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Posted: 1/25/2024 5:51:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kramer Junction at night, is like an Elephant Graveyard of semi-trucks. One of the most surreal things I've ever seen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know this area. Further out from where I posted about going shooting several weeks ago. Remote desert. To me, this has hit all over it about drugs/grow house. The illegal grows area mostly run by Chinese or Mexican Cartel in the area. The dodge van shown is common to shuttle their tenders in and out. This doesn't seem like a methed up desert broody. This has 'sending a message' all over it. Also HOW the deputies were alerted to the area. Sheriff doesn't patrol this area. AND burned bodies. Nationality of the dead will paint a better picture. This is more on the City of Adelanto vs El Mirage. If you ever drove 395 to Kramer Junction, you know there is a SHIT ton of desert to do whatever. Kramer Junction at night, is like an Elephant Graveyard of semi-trucks. One of the most surreal things I've ever seen. Been a long time since I was on that road. But I have maintained that 395 is one of the best drives in America. From Adelanto to Lee Vining is very interesting terrain and history. Took a Olds Delta 88 Convertible on that trip with rotating girlfriends several times. Rocket 455 with a cruise control. You could set it at 100mph and it felt like you were sitting on the living room couch. Took a Colt Commander LW everytime. But I never murdered anyone. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 6:30:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any stories? @RTX Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try Vidal Junction for some weird desert shit at night. Any stories? @RTX Nope, other than to say you can see some strange business meetings in those little desert pullouts at night around Vidal Junction. No doubt there are a lot of multi-million dollar deals and/or mortuary activities that take place in some of those pullouts at night. You just try to unsee that shit, don't slow down, and whatever you do, don't stop at the dusty Junction on those nights. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 6:37:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don't understand how hard it is to dig in the desert, that shit can be like concrete. It takes a hell of a lot longer than half an hour to dig a hole in the desert. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:06:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. 
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:10:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did the satchel of money go? Don’t worry…i got a guy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:11:43 AM EST
[#6]
Six problems solved
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:14:29 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:    Ambush at the desert cross roads. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:17:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hwy. 395 is one of my favorite stretches of road. Deserts, forests, mtns., lakes, rivers. And lots of empty spaces. Were you ever on 395 where it exits I-15, near Apple Valley? That area used to be just flat empty desert. For many miles north of there, it has been built up with tract homes, mini-malls, fast food, etc. It's unbelievable the development in the last 10 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Time marches on... I was momentarily shocked to realize I'd made the trip through there 15 years ago. I can't see ever going there again, but the Eastern Sierra is "Beer Commercial Pretty," for those of you who've never been. Decent products at the smokehouse in Bishop, too. In addition to trout fishing, etc... I do miss California. Hwy. 395 is one of my favorite stretches of road. Deserts, forests, mtns., lakes, rivers. And lots of empty spaces. Were you ever on 395 where it exits I-15, near Apple Valley? That area used to be just flat empty desert. For many miles north of there, it has been built up with tract homes, mini-malls, fast food, etc. It's unbelievable the development in the last 10 years. I call that area through Adelanto the High Desert Hood. Same with Hesperia, Victorville and Barstow. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:36:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, other than to say you can see some strange business meetings in those little desert pullouts at night around Vidal Junction. No doubt there are a lot of multi-million dollar deals and/or mortuary activities that take place in some of those pullouts at night. You just try to unsee that shit, don't slow down, and whatever you do, don't stop at the dusty Junction on those nights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Try Vidal Junction for some weird desert shit at night. Any stories? @RTX Nope, other than to say you can see some strange business meetings in those little desert pullouts at night around Vidal Junction. No doubt there are a lot of multi-million dollar deals and/or mortuary activities that take place in some of those pullouts at night. You just try to unsee that shit, don't slow down, and whatever you do, don't stop at the dusty Junction on those nights. I travel that route a lot over to Kingman and back. Desert Center/Vidal Junction/Needles. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:39:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I travel that route a lot over to Kingman and back. Desert Center/Vidal Junction/Needles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Try Vidal Junction for some weird desert shit at night. Any stories? @RTX Nope, other than to say you can see some strange business meetings in those little desert pullouts at night around Vidal Junction. No doubt there are a lot of multi-million dollar deals and/or mortuary activities that take place in some of those pullouts at night. You just try to unsee that shit, don't slow down, and whatever you do, don't stop at the dusty Junction on those nights. I travel that route a lot over to Kingman and back. Desert Center/Vidal Junction/Needles. Tell us you're in the meth business without telling us you're in the meth business. 
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:41:21 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Caliche. One chemical away from concrete. It takes a hell of a lot longer than half an hour to dig a hole in the desert.  |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:42:52 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell us you're in the meth business without telling us you're in the meth business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Try Vidal Junction for some weird desert shit at night. Any stories? @RTX Nope, other than to say you can see some strange business meetings in those little desert pullouts at night around Vidal Junction. No doubt there are a lot of multi-million dollar deals and/or mortuary activities that take place in some of those pullouts at night. You just try to unsee that shit, don't slow down, and whatever you do, don't stop at the dusty Junction on those nights. I travel that route a lot over to Kingman and back. Desert Center/Vidal Junction/Needles. Tell us you're in the meth business without telling us you're in the meth business. 
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:56:52 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a body was dragged https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2024-01-24_at_22-03-27_6_dead-3106699.JPG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QdTIppd0s8You can see a foot in the backseat https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2024-01-24_at_23-08-25_Mass_m-3106709.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAOhNa-Twqw |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 9:24:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Years ago....I worked for GA-ASI and would do R&D projects at the facility in Adelanto. 2002-2006. ASI had bought the Grey Buttle airport nearby and made it into a kinda secret test facility, and they also improved El Mirage to be used as an alternative test facility. On slow days/nothing scheduled....I would ride for miles on dirt roads and down dry washes with my DRZ 400 enduro. It was all dirt from Adelanto/El Mirage up to north Edwards.....the area east of Edwards base was a treasure trove of cool old history from testing at Edwards. Even back then....the high desert was full of weird and disturbing shit. Hermits in shacks, meth cooks, desert pack rats, and every imaginable type of weirdo with an old trailer, a one-eyed 3 legged dog, and a plot of desert land. It changed for the worse when the growers showed about 10-11 years ago. If you check out google maps/earth....you will see literally hundreds of properties with grow houses, some newer....some abandoned. Some of the large commercial buildings have also been turned into grow operations. But what happened out there this week is definitely some cartel sending a message type of shit. . They even added a 1/2 hour video to Hunter’s Ed. classes in CA warning of the dangers of hunting in Humboldt County. The cartels control grow operations in Humboldt so hunters have to be careful of booby traps, illegal pesticides, mountains of trash, and armed guards when hunting in the Redwoods. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 9:27:41 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird shit happens in the desert. Always go armed. Everywhere. QFMFT. Everywhere, all day, all night. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 10:48:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It changed for the worse when the growers showed about 10-11 years ago. If you check out google maps/earth....you will see literally hundreds of properties with grow houses, some newer....some abandoned. Some of the large commercial buildings have also been turned into grow operations. But what happened out there this week is definitely some cartel sending a message type of shit. . Quote HistoryQuoted: It changed for the worse when the growers showed about 10-11 years ago. If you check out google maps/earth....you will see literally hundreds of properties with grow houses, some newer....some abandoned. Some of the large commercial buildings have also been turned into grow operations. But what happened out there this week is definitely some cartel sending a message type of shit. .  Quoted: Quoted: Weird shit happens in the desert. Always go armed. Everywhere. QFMFT. Everywhere, all day, all night. Not for nothin', but I do that in a relatively safe urban area. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 12:31:53 PM EST
[#17]
Surprised it doesn't happen more often this side of the border
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Posted: 1/25/2024 12:33:25 PM EST
[#18]
Any updates on this story.
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Posted: 1/25/2024 12:51:38 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any updates on this story. 3 of the dead worked at the legal grow op, which is next to the not so legit grow and sales warehouse. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:07:47 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surprised it doesn't happen more often this side of the border Making noise is bad for business. For now. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:14:17 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I started desert racing there in late 70s & through 80s. Road out to Lucerne Valley had one gas station and one restaurant with a dirt parking lot near the 15. Then a few scattered ramshackle house. That was it. Now, as you said, the whole area is 100% developed. Wall-to-wall houses and strip malls in every direction. Around 1980, I had a chance to buy 30 acres for $10K. But I couldn't raise the $10k.  I used to dream of retiring to the desert. Not so much any more.Red Mountain, Johannesburg, and Randsburg haven't changed much, though.  Spent a day there last spring.Randsburg is a rockin' place. These pics are from recently. They know how to party.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:32:12 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did the satchel of money go? Ultimó hombré |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:33:56 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've spent a total of years on BLM desert land. I have sometimes wondered how many bodies I have walked over lying in shallow graves. A shallow grave is the sign of a shoddy work ethic. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:35:18 PM EST
[#24]
Cartels, they are here.
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:39:29 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 of the dead worked at the legal grow op, which is next to the not so legit grow and sales warehouse. Word on the street is 3 killed were targeted and 3 collaterals. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 2:13:15 PM EST
[#26]
... this is a land of wolves now.
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Posted: 1/25/2024 4:11:52 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... this is a land of wolves now. A proper man is 87X more dangerous than any wolf. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 4:36:27 PM EST
[#28]
I find it interesting that all six bodies where shot in the back of the head and than someone tried to burn the bodies.
All victims are hispanic, and the location is near an area rife with multiple marijuana plantations. Sinaloa cartel operates in that area. This was a sicario hit, to send message to someone or someones. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 4:45:08 PM EST
[#29]
Mexican Drug cartels carrying out executions on American soil...welcome to Bidenville.
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Posted: 1/25/2024 4:54:50 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mexican Drug cartels carrying out executions on American soil...welcome to Bidenville. "Cleanup on Aisle 9" Oh well. I was told by GD libertarians that legalizing weed would eliminate the organized crime angle and bring about a more peaceful world. I feel like I was lied to. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 5:02:14 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Caliche. One chemical away from concrete. It takes a hell of a lot longer than half an hour to dig a hole in the desert. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most people don't understand how hard it is to dig in the desert, that shit can be like concrete. It takes a hell of a lot longer than half an hour to dig a hole in the desert. Thats what washes are for |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 5:07:30 PM EST
[#32]
I thought that was where he got the pistol... Nice shoppin spot if'n he got the pistol AND the cash at the gettin place! Convenient.
ETA I clearly haven't ciphered out the quote/reply paradigm yet 
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:16:19 PM EST
[#33]
 Expert: Mojave Desert slayings likely gang or cartel-related |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:29:28 PM EST
[#34]
Class 3 guys - do full autos create that symmetrical brass pattern?
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:30:52 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Class 3 guys - do full autos create that symmetrical brass pattern? When you are moving, brass moves too. Whether semi or full. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:40:10 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I travel that route a lot over to Kingman and back. Desert Center/Vidal Junction/Needles. Doesn't a member here have a store in Kingman? I've been meaning to stop in when im in the area but my timing is never right. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:40:16 PM EST
[#37]
Sounds like a cartel
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:41:40 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you are moving, brass moves too. Whether semi or full. Did you even look at the brass patterns on p.1? |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:48:40 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird shit happens in the desert. Always go armed. Everywhere. This When in the desert, always carry at least a full auto M4, because reasons... If available 308 belt fed full auto just to be sure, because reasons... |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:43:15 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mexican Drug cartels carrying out executions on American soil...welcome to Bidenville. Could be gang bangers too. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:47:58 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't a member here have a store in Kingman? I've been meaning to stop in when im in the area but my timing is never right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I travel that route a lot over to Kingman and back. Desert Center/Vidal Junction/Needles. Doesn't a member here have a store in Kingman? I've been meaning to stop in when im in the area but my timing is never right. Yes, @nvgeologist has the ATF Convenience Store and MOA targets. It's East of Kingman on I-40 Exit 66 where the Petro is. I think he's only open on the weekend though. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:59:00 PM EST
[#42]
All those casings, you think multiple rifles or were they unarmed and the perps had time to reload their California compliant rifles? They had California compliant rifles right????
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Posted: 1/26/2024 4:09:36 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Randsburg is a rockin' place. These pics are from recently. They know how to party. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481098/IMG_20231214_093441815_HDR_-_Copysm_jpg-3107021.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481098/IMG_20231214_094655754_HDR_-_Copysm_jpg-3107022.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481098/IMG_20231214_095032716_HDRsm_jpg-3107024.JPG    |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 4:21:01 AM EST
[#44]
I just hope no detachable mags in excess of 10 rounds were used. That would be tragic.
On a positive note that area looks like it has some great coyote calling. Shotgun country! 
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Posted: 1/26/2024 8:52:54 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of rounds to shoot 6 people, unless an automatic weapon was used. Maybe? Oh no, California banned everything that could cause this. Oh wait nevermind. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:48:37 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People kill people over everything, drugs just bring out more assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "It's just weed, man! No one gets violent over weeeeed!" People kill people over everything, drugs just bring out more assholes. Love or money, most of the time. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:49:52 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least in the desert you can see who's coming for miles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Deserts are some weird places . I can feel fine remote in the woods but remote in the desert creeps me out I can't really rationally explain it  At least in the desert you can see who's coming for miles. And there’s nowhere to hide. Can’t climb or hide behind a tree or blend in as well in the desert. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:54:01 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cartels, they are here. They've been here. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:55:33 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I call that area through Adelanto the High Desert Hood. Same with Hesperia, Victorville and Barstow. Had to drive that portion last year for a work trip. I called it “Methico”. Super sketchy area. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 11:00:24 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be gang bangers too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mexican Drug cartels carrying out executions on American soil...welcome to Bidenville. Could be gang bangers too. Which are most likely controlled by the cartels. |
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