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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:01:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: $10B is a hell of a return on investment for less than 20 years of ownership. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By RikWriter: Wish he would have sold it. His heart is in the right place, but he doesn't know shit about how to run an NFL team. That's $11B for all three things, not just the Dolphins. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: VIA USA Today: Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross turned down a $10B offer to buy out the Miami Dolphins, Hard Rock Stadium and Formula One Miami Grand Prix. He discussed a deal with billionaire Ken Griffin, but the two sides could not finalize a deal. Ross wants to keep control of the three entities in his family, the report states. The Dolphins are valued at $5.7 billion, the 11th highest in the league. The stadium, as well as the Formula One race, adds to the value. The 83-year-old purchased 50% of the Dolphins franchise, as well as the stadium and surrounding land, back in 2008 for $550 million. In 2009, he purchased another 45%, with a total investment of $1 billion. I see stuff like and it makes me wonder what the Cowboys actual value would be if they were sold. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: It depends on what you mean by “need.” It’s not needed like how heat is needed, but if its so hot in the school that they are having to send the students home, then, yeah, I think there is a general need. My guess it has more to do with the teachers than the students. Survived 12 years of school in southern OH without AC. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:36:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: David_ESM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: I see stuff like and it makes me wonder what the Cowboys actual value would be if they were sold. Commanders sold for $6.05B when they were previously evaluated at $5.6B (refreshed +33% after the Denver sale), a ~10% markup. The newest Cowboys evaluation, refreshed after the 2023 season and Commanders sale, is at $9.0B. So one would believe that the starting offer for the Cowboys would have to be in the 11 digits. Edit: Pat Bowlen is the real loser here. His own team sale allowed the market price on all teams to explode right afterwords. If the Walton family was to resell the Broncos right now, they could probably turn a profit after just 2 years of ownership. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:42:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akcaribouhunter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM:
 Lot of his yards game after the game was out of hand. But they might resign him to a bigger contract. 
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:42:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: One of the best examples of the absurdity of the NFL’s fining system is the end of the 2021 Cowboys/Patriots game. Dak hits Lamb for the walk off TD in OT. Then, after Lamb scored, Jalen Mills (who got burnt on the play) shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down. Lamb got up, smiled, and waved to Mills. The NFL fined Lamb for waiving at Mills. The NFL didn’t so much as give Mills a warning for shoving Lamb in the back.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngfQwW6WaIQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By Alembic: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Good for them. Logo I could understand, but color scheme?  Yeah the NFL are the biggests uniform Nazis but they seem to have relaxed stuff like sock length and jerseys untucked and individula player's cleat colors.... They'll just fine them. One of the best examples of the absurdity of the NFL’s fining system is the end of the 2021 Cowboys/Patriots game. Dak hits Lamb for the walk off TD in OT. Then, after Lamb scored, Jalen Mills (who got burnt on the play) shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down. Lamb got up, smiled, and waved to Mills. The NFL fined Lamb for waiving at Mills. The NFL didn’t so much as give Mills a warning for shoving Lamb in the back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngfQwW6WaIA. He’s a Cowboy, so the NFL goes after him harder than a player for any other team. B. See A. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: POST DRAFT SUPER BOWL LIX ODDS: (Edit, these look like Fan Duel odds but are close to DK and MGM as well) San Francisco 49ers: +550 (bet $10 to win $65 total) Kansas City Chiefs: +600 (bet $10 to win $70 total) Baltimore Ravens: +950 (bet $10 to win $105 total) Cincinnati Bengals: +1300 (bet $10 to win $140 total) Detroit Lions: +1300 (bet $10 to win $140 total) Buffalo Bills: +1300 (bet $10 to win $140 total) Philadelphia Eagles: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total) Dallas Cowboys: +1500 (bet $10 to win $160 total) Houston Texans: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total)  Green Bay Packers: +1900 (bet $10 to win $200 total) Miami Dolphins: +2300 (bet $10 to win $240 total) Atlanta Falcons: +2400 (bet $10 to win $250 total) New York Jets: +2700 (bet $10 to win $280 total) Los Angeles Rams: +3200 (bet $10 to win $330 total) Cleveland Browns: +4000 (bet $10 to win $410 total) Chicago Bears: +4000 (bet $10 to win $410 total) Jacksonville Jaguars: +4500 (bet $10 to win $460 total) Los Angeles Chargers: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total) Pittsburgh Steelers: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: +5500 (bet $10 to win $560 total) Indianapolis Colts: +5500 (bet $10 to win $560 total) Seattle Seahawks: +7500 (bet $10 to win $760 total) New Orleans Saints: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total) Las Vegas Raiders: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total) Minnesota Vikings: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total) Arizona Cardinals: +10000 (bet $10 to win $1,010 total) New York Giants: +10000 (bet $10 to win $1,010 total) Tennessee Titans: +13000 (bet $10 to win $1,310 total) Washington Commanders: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total) Denver Broncos: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total) New England Patriots: +18000 (bet $10 to win $1,810 total) Carolina Panthers: +30000 (bet $10 to win $3,010 total) How in the world does Chicago now have better odds than the Steelers? lol Also Texan's bandwagon is getting a little out of control. Look who the steelers play 6 times vs the bears.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:49:45 PM EDT
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And your friendly reminder that the total amount for all first-round draft picks is already established and historically all guaranteed. The only negotiation is about some of the structuring. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Good Lot of his yards game after the game was out of hand. But they might resign him to a bigger contract. I thought you were done with the Steelers? |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:30:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alembic]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Look who the steelers play 6 times vs the bears. They do play the Lions twice, who have magically moved up to the 2nd favorite in the NFC to win the SB, so theoretically, the have four tough games in their division, if GB plays like the end of last season. JJ McCarthy is already on ORotY talk. I have nothing against the Bears just a strong desire for Caleb Williams to be a bust, lol. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:33:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Look who the steelers play 6 times vs the bears. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Alembic: POST DRAFT SUPER BOWL LIX ODDS: (Edit, these look like Fan Duel odds but are close to DK and MGM as well) San Francisco 49ers: +550 (bet $10 to win $65 total) Kansas City Chiefs: +600 (bet $10 to win $70 total) Baltimore Ravens: +950 (bet $10 to win $105 total) Cincinnati Bengals: +1300 (bet $10 to win $140 total) Detroit Lions: +1300 (bet $10 to win $140 total) Buffalo Bills: +1300 (bet $10 to win $140 total) Philadelphia Eagles: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total) Dallas Cowboys: +1500 (bet $10 to win $160 total) Houston Texans: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total) Green Bay Packers: +1900 (bet $10 to win $200 total) Miami Dolphins: +2300 (bet $10 to win $240 total) Atlanta Falcons: +2400 (bet $10 to win $250 total) New York Jets: +2700 (bet $10 to win $280 total) Los Angeles Rams: +3200 (bet $10 to win $330 total) Cleveland Browns: +4000 (bet $10 to win $410 total) Chicago Bears: +4000 (bet $10 to win $410 total) Jacksonville Jaguars: +4500 (bet $10 to win $460 total) Los Angeles Chargers: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total) Pittsburgh Steelers: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: +5500 (bet $10 to win $560 total) Indianapolis Colts: +5500 (bet $10 to win $560 total) Seattle Seahawks: +7500 (bet $10 to win $760 total) New Orleans Saints: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total) Las Vegas Raiders: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total) Minnesota Vikings: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total) Arizona Cardinals: +10000 (bet $10 to win $1,010 total) New York Giants: +10000 (bet $10 to win $1,010 total) Tennessee Titans: +13000 (bet $10 to win $1,310 total) Washington Commanders: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total) Denver Broncos: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total) New England Patriots: +18000 (bet $10 to win $1,810 total) Carolina Panthers: +30000 (bet $10 to win $3,010 total) How in the world does Chicago now have better odds than the Steelers? lol Also Texan's bandwagon is getting a little out of control. Look who the steelers play 6 times vs the bears. I'm not sure I'd consider the NFC North from the perspective of the Bears to be any easier than the AFC North from the perspective of the Steelers. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:41:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: One of the best examples of the absurdity of the NFL’s fining system is the end of the 2021 Cowboys/Patriots game. Dak hits Lamb for the walk off TD in OT. Then, after Lamb scored, Jalen Mills (who got burnt on the play) shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down. Lamb got up, smiled, and waved to Mills. The NFL fined Lamb for waiving at Mills. The NFL didn’t so much as give Mills a warning for shoving Lamb in the back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngfQwW6WaILamb was taunting, albeit just waving to the DB like "bye,bye just burned your ass"  I wouldn't have called it or cared but the league had to get it on with a fine since the game was over at that point. That clip was worth the watch...but makes me wonder why Mac Jones fell off so bad, he looked awesome. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:50:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: That clip was worth the watch...but makes me wonder why Mac Jones fell off so bad, he looked awesome. In 2022 Bill went to the bullshit 3 headed defensive/special teams coaching unit running the offense. Which we all said was dumb. Bill, Patricia and Judge running the entire offense...  Not to mention the continued shit drafting and poor free agency moves on offense. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: NFL.com's James Palmer is reporting that the Chiefs are expecting Rashee Rice to be suspended for at least half of the 2024 season. 
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By colklink: Originally Posted By David_ESM: Top aides to Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker met with Bears officials on Wednesday, and afterward the governor's office released a statement saying it does not support the Bears' proposal. "As the Governor has said, the current proposal is a non-starter for the state," press secretary Alex Gough said in a statement after the meeting. "In order to subsidize a brand new stadium for a privately owned sports team, the Governor would need to see a demonstrable and tangible benefit to the taxpayers of Illinois. The Governor's office remains open to conversations with the Bears, lawmakers, and other stakeholders with the understanding that responsible fiscal stewardship of tax-payer dollars remains the foremost priority." So the Bears have to bump up the percentage of the kickback? https://y.yarn.co/27def089-90c0-45d0-a7ca-4515112dc04a_text.gif  Saw a video yesterday on Facebook on one of the Cowboy fan pages. It's was a 5 minute compiled loop of Aikman having a meltdown over stupid shit team mates did, and had to be talking into not fighting Barry Switzer at one point  Just wish I knew how to post a Facebook video, it was hilarious. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Still had Josh McDaniels running the offense. Say what you want about McDaniels as a HC, but he has always received glowing reviews as a QB Coach/OC. In 2022 Bill went to the bullshit 3 headed defensive/special teams coaching unit running the offense. Which we all said was dumb. Bill, Patricia and Judge running the entire offense... Not to mention the continued shit drafting and poor free agency moves on offense. Yes! Under a different HC, he would totally be worth bringing in as an OC. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Saw a video yesterday on Facebook on one of the Cowboy fan pages. It's was a 5 minute compiled loop of Aikman having a meltdown over stupid shit team mates did, and had to be talking into not fighting Barry Switzer at one point Just wish I knew how to post a Facebook video, it was hilarious. I wouldn't mess with Aikman, the guy has hands and face like he's half a damn gorilla.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM:
The dude has barely played the last two years. We'll see what he does this year but his 5th year option is over 12 million. Not worth gambling that much money on him. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:10:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Lamb was taunting, albeit just waving to the DB like "bye,bye just burned your ass" I wouldn't have called it or cared but the league had to get it on with a fine since the game was over at that point. That clip was worth the watch...but makes me wonder why Mac Jones fell off so bad, he looked awesome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: One of the best examples of the absurdity of the NFL’s fining system is the end of the 2021 Cowboys/Patriots game. Dak hits Lamb for the walk off TD in OT. Then, after Lamb scored, Jalen Mills (who got burnt on the play) shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down. Lamb got up, smiled, and waved to Mills. The NFL fined Lamb for waiving at Mills. The NFL didn’t so much as give Mills a warning for shoving Lamb in the back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngfQwW6WaILamb was taunting, albeit just waving to the DB like "bye,bye just burned your ass" I wouldn't have called it or cared but the league had to get it on with a fine since the game was over at that point. That clip was worth the watch...but makes me wonder why Mac Jones fell off so bad, he looked awesome. I get that, but my point was that after Lamb scored the walk-off, Mills shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down, Lamb responded by waiving at him, and the NFL hit Lamb with a fine for waiving and didn’t give Mills so much as a warning for the shove. The way the NFL handles punishment is clown shoes. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:13:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: A. He’s a Cowboy, so the NFL goes after him harder than a player for any other team. B. See A. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By Alembic: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Good for them. Logo I could understand, but color scheme? Yeah the NFL are the biggests uniform Nazis but they seem to have relaxed stuff like sock length and jerseys untucked and individula player's cleat colors.... They'll just fine them. One of the best examples of the absurdity of the NFL’s fining system is the end of the 2021 Cowboys/Patriots game. Dak hits Lamb for the walk off TD in OT. Then, after Lamb scored, Jalen Mills (who got burnt on the play) shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down. Lamb got up, smiled, and waved to Mills. The NFL fined Lamb for waiving at Mills. The NFL didn’t so much as give Mills a warning for shoving Lamb in the back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngfQwW6WaIA. He’s a Cowboy, so the NFL goes after him harder than a player for any other team. B. See A. Taking everything into account, Zeke’s suspension remains the most egregious railroading Goodell’s NFL has ever done. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RikWriter: That's $11B for all three things, not just the Dolphins. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RikWriter: Originally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By RikWriter: Wish he would have sold it. His heart is in the right place, but he doesn't know shit about how to run an NFL team. That's $11B for all three things, not just the Dolphins. 
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: I get that, but my point was that after Lamb scored the walk-off, Mills shoved Lamb in the back knocking him down, Lamb responded by waiving at him, and the NFL hit Lamb with a fine for waiving and didn’t give Mills so much as a warning for the shove. The way the NFL handles punishment is clown shoes. Very little of how the League does things surprises me. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:58:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:05:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hunter-Killer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM:
It still cracks me up how Claypool was yelling at his teammate for this.  Chase Claypool Celebrates First Down During Potential Game-Tying 2-Minute Drive, Upsets Trai Turner |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:13:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM:
I'm curious about the process here. Getting Curtis Samuel in FA was a good enough start, but after that, I'm not sure I see the vision. They went into the draft with a good number of picks, and ended up making 10 selections. Despite this being a pretty deep WR class, they only took one. They traded down twice in the first round taking the 8th WR off the board instead of the 5th. After the draft, they go out and sign Quintez Cephus and a WR that a bunch of people believe is cursed. That also begs the question, why eject Diggs if you're going to sign a guy like Claypool? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:27:48 AM EDT
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lol
[JackNicholson]"Here's Rickey!"[/JackNicholson]
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:36:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: lol [JackNicholson]"Here's Rickey!"[/JackNicholson]
Htf are people paid millions of dollars to make good decisions this bad at making decisions? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:38:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM:
 Attached FileGet good vibes and energy with a guy like Coleman, and then bring this fucking douche bag in? WTF?! |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:14:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I'm curious about the process here. Getting Curtis Samuel in FA was a good enough start, but after that, I'm not sure I see the vision. They went into the draft with a good number of picks, and ended up making 10 selections. Despite this being a pretty deep WR class, they only took one. They traded down twice in the first round taking the 8th WR off the board instead of the 5th. After the draft, they go out and sign Quintez Cephus and a WR that a bunch of people believe is cursed. That also begs the question, why eject Diggs if you're going to sign a guy like Claypool? WR 5-10 in the draft were a clump by consensus. Bills wanted the guy who ended up 8th and got a little extra on the way, Good job. Could've spent a 6 or 7 on a 2nd wr but meh, wr 5/6 isn't going to be a problem. Cephus is a zero risk camp body. Even if he's not clearly WR1 Coleman mans the X for years barring total disaster. Samuel and Shakir may both get higher volume than Coleman. Hollins pencils in at WR5/6 for ST and depth That's 4 roster wrs and they've shown a strong tendency to keep 5wr or 5+KR They took a 7th round tiny cb who's supposed to be an excellent pr/kr and gunner Kincaid and Knox are too good to just share 1 TE spot. Then questions who may only have to add up to 1 roster spot. They basically red-shirted Shorter who was a 5th last year. Maybe redundant to Hollins? Isabella looks like an acceptable nfl wr 5/6 maybe kr and st and gadget guy Hamler has 2nd round talent, terrible injury history. Could even end up starting slot. 2 udfas from camp last year that they PSed all year and reportedly consider potential players. So even pre-claypool maybe lacking a star wr1 but actually crowded at wr2-5 and te1/2 I expect Claypool will be on a short leash and I hope they didn't pay a whole lot. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:22:45 PM EDT
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Speaking of the Dolphins: is anyone else kind of surprised the Dolphins don’t catch more heat for being the ONLY NFL team to not win a playoff game this century?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/steve-buscemi-fuck-all-that-970.gif Get good vibes and energy with a guy like Coleman, and then bring this fucking douche bag in? WTF?!  Gots to maintain a high turd ratio. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:28:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Speaking of the Dolphins: is anyone else kind of surprised the Dolphins don't catch more heat for being the ONLY NFL team to not win a playoff game this century? This year Tua is on his 5th year option, you're paying Tyreek a fortune, Waddle is entering the 4th year of his rookie deal, you have Achane and Mostert double teaming in the back field... It's time to get shit done or deal with the consequences. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:43:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Speaking of the Dolphins: is anyone else kind of surprised the Dolphins don’t catch more heat for being the ONLY NFL team to not win a playoff game this century? Youre going to make ludder make another account and mjohn day drink to defend this
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Nope. Two decades of getting beaten by Brady gives them a little leeway. But that leeway is quickly going away. This year Tua is on his 5th year option, you're paying Tyreek a fortune, Waddle is entering the 4th year of his rookie deal, you have Achane and Mostert double teaming in the back field... It's time to get shit done or deal with the consequences. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Speaking of the Dolphins: is anyone else kind of surprised the Dolphins don't catch more heat for being the ONLY NFL team to not win a playoff game this century? This year Tua is on his 5th year option, you're paying Tyreek a fortune, Waddle is entering the 4th year of his rookie deal, you have Achane and Mostert double teaming in the back field... It's time to get shit done or deal with the consequences. I don’t consider that much of an excuse considering none of the Dolphins’ 5 playoff appearances this century saw them play the Patriots. Also, with the exception of the 34-31 loss to the Bills, ALL of the Dolphins 21st century playoff games have been 17+ point losses. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:06:05 PM EDT
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Awful Announcing reporting that they have learned that one program that is likely out is NFL Total Access as a majority of that show's staff were part of the layoffs. The shows extensive alumni include Scott Hanson, Adam Schefter, Charles Davis, Warren Sapp, Steve Smith, and many more former players. The show's current lineup consists of Mike Yam, Kimmi Chex, David Carr, Michael Robinson, and Chase Daniels. Overall, the network appears to be moving away from original programming with a greater emphasis on reruns, game replays and archived content. From the NFL, "Like any successful organization, the NFL regularly evaluates its workforce to ensure the proper support of strategic priorities including international expansion, the growth of flag football, and the evolution of digital and media platforms. We have made the difficult decision to part ways with some employees to allow us to further invest in these growth areas and ensure the continued strength of our game and the business.” |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: WR 5-10 in the draft were a clump by consensus. Bills wanted the guy who ended up 8th and got a little extra on the way, Good job. Could've spent a 6 or 7 on a 2nd wr but meh, wr 5/6 isn't going to be a problem. Cephus is a zero risk camp body. Even if he's not clearly WR1 Coleman mans the X for years barring total disaster. Samuel and Shakir may both get higher volume than Coleman. Hollins pencils in at WR5/6 for ST and depth That's 4 roster wrs and they've shown a strong tendency to keep 5wr or 5+KR They took a 7th round tiny cb who's supposed to be an excellent pr/kr and gunner Kincaid and Knox are too good to just share 1 TE spot. Then questions who may only have to add up to 1 roster spot. They basically red-shirted Shorter who was a 5th last year. Maybe redundant to Hollins? Isabella looks like an acceptable nfl wr 5/6 maybe kr and st and gadget guy Hamler has 2nd round talent, terrible injury history. Could even end up starting slot. 2 udfas from camp last year that they PSed all year and reportedly consider potential players. So even pre-claypool maybe lacking a star wr1 but actually crowded at wr2-5 and te1/2 I expect Claypool will be on a short leash and I hope they didn't pay a whole lot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I'm curious about the process here. Getting Curtis Samuel in FA was a good enough start, but after that, I'm not sure I see the vision. They went into the draft with a good number of picks, and ended up making 10 selections. Despite this being a pretty deep WR class, they only took one. They traded down twice in the first round taking the 8th WR off the board instead of the 5th. After the draft, they go out and sign Quintez Cephus and a WR that a bunch of people believe is cursed. That also begs the question, why eject Diggs if you're going to sign a guy like Claypool? WR 5-10 in the draft were a clump by consensus. Bills wanted the guy who ended up 8th and got a little extra on the way, Good job. Could've spent a 6 or 7 on a 2nd wr but meh, wr 5/6 isn't going to be a problem. Cephus is a zero risk camp body. Even if he's not clearly WR1 Coleman mans the X for years barring total disaster. Samuel and Shakir may both get higher volume than Coleman. Hollins pencils in at WR5/6 for ST and depth That's 4 roster wrs and they've shown a strong tendency to keep 5wr or 5+KR They took a 7th round tiny cb who's supposed to be an excellent pr/kr and gunner Kincaid and Knox are too good to just share 1 TE spot. Then questions who may only have to add up to 1 roster spot. They basically red-shirted Shorter who was a 5th last year. Maybe redundant to Hollins? Isabella looks like an acceptable nfl wr 5/6 maybe kr and st and gadget guy Hamler has 2nd round talent, terrible injury history. Could even end up starting slot. 2 udfas from camp last year that they PSed all year and reportedly consider potential players. So even pre-claypool maybe lacking a star wr1 but actually crowded at wr2-5 and te1/2 I expect Claypool will be on a short leash and I hope they didn't pay a whole lot. In a vacuum, I can buy the idea that Coleman was the best scheme fit for Buffalo, and that he was a good pick. A good number of respected draft nerds were saying that during the draft. I find it much harder buy into the idea of building your offense around a 2nd round pick and a trio of guys that finished in the 600 yard range last year, especially after trading away a 1,200 yard receiver. There's upside in this room, but it's an extremely risky strategy. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:33:57 PM EDT
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I didn't realize Claypool was huge.
After being small for years, all the sudden the Bills WR room is Land of the Giants especially if they roster Hollins AND Shorter On 4th and goal from the 5 we could send out 4 6-3 and solid receivers plus kincaid/knox. Plus Josh:) |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: I didn't realize Claypool was huge. After being small for years, all the sudden the Bills WR room is Land of the Giants especially if they roster Hollins AND Shorter On 4th and goal from the 5 we could send out 4 6-3 and solid receivers plus kincaid/knox. Plus Josh:) Or do the smart thing for 95%+ of 4th and goal from the 5 plays and kick the FG. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: I didn't realize Claypool was huge. After being small for years, all the sudden the Bills WR room is Land of the Giants especially if they roster Hollins AND Shorter On 4th and goal from the 5 we could send out 4 6-3 and solid receivers plus kincaid/knox. Plus Josh:) 
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: I didn't realize Claypool was huge. After being small for years, all the sudden the Bills WR room is Land of the Giants especially if they roster Hollins AND Shorter On 4th and goal from the 5 we could send out 4 6-3 and solid receivers plus kincaid/knox. Plus Josh:) Bit of a headcase. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 2:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: In a vacuum, I can buy the idea that Coleman was the best scheme fit for Buffalo, and that he was a good pick. A good number of respected draft nerds were saying that during the draft. I find it much harder buy into the idea of building your offense around a 2nd round pick and a trio of guys that finished in the 600 yard range last year, especially after trading away a 1,200 yard receiver. There's upside in this room, but it's an extremely risky strategy. Dumping Diggs makes the team worse this year period, I hate it. But accepting that as done I don't fear what they've got at wr much. To some degree not having diggs automatically pushes the other receivers production up. For me the big risk is Josh. Can he operate without that always open 10+ catch a game guy. I love his upside but finding the open target out of 5 ok receivers is NOT his strength. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 2:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Or do the smart thing for 95%+ of 4th and goal from the 5 plays and kick the FG. Ok, 4th goal at the 5 down by 4 late.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 3:05:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2024 3:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: Dumping Diggs makes the team worse this year period, I hate it. But accepting that as done I don't fear what they've got at wr much. To some degree not having diggs automatically pushes the other receivers production up. For me the big risk is Josh. Can he operate without that always open 10+ catch a game guy. I love his upside but finding the open target out of 5 ok receivers is NOT his strength yet FIFY. Plus, the guys he doe have now have great hand: Shakir, Coleman, Kincaid, Samuel. Know has pulled off some nice catches as well. If Cook can tighten up, watch out. Johnson did really good second half of last year, and the Ray Davis is supposed to have great hands as well. And imagine this...you know how their D rotates the line so much? What if they do that with the WRs? The opponents would have to plan for all kinds of WR styles. No WR1? OK, theyre all WR1 on any given play. And the sub in and out constantly. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 3:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM:
If they can fix him (kinda like Diggs) that’s a good signing. But they probably can’t. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 3:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: FIFY. Plus, the guys he doe have now have great hand: Shakir, Coleman, Kincaid, Samuel. Know has pulled off some nice catches as well. If Cook can tighten up, watch out. Johnson did really good second half of last year, and the Ray Davis is supposed to have great hands as well. And imagine this...you know how their D rotates the line so much? What if they do that with the WRs? The opponents would have to plan for all kinds of WR styles. No WR1? OK, theyre all WR1 on any given play. And the sub in and out constantly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Originally Posted By kzin: Dumping Diggs makes the team worse this year period, I hate it. But accepting that as done I don't fear what they've got at wr much. To some degree not having diggs automatically pushes the other receivers production up. For me the big risk is Josh. Can he operate without that always open 10+ catch a game guy. I love his upside but finding the open target out of 5 ok receivers is NOT his strength yet FIFY. Plus, the guys he doe have now have great hand: Shakir, Coleman, Kincaid, Samuel. Know has pulled off some nice catches as well. If Cook can tighten up, watch out. Johnson did really good second half of last year, and the Ray Davis is supposed to have great hands as well. And imagine this...you know how their D rotates the line so much? What if they do that with the WRs? The opponents would have to plan for all kinds of WR styles. No WR1? OK, theyre all WR1 on any given play. And the sub in and out constantly. The Chiefs tried that for the first 10+ weeks of the season last year, and it was a cluster f. For a good stretch of the season, there were no WRs getting a 70%+ snap share, and 4+ WRs getting a ~40%+ snap share. It looked and felt like they were desperately throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. Once they threw Rashee Rice into the fire and got him up to speed (faster than any rookie ever in Andy Reid's offense), then settled on MVS and Justin Watson as WRs 2-3, things stabilized. It still wasn't awesome given the talent limitations of those players, but it was good enough. Receivers and QBs need reps to build familiarity, chemistry, and timing. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 3:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: He has the skills but does not have the work ethics. Bit of a headcase. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By kzin: I didn't realize Claypool was huge. After being small for years, all the sudden the Bills WR room is Land of the Giants especially if they roster Hollins AND Shorter On 4th and goal from the 5 we could send out 4 6-3 and solid receivers plus kincaid/knox. Plus Josh:) Bit of a headcase. He also seems to be one of those “it’s never my fault” players. |
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