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When I was at ERAU in Daytona Beach we used to get these military guys showing up with their government toys.

So one time it was the Navy's day to show how erect they can get, front of the parking lot was roped off and several aircraft types were parked there for touching.

But they left one F14 on the ramp and in the afternoon they would shut DAB airport down and the pilot would put on a
penis erecting 30 minute demonstration show.

I managed to be outside the fence on the ramp that day for run ups. Holy smokes the low attitude maneuvers plus the high speed passes, just fucking wow.
Seeing the vapor trails coming off that aircraft in the hot Florida weather was so cool, and the AB noise etc, etc.

My apartment was right off the beach in a straight line with the main runway. My upstairs neighbor was a retired master Sargent, might have been a WW2 vet but he definitely was a Korean and Vietnam Era vet for sure, had a imported German wife.
He said they both sat outside and watched the show.
RIP Cleo Winger

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They should have kept the Phoenix for the FA18. That missle was very important to fleet defense.

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I understand the F2A Buffalo had more kills than the F-14.

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Everyone I have ever met that worked on the F14 said they were absolute junk.

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Not sure why someone would have their vagina bleed over 5th gen capes. Sort of like seeing your children do better in life than you did.

Personally, I'm in awe of what the Raptor and Lightning can do.

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I understand the F2A Buffalo had more kills than the F-14.

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I dunno, i worked I level AIMD we fixed all of the electronics on the F14 and A6.

From that perspective they were easy to work on and repair.

The CAT5 bench was awesome at the time at running diags, and the EMTC was a basic test bench that could be configured to test anything including your car stereo.

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I dunno, i worked I level AIMD we fixed all of the electronics on the F14 and A6.

From that perspective they were easy to work on and repair.

The CAT5 bench was awesome at the time at running diags, and the EMTC was a basic test bench that could be configured to test anything including your car stereo.

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I understand the F2A Buffalo had more kills than the F-14.

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Figures and I am no expert by any means. Just thought they might have been retained for the long range capability.

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The Finns used the Buffalo to great success against the Russians.

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I can’t believe so many people took you seriously.

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I understand the F2A Buffalo had more kills than the F-14.

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I understand the F2A Buffalo had more kills than the F-14.

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I understand the F2A Buffalo had more kills than the F-14.

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Hell, the dot Indians that wrote the code for 737max MCAS have more kills than the F-14.

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It suffered mightily from being absolutely bleeding edge right at the cusp of a change in how avionics were done.  If it'd started development just a few years later, the stuff that was the backbone of the Eagle might have been integral into it.

Picture Hoser ... recently brought back from retirement by Sec Nav himself after a challenge at the JO forum at Tailhook. When I saw Hoser shortly afterward in the Oceana club in his aviation greens ... he said he just "opened up the closet and IT WAS STILL RIGGED!" (after several years of retirement, the devices were still attached to the shirt! Laundering NOT REQUIRED!)

So Hoser becomes the guns phase leader (again) and is rubbing shoulders with those of us 15 years junior in seniority, about 30 years his junior in experience.

Hoser is schedule for a 2 vs 2 ACM flight against Langley F-15s with a student in his back seat and a student pilot on his wing. Wingman goes down on deck (airplane breaks). Hoser launches alone and unafraid and they check in to the controller as a "flight" of two. Hoser and his RIO proceed to talk back and forth like they're two a/c instead of one.

Fight's on!

Eagles get tally of one at merge (imagine that) and they break their necks looking for the other Tomcat (which is back at the line at VF-101). Hoser –– the master of the slow flight –– maneuvers in for one gun kill, then two.

Knock it off, knock it off!!!

Eagle drivers are pissed when they find out that the "two-ship" they just foght was Hoser and his RIO. All reposition for a second run.  Now it's a KNOWN 1 vs 2 and the Eagle drivers (one major and one ltCol –– were HOT!)

Fight's on!

Picture afterburner spouting F-15s pulling their delta wings off –– and Hoser with the big boys (flaps) working in a "non-landing configuration," cartwheeling  and pivoting across the sky like Mary Lou Retton on steroids. Gun kill #3 ... followed by #4.

Knock it off, knock it off!!! Everyone's out of gas, RTB.

Phone rings in skippers office at VF-101. Lt Col on phone wants to know WHO the heck was in that Tomcat that did things "not possible by the laws of physics?!"  Skipper looks at flight schedule –– sees Hoser, and with a knowing smile, gives the air force officer the number to the phase leader's office to debrief with Hoser himself.  Word filters down to Hoser that this Lt Col was impressed and wants to (a crude expression was used here I won't repeat since this is a family board.)

Ring, ring. Hoser picks up phone and humbly says "lieutenant JG Satrapa SIR!" (making the two air force officers think they'd just got their butts kicked by an F-14 STUDENT PILOT!!)  "Thank you sir, thank you sir" blurts out Hoser while he tries not to bust out laughing –– the rest of us were less successful.

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LOL.... The F18 radar couldn't support it, nor had the range, nor did the F18 have the payload to carry it.

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The radar portion was just software. The other two statements are false. Hornets carried a lot heavier ordnance routinely on and off the ship.

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The radar had to generate the proper PRF's to guide the missiles correctly as guidance for at least the A models was embedded into the radar PRF's. The C used a different DL AFAIK. The APG73 did not have the same range as the AWG-9, so you would be loosing a good amount of the actual capability of the missile there. And yeah fine I'm sure if you hockmered a pylon that could carry a phoenix and cool it depending on the version a hornet technically could haul it off the ship, IDK what the bring back limits are for them though and the phoenix was a heavy ass missile.

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At being big, and sexy, and old

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They aren't that heavy, about 1000 pounds.  Even legacy hornets few routinely with MK-84's which weigh over 2000 pounds.  But yeah, of course there would have to be some avionics changes to carry a missile that used 1960's technology.

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The AIM-54 was a missile designed for bomber sized non- maneuvering aircraft. it was worthless against an aware fighter

I can tell you that in 1985, 4 Tomcats didnt stand a chance against 4 Eagles

something about clubbing baby seals

now F-22 pilots talk like that about the F-15

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Not AFAIK. The 3 shot were during DS1, 2 failed to fire, and the last one was defeated kinematically by a mig25.

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The APG73 did not have the same range as the AWG-9, so you would be loosing a good amount of the actual capability of the missile there. And yeah fine I'm sure if you hockmered a pylon that could carry a phoenix and cool it depending on the version a hornet technically could haul it off the ship, IDK what the bring back limits are for them though and the phoenix was a heavy ass missile.

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[Emphasis added.]  Not a phrase you expect to see very often, LOL.  What, it turned around when tracked, went into burner, and the AIM-54 ran out of ass?  Fast airplane tho'.

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Range was limited. The Tomcat against the Eagle in a BVR environment generally did similiar type F-16 tactics ( before they got amraam ) of a bomb burst hoping to get someone in un-targeted trying to exploit the limitations of single target track.

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Skyraider>F-14>f-35

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Kinematic defeating of a missile is a standard defensive tactic. It just means running the missile out of energy such that it can't actually hit the target.

In the terminal phase of flight, missiles are just coasting as their boosters have long since burned out.

This means that every time the target maneuvers, the missile has to scrub off energy making a flightpath correction to the new intercept course. Since that energy is finite, at some point enough speed is lost that the missile can no longer complete the intercept.

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Right.  I had been thinking of it as the MiG was doing turns that the AIM-54 couldn't follow.  Which, seemed awfully unlikely.

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I believe we did not. But Iran did, and they sorta worked quite fucking well IIRC.

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[Emphasis added.]  Not a phrase you expect to see very often, LOL.  What, it turned around when tracked, went into burner, and the AIM-54 ran out of ass?  Fast airplane tho'.

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the AMRAAM can do what the AIM-54 does and does it better. AIM-120D has a range of 99 miles and a better tech, lighter weight, and is compatible with all of our airframes.

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I thought that the AWG-9 could track 24 targets while shooting 6. Or was that just related to the AIM-54?

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Range was limited. The Tomcat against the Eagle in a BVR environment generally did similiar type F-16 tactics ( before they got amraam ) of a bomb burst hoping to get someone in un-targeted trying to exploit the limitations of single target track.

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I'd put that "99" into some serious airquotes just like the 54's 100 miles or whatever wiki range it has, but yeah point stands its a far better missile in general.

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I'd put that "99" into some serious airquotes just like the 54's 100 miles or whatever wiki range it has, but yeah point stands its a far better missile in general.

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At being big, and sexy, and old

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a Foxbat, which on a good day, per Belenko, could pull +3.5g, outturning a missile shot.