCH’. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:13:56 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure that’s not how that works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: God is an amazing dude! Pretty sure that’s not how that works. The science is settled, your science was wrong yet again. Open your mind to actual scientific possibilities you might find God and science can coexist quite nicely. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:18:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 27,000 hours left, enjoy them while you can It wants to be us!!!!!!!!!! I kill you!!! |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:20:21 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "I find your lack of faith...disturbing." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/30012/57024.JPG There is no way that Jesus would have ever used a scoped M1A. That science has long been settled. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:47:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no way that Jesus would have ever used a scoped M1A. That science has long been settled. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "I find your lack of faith...disturbing." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/30012/57024.JPG There is no way that Jesus would have ever used a scoped M1A. That science has long been settled. That's true. Aquinas debunked that pretty thoroughly in Summa Intermediate Cartridgea |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 8:56:25 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the same thing. All life on earth evolved from more favorable conditions to adapt to more hostile locations. There was never a more favorable condition on Mars or the Moon for life to get started and then adapt. Damn. You're a smart dude. How do you know that for a fact? |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 9:02:40 AM EST
[#31]
I can only imagine submitting a proposal for a grant to.....
[The researchers drilled through the 900-metre-thick Filchner-Ronne ice shelf and dropped a camera down the hole in search of mud on the seabed] |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 11:07:05 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can only imagine submitting a proposal for a grant to..... [The researchers drilled through the 900-metre-thick Filchner-Ronne ice shelf and dropped a camera down the hole in search of mud on the seabed] All you need is some global warming buzzwords and the money will flow. I’m sure this was tied to the endangered antarctic mud bug or some nonsense. |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 11:22:02 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don’t you make a creationist drivel thread and talk about it there instead of in this barnacle thread? Then people can participate in the discussion that interests them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread Fair enough. I scroll past the atheist drivel, figured they would scroll past the religious drivel. Apparently they cant. Why don’t you make a creationist drivel thread and talk about it there instead of in this barnacle thread? Then people can participate in the discussion that interests them. Meh, figured pointing out a factual error in someone that was picking and choosing evidence to support their position, like a flat earther does, would have been appreciated by an intellectually honest person such as as yourself. As for this discovery, pretty cool. What more is there to say? |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 12:28:43 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, figured pointing out a factual error in someone that was picking and choosing evidence to support their position, like a flat earther does, would have been appreciated by an intellectually honest person such as as yourself. As for this discovery, pretty cool. What more is there to say? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread Fair enough. I scroll past the atheist drivel, figured they would scroll past the religious drivel. Apparently they cant. Why don’t you make a creationist drivel thread and talk about it there instead of in this barnacle thread? Then people can participate in the discussion that interests them. Meh, figured pointing out a factual error in someone that was picking and choosing evidence to support their position, like a flat earther does, would have been appreciated by an intellectually honest person such as as yourself. As for this discovery, pretty cool. What more is there to say? Off topic and uninteresting to people who came for ice barnacles (thread title). On topic: I think it’s more interesting that people are surprised there are random weird sea creatures in a random weird spot on the ocean floor than the fact that they are there. I’d be extremely surprised if any part of the ocean floor was found to be sterile. |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 12:38:34 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. You're a smart dude. How do you know that for a fact? Well we know for sure there was never favorable conditions on the moon. We can assume that there was never favorable conditions on Mars seeing that it has no atmosphere to speak of, a very toxic soil and is bombarded by radiation all the time. If we ever go there then maybe we can find out if conditions were favorable enough in times past but right now we don't know jackshit. |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 12:40:07 PM EST
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Water currents: how do they work? The same currents that carry shit across oceans also carries shit along the bottom.
Water even flows underground (this isn't a Talking Heads reference, unless you want it to be)! |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 12:54:01 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure that’s not how that works. Oh boy, now you've done it... |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 1:14:09 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want deep ones? Because this is how you get deep ones. If only.... They would be a cure for a lot of todays issues. |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 3:29:06 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Off topic and uninteresting to people who came for ice barnacles (thread title). On topic: I think it’s more interesting that people are surprised there are random weird sea creatures in a random weird spot on the ocean floor than the fact that they are there. I’d be extremely surprised if any part of the ocean floor was found to be sterile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is why we can't have nice threads anymore. Why's that? Because an atheist is misquoting Voltaire whom had a specific hatred for the Catholic Church, in an attempt to misconstrue Voltaire's words in order to denounce all religion, when Voltaire didn't have an issue with religion in general or the existence of a higher being? Because this thread is about a cool scientific story, but all that's being discussed is religion for some reason For the record I'm a Christian, I just don't see why this debate has to be in this thread Fair enough. I scroll past the atheist drivel, figured they would scroll past the religious drivel. Apparently they cant. Why don’t you make a creationist drivel thread and talk about it there instead of in this barnacle thread? Then people can participate in the discussion that interests them. Meh, figured pointing out a factual error in someone that was picking and choosing evidence to support their position, like a flat earther does, would have been appreciated by an intellectually honest person such as as yourself. As for this discovery, pretty cool. What more is there to say? Off topic and uninteresting to people who came for ice barnacles (thread title). On topic: I think it’s more interesting that people are surprised there are random weird sea creatures in a random weird spot on the ocean floor than the fact that they are there. I’d be extremely surprised if any part of the ocean floor was found to be sterile. Agreed. It's seems that every time we peel back some layer of earth, there is life there. |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 3:44:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well we know for sure there was never favorable conditions on the moon. We can assume that there was never favorable conditions on Mars seeing that it has no atmosphere to speak of, a very toxic soil and is bombarded by radiation all the time. If we ever go there then maybe we can find out if conditions were favorable enough in times past but right now we don't know jackshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn. You're a smart dude. How do you know that for a fact? Well we know for sure there was never favorable conditions on the moon. We can assume that there was never favorable conditions on Mars seeing that it has no atmosphere to speak of, a very toxic soil and is bombarded by radiation all the time. If we ever go there then maybe we can find out if conditions were favorable enough in times past but right now we don't know jackshit. False assumption about Mars. Mars is in the state that it is currently, due to the core cooling as well bombardment leading to the loss of nearly the entire magnetosphere and atmosphere. The Earth would look like a blasted wasteland that never had the potential to harbor life if subjected to the same. There is enough evidence to indicate that Mars had an ample atmosphere, liquid water in oceans, lakes and streams, as well as rainfall and volcanic activity. An environment that is conducive to the potential for life, as those were also the conditions on Earth in the same time period, the Archean(iirc). Whether life sprang up is a different matter. |
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