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Posted: 1/5/2024 12:31:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Teamer: Given when they supposedly started developing the 2024 car it could be in the realm of the possible. Or they're trolling Merc/Ferrari/McLaren and AM to see what reaction they get. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By fike:
Given when they supposedly started developing the 2024 car it could be in the realm of the possible. Or they're trolling Merc/Ferrari/McLaren and AM to see what reaction they get. It's the sort of thing you can do when your last car was dominant as fuck. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:16:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: It's the sort of thing you can do when your last car was dominant as fuck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By fike:
Given when they supposedly started developing the 2024 car it could be in the realm of the possible. Or they're trolling Merc/Ferrari/McLaren and AM to see what reaction they get. It's the sort of thing you can do when your last car was dominant as fuck. In theory, it just snowballs. Obviously, there will more than likely be diminishing returns on the development, but everyone else has a giant mountain to climb. You could have given everyone exact copies of the RB19 and they would still have been at a huge disadvantage on just experience on how to use the car (set up, etc). To that same end, if everyone moves in the RB direction for 2024, they still have to learn how to maximize the potential. Maybe someone lands on a better version, but the odds are slim. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:53:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
As a RB fan I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 4:56:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: Which Toto is the best Toto?
Hold what you got. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 6:49:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: As a RB fan I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Originally Posted By fike:
As a RB fan I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Newey gets to fortify his position as one of the greatest F1 car designers even further. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 9:08:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Newey gets to fortify his position as one of the greatest F1 car designers even further. Or it was said to demoralize |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:08:29 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:07:15 AM EST
[#8]
I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know!
Figure I'll post it by February 1st. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:03:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: danpass]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. "Mid-season, dramatic, unnecessary rule change that penalizes only one/two teams" 
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:34:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: "Mid-season, dramatic, unnecessary rule change that penalizes only one/two teams" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: Originally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. "Mid-season, dramatic, unnecessary rule change that penalizes only one/two teams" That's like the free square in bingo. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:53:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: That's like the free square in bingo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: Originally Posted By danpass: Originally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. "Mid-season, dramatic, unnecessary rule change that penalizes only one/two teams" That's like the free square in bingo. LOL |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 1:54:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. "Logan Sargeant is replaced by mid-season. Yes/No" |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:24:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. Ham is a blatant cause of a wreck and before the engines are off, he's crying about how it was the other guy's fault. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:28:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. Every team employs a pull rod front and push rod rear suspension. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 2:59:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Ham is a blatant cause of a wreck and before the engines are off, he's crying about how it was the other guy's fault. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. Ham is a blatant cause of a wreck and before the engines are off, he's crying about how it was the other guy's fault. That should be a "guess how many times it happens", not a "yes/no". |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:12:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: That should be a "guess how many times it happens", not a "yes/no". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By DCV_117: I'm currently working on the 2024 prediction survey, if anyone has any question suggestions let me know! Figure I'll post it by February 1st. Ham is a blatant cause of a wreck and before the engines are off, he's crying about how it was the other guy's fault. That should be a "guess how many times it happens", not a "yes/no".  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 7:42:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Every team employs a pull rod front and push rod rear suspension. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Every team employs a pull rod front and push rod rear suspension. No questions that can be answered before the survey closes Originally Posted By danpass: "Mid-season, dramatic, unnecessary rule change that penalizes only one/two teams" Maybe, I'll see if I can think of a way to determine this. Originally Posted By Cypher214: "Logan Sargeant is replaced by mid-season. Yes/No" There will be something similar. Originally Posted By TarawaS2000: Ham is a blatant cause of a wreck and before the engines are off, he's crying about how it was the other guy's fault. Considering asking a question similar to the Gasly/Ocon crash into eachother, maybe Merc is a good alternative for this season. |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 4:36:58 PM EST
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If you guys have Hulu there is a Keanu Reeves produced documentary on Brawn GP that is really good. Just watched first episode and it has me hooked.
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Posted: 1/8/2024 12:01:26 PM EST
[#19]
This guy's videos are pretty interesting.
This is a breakdown of the 1998 Canadian GP  A Forgotten F1 Classic |
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Posted: 1/9/2024 5:21:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drewptwo: If you guys have Hulu there is a Keanu Reeves produced documentary on Brawn GP that is really good. Just watched first episode and it has me hooked. Does anyone know if there is anywhere else to watch the brawn GP documentary? |
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Posted: 1/9/2024 8:54:43 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Does anyone know if there is anywhere else to watch the brawn GP documentary? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Originally Posted By drewptwo: If you guys have Hulu there is a Keanu Reeves produced documentary on Brawn GP that is really good. Just watched first episode and it has me hooked. Does anyone know if there is anywhere else to watch the brawn GP documentary? Just disney+ if you're in Europe. I know you're not but that's it. You may be able to sail the seas in search of a bay filled with scurvy dogs. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 2:24:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: sgthatred]
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:04:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#23]
Ben Waterhouse said that “the RB20 has been ready for 6 months already”
They are already working on the RB21 I have the feeling it’s going to be a geat year again lol Edit : sorry fike I had missed your post ! |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:29:31 AM EST
[#24]
Rumor is Guenther Steiner is out at Haas...
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:33:05 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m_lowlander: Rumor is Guenther Steiner is out at Haas... I like the guy but he’s hit a wall. The teams hasn’t progressed one bit but has regressed honestly. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:49:04 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m_lowlander: Rumor is Guenther Steiner is out at Haas... I saw a mention of Resta leaving. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:01:13 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CanaryCamaro: I like the guy but he’s hit a wall. The teams hasn’t progressed one bit but has regressed honestly. Unfortunately, this. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:00:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: tifosi]
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I vaguely remember the original form of this video getting posted last year, but not sure about this updated version.
This version includes all the original footage cut in, plus another hour+ of additional footage of these guys absolutely dissecting the MP4/4 at the workshop of Paul Lanzante. I found this while looking for references for the 1/12 MP4/4 model I got a couple months ago, and needless to say, it's an absolute treasure trove of details and information. I would gladly PAY for long form, deep dive videos, like this one, of dozens of other classic race cars I can think of! (Can I request a 512M video please!? )It's Lord of the Rings long, but if you put it on in the background as you're doing other things, it's very fascinating.  McLaren MP4/4 Engineer's Cut: The Ultimate Video Guide to F1's Greatest Car |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:04:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: Freiheit338]
[#29]
Guenther & Resta are out at Haas. It's been ten years already - wow.
 Steiner Leaves Haas F1 - What's Next for the Team? |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:06:33 PM EST
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-guenther-steiner-leaves-haas-team-principal-ayao-komatsu.EoHIsZH1SbRkJMSKJ8h3I.html |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:13:41 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit338: Guenther & Resta are out at Haas. It's been ten years already - wow.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9776lzSfvCMKinda surprised it lasted this long. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:32:51 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Kinda surprised it lasted this long. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By Freiheit338: Guenther & Resta are out at Haas. It's been ten years already - wow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9776lzSfvCMKinda surprised it lasted this long. I figured it was a matter of time before either Guenther or Gene Haas were out of the picture. DTS has shown plenty of clips where Gene was annoyed by Guenther's "oh well, we suck and can't do anything about it" attitude. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:37:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: I figured it was a matter of time before either Guenther or Gene Haas were out of the picture. DTS has shown plenty of clips where Gene was annoyed by Guenther's "oh well, we suck and can't do anything about it" attitude. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By Freiheit338: Guenther & Resta are out at Haas. It's been ten years already - wow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9776lzSfvCMKinda surprised it lasted this long. I figured it was a matter of time before either Guenther or Gene Haas were out of the picture. DTS has shown plenty of clips where Gene was annoyed by Guenther's "oh well, we suck and can't do anything about it" attitude. Yup. His "awe shucks, we're a bunch of wankahs" attitude was crazy to me. I get being upset, as I would be, but he never seemed to have a plan to course correct. Obviously that show doesn't really give the whole story but he never seemed to have a fix. I mean, he really didn't fix anything. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:43:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: DCV_117]
[#34]
I’m not the least bit surprised. They had the 4th fastest car on the grid in 2018 and shit the bed after that. They wrote off the entire 2021 season to focus on the new regs and finished last in the championship in 2023. It’s been a long time coming.
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Posted: 1/10/2024 12:47:03 PM EST
[#35]
In before the Hitler Rant parodies.
"Mein Fuhrer... Steiner..." |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 1:53:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: fike]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Yup. His "awe shucks, we're a bunch of wankahs" attitude was crazy to me. I get being upset, as I would be, but he never seemed to have a plan to course correct. Obviously that show doesn't really give the whole story but he never seemed to have a fix. I mean, he really didn't fix anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By Freiheit338: Guenther & Resta are out at Haas. It's been ten years already - wow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9776lzSfvCMKinda surprised it lasted this long. I figured it was a matter of time before either Guenther or Gene Haas were out of the picture. DTS has shown plenty of clips where Gene was annoyed by Guenther's "oh well, we suck and can't do anything about it" attitude. Yup. His "awe shucks, we're a bunch of wankahs" attitude was crazy to me. I get being upset, as I would be, but he never seemed to have a plan to course correct. Obviously that show doesn't really give the whole story but he never seemed to have a fix. I mean, he really didn't fix anything. The business model of a 3rd party building the car doesn’t work. Maybe that gets a bit better with them now “working closely with Ferrari” at the Haas Maranello design office. Comparing all of the other team structures, they are a bunch of wankers. Gene owns a highly coveted and valued sports franchise that needs fundamental structural changes if they ever want to win. To that end, Gunther might have been a casualty of that argument or a casualty of new money coming in to make that happen. ETA: If I was dropping a couple hundred million for a percentage of Haas with the intentions of modernizing and normalizing production/research/operations, Gunther leaving would be part of the deal. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 2:15:02 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2024 2:28:45 PM EST
[#38]
Mike Krack is now the 3rd longest tenured Team Principal, after Christian Horner and Toto Wolff.
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Posted: 1/10/2024 2:35:38 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: The business model of a 3rd party building the car doesn’t work. Maybe that gets a bit better with them now “working closely with Ferrari” at the Haas Maranello design office. Comparing all of the other team structures, they are a bunch of wankers. Gene owns a highly coveted and valued sports franchise that needs fundamental structural changes if they ever want to win. To that end, Gunther might have been a casualty of that argument or a casualty of new money coming in to make that happen. ETA: If I was dropping a couple hundred million for a percentage of Haas with the intentions of modernizing and normalizing production/research/operations, Guenther leaving would be part of the deal. Well, that answers that question. Can’t blame Guenther.
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Posted: 1/10/2024 2:49:33 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Well, that answers that question. Can’t blame Guenther.
So the old more with less adage? May be talking out my ass here but opportunity for Andretti to swoop in and pick up the pieces from the future crash and burn? |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 2:53:04 PM EST
[#41]
That sucks, but it should have happened at least two years ago.
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Posted: 1/10/2024 3:17:20 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Well, that answers that question. Can’t blame Guenther.
 I get not wanting to through good money after bad, but at some point you have to either pay the price to be competitive or cut your losses. Maybe not... if he's still making a profit by being the worst team on the grid, I guess there must not be much of an incentive to forking out that cash. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 3:21:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: Esterhase]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: https://media.tenor.com/kPUjaQpRwUsAAAAM/well-there-it-is.gif I get not wanting to through good money after bad, but at some point you have to either pay the price to be competitive or cut your losses. Maybe not... if he's still making a profit by being the worst team on the grid, I guess there must not be much of an incentive to forking out that cash. An internal promotion to Team Principal. I'm not optimistic. Haas's model has failed, and if Andretti come in and take it seriously (and there is every sign they will) Haas will be out before long. There are no shortcuts in F1. You have to spend money, and a lot of it. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 3:37:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: An internal promotion to Team Principal. I'm not optimistic. Haas's model has failed, and if Andretti come in and take it seriously (and there is every sign they will) Haas will be out before long. There are no shortcuts in F1. You have to spend money, and a lot of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Originally Posted By TarawaS2000: https://media.tenor.com/kPUjaQpRwUsAAAAM/well-there-it-is.gif I get not wanting to through good money after bad, but at some point you have to either pay the price to be competitive or cut your losses. Maybe not... if he's still making a profit by being the worst team on the grid, I guess there must not be much of an incentive to forking out that cash. An internal promotion to Team Principal. I'm not optimistic. Haas's model has failed, and if Andretti come in and take it seriously (and there is every sign they will) Haas will be out before long. There are no shortcuts in F1. You have to spend money, and a lot of it. Racing-wise 100% but after a quick google search, Haas is profits are north of 10 or 11 mil. Maybe that's good enough for Gene. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:01:02 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m_lowlander: Rumor is Guenther Steiner is out at Haas... Noooo!!!!  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:02:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: willi3d]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: In before the Hitler Rant parodies. "Mein Fuhrer... Steiner..." I don’t think anyone here was thinking that. DTS is going to take a big drop for this season. Put me down for who’s going to be in last place this season. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 6:06:13 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: So the old more with less adage? May be talking out my ass here but opportunity for Andretti to swoop in and pick up the pieces from the future crash and burn? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Originally Posted By fike: Well, that answers that question. Can’t blame Guenther.
So the old more with less adage? May be talking out my ass here but opportunity for Andretti to swoop in and pick up the pieces from the future crash and burn? Haas is a bad buy currently. Even on the worst team, the “franchise” valuation is around $500 million and you wouldn’t be getting much for it. A smallish facility in England and a “design” studio in Maranello. Ferrari would also would need to approve the continuation of relations for both components and the design department. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:06:25 PM EST
[#48]
 Attached FileNoooooooo!!! |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:13:27 PM EST
[#49]
HAAS
You're fired. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:15:17 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: "Logan Sargeant is replaced by mid-season. Yes/No" Depends. He pulls some points, maybe not. Crashes cars, he's out. I was shocked he kept his ride. |
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