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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:15:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Man oh man, am I glad I live in a Free State where an official ‘permission slip’ isn’t needed to exercise an explicit constitutional right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: This judge needs your class on Virginia thinking. He will get it if he doesn't send me my permit. Man oh man, am I glad I live in a Free State where an official ‘permission slip’ isn’t needed to exercise an explicit constitutional right. That you refuse to display. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Man oh man, am I glad I live in a Free State where an official ‘permission slip’ isn’t needed to exercise an explicit constitutional right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: This judge needs your class on Virginia thinking. He will get it if he doesn't send me my permit. Man oh man, am I glad I live in a Free State where an official ‘permission slip’ isn’t needed to exercise an explicit constitutional right. A state you’re so proud of that you won’t list it? 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: They are ore tenus hearings. This is not the first time I have gotten a lawyer. The last time was in the early 2000s when they liked to drag it out, I got a lawyer on the 91st day and the judge signed my permit in court. They have 90 days? I don't have it. You're getting lawyered, government. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: I volunteer as juror They are ore tenus hearings. This is not the first time I have gotten a lawyer. The last time was in the early 2000s when they liked to drag it out, I got a lawyer on the 91st day and the judge signed my permit in court. They have 90 days? I don't have it. You're getting lawyered, government. Thing is, they have lawyers that you pay for, in addition to the lawyer you have that you pay for. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:20:47 PM EDT
[#4]
If it comes to it Whiskers, I will personally auction off a PMag, personally autographed by me, personally, with all proceeds from said auction to go to your legal fund. Because that's the kind of guy I am.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:23:51 PM EDT
[#5]
Get'em Whiskers
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:25:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Need4Guns]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Please move to Maryland. Newsflash, you're already there. I'm tucked away a couple hundred of miles away in a rural gun friendly county. And if the communism seeps down this way I'll most certainly...  Attached FileBut you do you boo. Continue to write ferocious letters. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotJackMiller: Thing is, they have lawyers that you pay for, in addition to the lawyer you have that you pay for. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotJackMiller: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: I volunteer as juror They are ore tenus hearings. This is not the first time I have gotten a lawyer. The last time was in the early 2000s when they liked to drag it out, I got a lawyer on the 91st day and the judge signed my permit in court. They have 90 days? I don't have it. You're getting lawyered, government. Thing is, they have lawyers that you pay for, in addition to the lawyer you have that you pay for. There are three aspects in play here. 1.) Virginia Constitution. 2.) The Virginia law about concealed carry licenses. 3.) The fact the Judge either intentionally or unintentionally made a mistake. I'm right. Period. Virginia law is on my side, period. My response was more direct for a reason, and that reason is that the judge is not following the law. Everything in life sucks money out of your bank account. That's what living life does. But the county is not going to violate the laws I already disagree with. If you don't challenge things, if you don't say "This isn't legally or morally right." Then it will keep happening. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:29:55 PM EDT
[#8]
I have to laugh at those saying just do what they want.
How about "FUCK NO!"? If our forefathers had acquiesced, and just did what their rulers wanted, where would we be? So I say good on you, OP. Fight the good fight, even if it seem unwinnable. Fight to the last man. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:37:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BloodRaven: I have to laugh at those saying just do what they want. How about "FUCK NO!"? If our forefathers had acquiesced, and just did what their rulers wanted, where would we be? So I say good on you, OP. Fight the good fight, even if it seem unwinnable. Fight to the last man. The really interesting part about those posts is... I'm right. I'm legally right. I'm 100% right. There's even a letter from the Attorney General saying I'm right. This is really really low hanging fruit. I'm not in Washington state trying to overturn SBS laws, which would require a bunch of effort because they're actual laws on the books. The judge violated the law. The law is super easy to read. It is blatantly obvious. You cannot allow blatant violations of the law when it's clearly codified. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:37:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BloodRaven: I have to laugh at those saying just do what they want. How about "FUCK NO!"? If our forefathers had acquiesced, and just did what their rulers wanted, where would we be? So I say good on you, OP. Fight the good fight, even if it seem unwinnable. Fight to the last man. Our forefathers would've been taking up arms quite a while back, given the state of things. But you keep putting that pen to paper. I'm sure that'll make a difference. Since there's no way to really "come together" in this day and age, becoming ungovernable is all one can do. And as a free man (as free as one is nowadays) I'm good with that. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:38:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ibn_Huq: Was your old permit expired and does any lapse reset the approval process? https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter7/section18.2-308.02/ "B. The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun in person and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence, nor shall any proof of demonstrated competence expire" If you've had a Virginia CHP at any time no matter if it's expired then it should be good to use as "proof of competence" and shouldn't affect the approval process at all. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:41:16 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The day we lose is the day we stop trying to fight. As mentioned multiple times, I could submit qualifying documents that I have. I refuse to. It's illegal what he did and I will not stand by and let it happen. I guess I didn’t make it clear that I understand the situation clearly now and I am totally with you all the way through. Thanks again for standing up. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:43:23 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: Our forefathers would've been taking up arms quite a while back, given the state of things. But you keep putting that pen to paper. I'm sure that'll make a difference. Since there's no way to really "come together" in this day and age, becoming ungovernable is all one can do. And as a free man (as free as one is nowadays) I'm good with that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: Originally Posted By BloodRaven: I have to laugh at those saying just do what they want. How about "FUCK NO!"? If our forefathers had acquiesced, and just did what their rulers wanted, where would we be? So I say good on you, OP. Fight the good fight, even if it seem unwinnable. Fight to the last man. Our forefathers would've been taking up arms quite a while back, given the state of things. But you keep putting that pen to paper. I'm sure that'll make a difference. Since there's no way to really "come together" in this day and age, becoming ungovernable is all one can do. And as a free man (as free as one is nowadays) I'm good with that. I wish to live under a society with a defined legal code. I am within that legal code. The judge was wrong. I intend to not abide by him being wrong. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sixpointfivejap: https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter7/section18.2-308.02/ "B. The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun in person and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence, nor shall any proof of demonstrated competence expire" If you've had a Virginia CHP at any time no matter if it's expired then it should be good to use as "proof of competence" and shouldn't affect the approval process at all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sixpointfivejap: Originally Posted By Ibn_Huq: Was your old permit expired and does any lapse reset the approval process? https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter7/section18.2-308.02/ "B. The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun in person and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence, nor shall any proof of demonstrated competence expire" If you've had a Virginia CHP at any time no matter if it's expired then it should be good to use as "proof of competence" and shouldn't affect the approval process at all. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:46:27 PM EDT
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I originally got my carry permit from Fairfax county back around 2007 or so. I was originally from Maryland and used the pistol permit card as training proof Maryland made you get to buy a pistol. The one where you watch a 15 minute video and an MD trooper signs. Fairfax had the carry permit to me in exactly 45 days because after that you were automatically approved unless you heard otherwise.
Now I live in Warren county and they get the permits back to you in less than 2 weeks. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:49:19 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: I've got five on it. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:50:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Odd. I renewed in FFX last month. No issues.
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USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:50:55 PM EDT
[#18]
As a former resident, fuck FFX county gov’t right in the bussy.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:51:19 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Contact VCDL. Let’s go in dry. This. Giggity goo, mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Odd. I renewed in FFX last month. No issues. They probably are just paper pushing. But they're not going to get away with paper pushing. They are going to renew my license, without any documentation or we will go to court. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:55:28 PM EDT
[#21]
Walking the walk. I expected no less, and you've certainly delivered.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:02:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: The whole point of the exercise is to drag this out and aggravate you into making comments that can be construed as threats. I'd have a hard time not writing "Cease this faggotry at once." |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:02:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: Newsflash, you're already there. I'm tucked away a couple hundred of miles away in a rural gun friendly county. And if the communism seeps down this way I'll most certainly... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/524356/1000001037_jpg-3185339.JPG But you do you boo. Continue to write ferocious letters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Please move to Maryland. Newsflash, you're already there. I'm tucked away a couple hundred of miles away in a rural gun friendly county. And if the communism seeps down this way I'll most certainly... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/524356/1000001037_jpg-3185339.JPG But you do you boo. Continue to write ferocious letters. The founding fathers wrote an absolute shit ton of letters, ferocious and otherwise. It is an integral component to the fight against tyranny. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:03:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: They probably are just paper pushing. But they're not going to get away with paper pushing. They are going to renew my license, without any documentation or we will go to court. Well, if it goes to court, send DK and me the date. I'll buy drinks at his fancy English pub after we Fight the Power. 
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:03:42 PM EDT
[#25]
In for inevitable results, go get 'em!
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:06:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Keep us updated. If you go to court, I will show up and cheer!  |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:07:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Legal things are already in motion and VCDLs lawyers have been involved.
I have been advised not to send the letter until we have a strategy, and I will comply. Gentlemen, we will win. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:07:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Concealed carry permits are issued by county instead of by the commonwealth in Virginia? Yes, but in accordance with state law, and that law does not give a county much flexibility. It also puts them on a 45 day clock. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:12:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Fuck ‘em, sue anyway
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:14:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Because fuck em, that's why.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:16:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: QFT! I'm glad I moved from Ffx Co. for the last time. @backbencher What asshole county in TX resembles Ffx Co., VA the most? If y'all have one that does, nuke it. You'll be better off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: Originally Posted By backbencher: Godspeed. QFT! I'm glad I moved from Ffx Co. for the last time. @backbencher What asshole county in TX resembles Ffx Co., VA the most? If y'all have one that does, nuke it. You'll be better off. We've already built a bypass around it before we build the wall. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:22:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I have had a concealed weapon license for a very long time. Today I received this letter for my renewal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20240411_191517-3185220.jpg This is my response. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20240411_194020-3185222.jpg If they don't issue it I'm going to court. Ha, I just had Oblon for a hearing the other day. FFX Cir. Ct. is super backwards. It's probably my least favorite of all. I still remember when they had the extra legal triplicate copy requirement for CCWs in Fairfax. Keep up the good fight, OP! |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:22:33 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Legal things are already in motion and VCDLs lawyers have been involved. I have been advised not to send the letter until we have a strategy, and I will comply. Gentlemen, we will win.  |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:23:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: We've already built a bypass around it before we build the wall. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Originally Posted By backbencher: Godspeed. QFT! I'm glad I moved from Ffx Co. for the last time. @backbencher What asshole county in TX resembles Ffx Co., VA the most? If y'all have one that does, nuke it. You'll be better off. We've already built a bypass around it before we build the wall. Virginians will continue the fight. Concentric circles of responsibility. I'm going to win, we're going to win. What was done was illegal. It cannot go unchallenged. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:25:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davewvu86: Ha, I just had Oblon for a hearing the other day. FFX Cir. Ct. is super backwards. It's probably my least favorite of all. I still remember when they had the extra legal triplicate copy requirement for CCWs in Fairfax. Keep up the good fight, OP! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davewvu86: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I have had a concealed weapon license for a very long time. Today I received this letter for my renewal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20240411_191517-3185220.jpg This is my response. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20240411_194020-3185222.jpg If they don't issue it I'm going to court. Ha, I just had Oblon for a hearing the other day. FFX Cir. Ct. is super backwards. It's probably my least favorite of all. I still remember when they had the extra legal triplicate copy requirement for CCWs in Fairfax. Keep up the good fight, OP! Thank you brother. We're going to win. And I'm not sending them any documents to exercise a right I have from God, which is codified in law. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:32:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Legal things are already in motion and VCDLs lawyers have been involved. I have been advised not to send the letter until we have a strategy, and I will comply. Gentlemen, we will win. Damnit, I loved the letter 
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:34:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: Then there’s Culpeper where it’s signed and back in my hands before the ink has dried. Yes. Culpeper. Where the Biden administration just came up with a bullshit indictment against the sitting Sheriff...who marched against gun control in the VCDL protest in uniform...and got a new corrupt piece of shit from the city department who is on a Brady list in multiple jurisdictions. A new corrupt piece of shit who has stood down their SWAT team, illegally raised his own pay, and hired on people who were fired for pilfering funds. Do not believe it's not coming for you, my friend. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:34:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Legal things are already in motion and VCDLs lawyers have been involved. I have been advised not to send the letter until we have a strategy, and I will comply. Gentlemen, we will win. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:36:45 PM EDT
[#39]
Jam it up their asses and please share the order when you get it.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:37:09 PM EDT
[#40]
That's crazy. I get a letter from our sheriff's office 6 months before my permit expires reminding me to come in and get my renewal. Takes 10 minutes and I leave with a new permit.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:38:48 PM EDT
[#41]
It is sad to see Virginia like that. My Great Great Great Grandfather's brother died fighting the Yankees in Virginia.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:38:59 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Well, if it goes to court, send DK and me the date. I'll buy drinks at his fancy English pub after we Fight the Power. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: They probably are just paper pushing. But they're not going to get away with paper pushing. They are going to renew my license, without any documentation or we will go to court. Well, if it goes to court, send DK and me the date. I'll buy drinks at his fancy English pub after we Fight the Power. We will all smoke cigars in my library after WTC wins in court!
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:41:03 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Concealed carry permits are issued by county instead of by the commonwealth in Virginia? Ohio permits are issued by the county as well. The county sheriff is in charge of the system - keeps it local and allows better control (sheriff is an elected position) of who issues them, rather than a faceless bureaucrat. However, we have constitutional carry in Ohio now, so permits are nearly moot. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:43:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: It is sad to see Virginia like that. My Great Great Great Grandfather's brother died fighting the Yankees in Virginia. (Paraphrased) It's Virginia, lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:44:14 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: I would have just stated #6 without twisting the knife, that form will probably get “lost.” Sometimes it is better to be polite and professional to get what you want, even if “they” are wrong. Bullshit. If they are wrong they are wrong. I have had some friends give up the fight and leave the state. I will stay in my home and fight as well. I stood on the hill in '20 as well. Let me know if you need a donation, it may not be much but I donate what I can. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:47:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Registered mail. Lawyer(s). I may get a Constitutional lawyer as well as a regular lawyer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By dogsplat: Haha. They are about to not receive your letter. Letter? What letter? Fucking bureaucrats. Registered mail. Lawyer(s). I may get a Constitutional lawyer as well as a regular lawyer. Barack Hussein Obama, Esquire? |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:47:56 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: We will all smoke cigars in my library after WTC wins in court! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: They probably are just paper pushing. But they're not going to get away with paper pushing. They are going to renew my license, without any documentation or we will go to court. Well, if it goes to court, send DK and me the date. I'll buy drinks at his fancy English pub after we Fight the Power. We will all smoke cigars in my library after WTC wins in court! Brother, yes. I work with retail. Everyone says "it's about the principle" but really they mean money. I legit do not care about money and only principle. If I can defeat this trash and be 10k in debt I legit don't care. They're wrong morally. They're wrong legally. I'm right. I do not care. There will be no fundraiser. The only thing that will happen is the government being forced to apply the law. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:49:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Yes. Culpeper. Where the Biden administration just came up with a bullshit indictment against the sitting Sheriff...who marched against gun control in the VCDL protest in uniform...and got a new corrupt piece of shit from the city department who is on a Brady list in multiple jurisdictions. A new corrupt piece of shit who has stood down their SWAT team, illegally raised his own pay, and hired on people who were fired for pilfering funds. Do not believe it's not coming for you, my friend. It would be terrible if the new sheriff had an accident coming home from the bar one night. Just horrifying. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:50:41 PM EDT
[#49]
If you pass a text and say it's law, and you believe people should follow it, you have to actually follow the meaning of that text, and punish those who seek to subvert the meaning of that text when they do so intentionally and with knowledge that they are.
This is why I find the abuse of stare decesis (sp) repugnant. It destroys the very concept of law when you get out of the very narrow boundares where stare is proper. When the government refuses to follow the rules it says it's following, it's active undermining itself. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:51:08 PM EDT
[#50]
The entire point of government is to enforce the law.
That's it. As humans, we've come up with a system of laws. The entire point is that the government enforces these laws. The government is trying to deny me what is codified by law. Nope. |
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