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Smoked/roasted two spatchcocked chickens and a couple of pounds of pork sausage today on my grandpaw’s old bbq pit. They came out fantastic. I’d like to think he was looking down on me smiling.
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Some of our tasty vittles for this weekend’s Arf party
6 rib Prime Rib Attached File 30lbs of spare ribs Attached File About 40lb piggy Attached File |
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Barbecue, me and you! Stinky pinky, pew, pew, pew!
Limpin’ ain’t easy! |
Barbecue, me and you! Stinky pinky, pew, pew, pew!
Limpin’ ain’t easy! |
Barbecue, me and you! Stinky pinky, pew, pew, pew!
Limpin’ ain’t easy! |
New one for me today. Beef ribs about 4 hours in.
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Perfect day out today. Two chucks all barked up and ready to wrap.
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
In reality, those two hot chicks that you just met that want you to come home with them for "a good time", are merely the bait for the huge guy hiding in the closet wearing a Batman suit. |
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Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Perfect day out today. Two chucks all barked up and ready to wrap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0468_jpg-3187941.JPG ETA: That'll do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0471_jpg-3188764.JPG View Quote @dmnoid77 How long did those chucks take to reach temp & at what temp did you pull them? |
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Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: @dmnoid77 How long did those chucks take to reach temp & at what temp did you pull them? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Perfect day out today. Two chucks all barked up and ready to wrap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0468_jpg-3187941.JPG ETA: That'll do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0471_jpg-3188764.JPG @dmnoid77 How long did those chucks take to reach temp & at what temp did you pull them? I'm learning that my smoker doesn't give me the most reliable temp indicators which is why I'll use the Signals for longer cooks or those where I want to keep a close eye on temps. For this cook I ran it on the "smoke" equivalent setting for at least the first six hours. The grill typically indicates something in the 180-200 range, but the sensor I put in the middle of the grill was showing ~225-250 on average. The middle does cook warmer than the grates on either side. I pull and wrap around 160 and cooked these to 208 as an experiment. Next time I will pull them sooner or maybe reduce temp to hold them around 200 for longer. These came out a little less moist than I think they could have been and one of them wanted to shred more than slice, but that's mostly nitpicking. Both are perfectly edible. This is the graph from the cook. Total time was 10-11 hours, but I probably extended that by an hour or more running them super low to start. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
In reality, those two hot chicks that you just met that want you to come home with them for "a good time", are merely the bait for the huge guy hiding in the closet wearing a Batman suit. |
Originally Posted By dmnoid77: I'm learning that my smoker doesn't give me the most reliable temp indicators which is why I'll use the Signals for longer cooks or those where I want to keep a close eye on temps. For this cook I ran it on the "smoke" equivalent setting for at least the first six hours. The grill typically indicates something in the 180-200 range, but the sensor I put in the middle of the grill was showing ~225-250 on average. The middle does cook warmer than the grates on either side. I pull and wrap around 160 and cooked these to 208 as an experiment. Next time I will pull them sooner or maybe reduce temp to hold them around 200 for longer. These came out a little less moist than I think they could have been and one of them wanted to shred more than slice, but that's mostly nitpicking. Both are perfectly edible. This is the graph from the cook. Total time was 10-11 hours, but I probably extended that by an hour or more running them super low to start. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0472_jpg-3189499.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Perfect day out today. Two chucks all barked up and ready to wrap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0468_jpg-3187941.JPG ETA: That'll do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0471_jpg-3188764.JPG @dmnoid77 How long did those chucks take to reach temp & at what temp did you pull them? I'm learning that my smoker doesn't give me the most reliable temp indicators which is why I'll use the Signals for longer cooks or those where I want to keep a close eye on temps. For this cook I ran it on the "smoke" equivalent setting for at least the first six hours. The grill typically indicates something in the 180-200 range, but the sensor I put in the middle of the grill was showing ~225-250 on average. The middle does cook warmer than the grates on either side. I pull and wrap around 160 and cooked these to 208 as an experiment. Next time I will pull them sooner or maybe reduce temp to hold them around 200 for longer. These came out a little less moist than I think they could have been and one of them wanted to shred more than slice, but that's mostly nitpicking. Both are perfectly edible. This is the graph from the cook. Total time was 10-11 hours, but I probably extended that by an hour or more running them super low to start. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0472_jpg-3189499.JPG Interesting that a beef cut took that long. Other than a brisket, I wouldn’t even think a chuck roast would need 10 hours on the rack. I suppose there is some break down of tissues that needs to happen at the higher temp much like a pork butt. I have family coming over on Friday and thought about doing a smoked chuck but I”lol have to think about something else as I don’t have that kind of time with my stick burner. |
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Originally Posted By CplRick: The line of credit on the Race Card is maxed out, sorry. |
Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Interesting that a beef cut took that long. Other than a brisket, I wouldn’t even think a chuck roast would need 10 hours on the rack. I suppose there is some break down of tissues that needs to happen at the higher temp much like a pork butt. I have family coming over on Friday and thought about doing a smoked chuck but I”lol have to think about something else as I don’t have that kind of time with my stick burner. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Perfect day out today. Two chucks all barked up and ready to wrap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0468_jpg-3187941.JPG ETA: That'll do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0471_jpg-3188764.JPG @dmnoid77 How long did those chucks take to reach temp & at what temp did you pull them? I'm learning that my smoker doesn't give me the most reliable temp indicators which is why I'll use the Signals for longer cooks or those where I want to keep a close eye on temps. For this cook I ran it on the "smoke" equivalent setting for at least the first six hours. The grill typically indicates something in the 180-200 range, but the sensor I put in the middle of the grill was showing ~225-250 on average. The middle does cook warmer than the grates on either side. I pull and wrap around 160 and cooked these to 208 as an experiment. Next time I will pull them sooner or maybe reduce temp to hold them around 200 for longer. These came out a little less moist than I think they could have been and one of them wanted to shred more than slice, but that's mostly nitpicking. Both are perfectly edible. This is the graph from the cook. Total time was 10-11 hours, but I probably extended that by an hour or more running them super low to start. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0472_jpg-3189499.JPG Interesting that a beef cut took that long. Other than a brisket, I wouldn’t even think a chuck roast would need 10 hours on the rack. I suppose there is some break down of tissues that needs to happen at the higher temp much like a pork butt. I have family coming over on Friday and thought about doing a smoked chuck but I”lol have to think about something else as I don’t have that kind of time with my stick burner. For beef, London Broil smokes up pretty nice on short notice since you're only cooking to the 125-130 range unless you're a communist sympathizer. |
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
In reality, those two hot chicks that you just met that want you to come home with them for "a good time", are merely the bait for the huge guy hiding in the closet wearing a Batman suit. |
Originally Posted By dmnoid77: For beef, London Broil smokes up pretty nice on short notice since you're only cooking to the 125-130 range unless you're a communist sympathizer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Perfect day out today. Two chucks all barked up and ready to wrap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0468_jpg-3187941.JPG ETA: That'll do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0471_jpg-3188764.JPG @dmnoid77 How long did those chucks take to reach temp & at what temp did you pull them? I'm learning that my smoker doesn't give me the most reliable temp indicators which is why I'll use the Signals for longer cooks or those where I want to keep a close eye on temps. For this cook I ran it on the "smoke" equivalent setting for at least the first six hours. The grill typically indicates something in the 180-200 range, but the sensor I put in the middle of the grill was showing ~225-250 on average. The middle does cook warmer than the grates on either side. I pull and wrap around 160 and cooked these to 208 as an experiment. Next time I will pull them sooner or maybe reduce temp to hold them around 200 for longer. These came out a little less moist than I think they could have been and one of them wanted to shred more than slice, but that's mostly nitpicking. Both are perfectly edible. This is the graph from the cook. Total time was 10-11 hours, but I probably extended that by an hour or more running them super low to start. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0472_jpg-3189499.JPG Interesting that a beef cut took that long. Other than a brisket, I wouldn’t even think a chuck roast would need 10 hours on the rack. I suppose there is some break down of tissues that needs to happen at the higher temp much like a pork butt. I have family coming over on Friday and thought about doing a smoked chuck but I”lol have to think about something else as I don’t have that kind of time with my stick burner. For beef, London Broil smokes up pretty nice on short notice since you're only cooking to the 125-130 range unless you're a communist sympathizer. We’re getting together for my son’s wedding. I might have 20 peeps over and my much older brother & I are going to decide what to prepare. I’d love to smoke something but don’t have the time to commit to a long smoke so it’s either a couple of beef loins or maybe pork lions. Sushi is another option to have delivered. My tender lions come out fantastic. |
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Originally Posted By dmnoid77: New one for me today. Beef ribs about 4 hours in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0444_jpg-3181195.JPG ETA: Yep. That's a winner. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0445_jpg-3181406.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/151231/IMG_0446_jpg-3181407.JPG View Quote Beef ribs are super underrated. |
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Baby Back Ribs using the 2/1/.5 @ 300° method.
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How do the results line up with that method? The last set I did with a loose-ish 4/2/finish at a lower heat and was pretty happy with the outcome.
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
In reality, those two hot chicks that you just met that want you to come home with them for "a good time", are merely the bait for the huge guy hiding in the closet wearing a Batman suit. |
Originally Posted By dmnoid77: How do the results line up with that method? The last set I did with a loose-ish 4/2/finish at a lower heat and was pretty happy with the outcome. View Quote IMHO the 2/2/1 @ 225 > 225 uncovered = 2/1/.5 @ 300. This method just gets them done quicker. I can sleep in and still have the ribs ready for lunchtime. 2/2/1ish - best results 225 uncovered - good but I constantly have to spritz them while cooking 2/1/.5 - 90% as good as 2/2/1 but finishes much sooner. |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: IMHO the 2/2/1 @ 225 > 225 uncovered = 2/1/.5 @ 300. This method just gets them done quicker. I can sleep in and still have the ribs ready for lunchtime. 2/2/1ish - best results 225 uncovered - good but I constantly have to spritz them while cooking 2/1/.5 - 90% as good as 2/2/1 but finishes much sooner. View Quote Makes sense. I think the last set I did at 200 for 3-4 (or until it hit ~160), wrapped and back on at 250 for about another 2 (or until it broke 200), unwrapped and hit with a bit of sauce until it tacked up. I go by temp and feel more than time, but the times are in the ballpark. |
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
In reality, those two hot chicks that you just met that want you to come home with them for "a good time", are merely the bait for the huge guy hiding in the closet wearing a Batman suit. |
Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Makes sense. I think the last set I did at 200 for 3-4 (or until it hit ~160), wrapped and back on at 250 for about another 2 (or until it broke 200), unwrapped and hit with a bit of sauce until it tacked up. I go by temp and feel more than time, but the times are in the ballpark. View Quote Understand I go by visual inspection - meat pulls back from bone & rack bends. 2/2/1 & uncovered are done when they are done. When I use 2/1/.5 it is almost always spot on for time. Edit: Pic of important component of smoking ribs. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: Understand I go by visual inspection - meat pulls back from bone & rack bends. 2/2/1 & uncovered are done when they are done. When I use 2/1/.5 it is almost always spot on for time. Edit: Pic of important component of smoking ribs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0284_1__JPEG-3193276.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WDEagle: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Makes sense. I think the last set I did at 200 for 3-4 (or until it hit ~160), wrapped and back on at 250 for about another 2 (or until it broke 200), unwrapped and hit with a bit of sauce until it tacked up. I go by temp and feel more than time, but the times are in the ballpark. Understand I go by visual inspection - meat pulls back from bone & rack bends. 2/2/1 & uncovered are done when they are done. When I use 2/1/.5 it is almost always spot on for time. Edit: Pic of important component of smoking ribs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0284_1__JPEG-3193276.JPG Yup. The baby back ribs I get are inconsistent. One time they might be thick, next time not so much. Gotta pass on some of them. 3 hours smoke low and then wrapped at 300°. About 4.5 to 5 hrs start to finish. Faster than butt or brisket fer sure. Doing fajitas today. It is storming and will be raining all day. Muh gas grill saves the day. |
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Barbecue, me and you! Stinky pinky, pew, pew, pew!
Limpin’ ain’t easy! |
This is BBQ bliss right here, this is what every Pitmaster strives for.
Man I wish you folks was here to taste test for me. Attached File |
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Barbecue, me and you! Stinky pinky, pew, pew, pew!
Limpin’ ain’t easy! |
Originally Posted By wolfjflywheel: This is BBQ bliss right here, this is what every Pitmaster strives for. Man I wish you folks was here to taste test for me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384690/IMG_3012_jpeg-3193620.JPG View Quote Your meat is absolutely stunning. I wish beef ribs were easier to find around here. |
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6 1/2 lb of baby backs for the race today.
I seem to have luck with them using the 3-2-1 method at 225. Attached File After pic. They were a hit. They did take an extra hour on the final stage, they were pretty thick for baby backs though. Ran over to Sonny's and picked up a quart of their baked beans and same of their potato salad for sides. Attached File |
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Another rendition of Baby Back Ribs using the 2/1/.5 @ 300° method.
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19lb prime brisket is chugging along. Sunny and 71 degrees out , nice breeze, drinks on ice. Doesn’t get much more relaxing than this
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Smoking a rack of ribs today using this method.
How to Smoke Pork Ribs | Mad Scientist BBQ Threw on a couple of oxtails to try for the first time. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: Smoking a rack of ribs today using this method. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlK-za2JZqg Threw on a couple of oxtails to try for the first time. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0404_JPEG-3218161.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0406_JPEG-3218164.JPG View Quote how'd the ribs turn out? I'm doing ribs on Thursday, might do s&p only on one rack. and will follow this general method as well. |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: Cooked two racks of Baby Back ribs today. I wanted them ready by noon so I cooked then using the 2/1/1 @300 degrees method. 7:30 Light BGE 8:00 Put ribs on BGE 10:00 Pull and wrap ribs with apple juice/apple cider and put back in BGE 11:00 Unwrap ribs and put back in BGE 12:00 Enjoy "pull off the bone" delicious ribs I've tried several different ways and like most of them. Low & slow @ 225 uncovered 2/2/1 @ 225 & 3/1/1 @ 225 <--- I much prefer the latter version. 100 minutes at 350 (aka Turbo Ribs) <-- I did not like this method. 2/1/1 @ 300 <-- This will be my go to method most of the time from now on. I had 5 ribs for lunch and the rest are in the cooler resting. Edit: Extras/leftovers cut and ready for vacuum sealing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0079_1__JPEG-3136871.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0081_JPEG-3137306.JPG View Quote how do you like to reheat your ribs? I often use sous vide to reheat frozen stuff that might otherwise dry out, thinking that might work well for ribs. |
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Originally Posted By DV8EDD: how'd the ribs turn out? I'm doing ribs on Thursday, might do s&p only on one rack. and will follow this general method as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DV8EDD: Originally Posted By WDEagle: Smoking a rack of ribs today using this method. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlK-za2JZqg Threw on a couple of oxtails to try for the first time. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0404_JPEG-3218161.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0406_JPEG-3218164.JPG how'd the ribs turn out? I'm doing ribs on Thursday, might do s&p only on one rack. and will follow this general method as well. Spareribs turned out good. Definitely moist and seemed to have quite a bit of additional smokiness. That being said, I'm not certain that method is really necessary to ensure moist spareribs. I recommend that you give it a try. Lard is cheap being $1.42/16 oz can @ Walmart. Attached File I'm looking forward to trying that method on baby back ribs. The smoked lard should really help keep the lean white meat on the BBs from drying out. |
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Originally Posted By DV8EDD: how do you like to reheat your ribs? I often use sous vide to reheat frozen stuff that might otherwise dry out, thinking that might work well for ribs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DV8EDD: Originally Posted By WDEagle: Cooked two racks of Baby Back ribs today. I wanted them ready by noon so I cooked then using the 2/1/1 @300 degrees method. 7:30 Light BGE 8:00 Put ribs on BGE 10:00 Pull and wrap ribs with apple juice/apple cider and put back in BGE 11:00 Unwrap ribs and put back in BGE 12:00 Enjoy "pull off the bone" delicious ribs I've tried several different ways and like most of them. Low & slow @ 225 uncovered 2/2/1 @ 225 & 3/1/1 @ 225 <--- I much prefer the latter version. 100 minutes at 350 (aka Turbo Ribs) <-- I did not like this method. 2/1/1 @ 300 <-- This will be my go to method most of the time from now on. I had 5 ribs for lunch and the rest are in the cooler resting. Edit: Extras/leftovers cut and ready for vacuum sealing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0079_1__JPEG-3136871.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/IMG_0081_JPEG-3137306.JPG how do you like to reheat your ribs? I often use sous vide to reheat frozen stuff that might otherwise dry out, thinking that might work well for ribs. Sous vide sounds like an excellent way to reheat them. I usually pull the ribs out of the freezer and let them thaw. I then ... - put them on a cookie sheet and broil them @ 400° w/BBQ sauce. This heats up the ribs and caramelizes the BBQ sauce. - wrap them tightly in tin foil and heat in the oven @ 400° with meat side down, no sauce. - slice the corner of the vacuum sealed pouch and microwave, meat side down, until warm. Keep the hole from slicing small and it will keep the bag from bursting but still retain most of the moisture. |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: Spareribs turned out good. Definitely moist and seemed to have quite a bit of additional smokiness. That being said, I'm not certain that method is really necessary to ensure moist spareribs. I recommend that you give it a try. Lard is cheap being $1.42/16 oz can @ Walmart. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/Screenshot_2024-05-21_162034_png-3220134.JPG I'm looking forward to trying that method on baby back ribs. The smoked lard should really help keep the lean white meat on the BBs from drying out. View Quote Thanks, I may do that. day is going to be busy so I might be forced to pivot to using whatever I have on hand (got no lard in the house right now). |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: Sous vide sounds like an excellent way to reheat them. I usually pull the ribs out of the freezer and let them thaw. I then ... - put them on a cookie sheet and broil them @ 400° w/BBQ sauce. This heats up the ribs and caramelizes the BBQ sauce. - wrap them tightly in tin foil and heat in the oven @ 400° with meat side down, no sauce. - slice the corner of the vacuum sealed pouch and microwave, meat side down, until warm. Keep the hole from slicing small and it will keep the bag from bursting but still retain most of the moisture. View Quote gotcha, okay. I've done the foil method before with success. It's how I reheat pulled pork over a fire (good car camping food). Pro tip on the meat side down, good call. Microwave method is interesting, never tried that before! I vacuum seal everything and sous vide is great for reheating certain things, particularly anything that tends to dry out the 2nd time. Pulled pork, lasagna squares, packs of meatballs, sauces, you name it. I'm using it tonight to reheat gumbo. |
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Thinking of trying this recipe for Memorial Day.
Baby Backs on sale at Winn Dixie for 2.49/lb Any tips ? Smoked Spare Ribs (Masterbuilt Electric Smoker) |
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I don't use sugar on my meats so I can't help you out there.
Pork is crazy cheap right now. Butts regularly 99¢/lb. Spareribs $1.69/lb last week at WD. Publix had their spiral sliced ham for 99¢/lb. I've smoked, cooked and ate so much pork, I'm tired of it right now. All except bacon as I never tire of bacon. |
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Originally Posted By WDEagle: I don't use sugar on my meats so I can't help you out there. Pork is crazy cheap right now. Butts regularly 99¢/lb. Spareribs $1.69/lb last week at WD. Publix had their spiral sliced ham for 99¢/lb. I've smoked, cooked and ate so much pork, I'm tired of it right now. All except bacon as I never tire of bacon. View Quote I usually use a sugar based BBQ sauce, so there is that. Thinking of skipping it and using a light glaze though. |
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