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Posted: 4/23/2024 12:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: I personally had an out of spec Tortort and know builders who have to reject some of their receivers in customer builds. YMMV, but US made products are highly hit or miss when it comes to AKs and foreign rifle patterns. Companies that could put out a consistent quality product like 74ullc are the exception not the norm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By Sgt_Fury: Originally Posted By Apec: US made Galil receivers mostly suck anyways, they tend to be out of spec and maybe only good for use as a host for a reweld to a surplus front/rear stub. The tortort receivers are gtg. I just this fall finished a galil SAR build on one and everything fits and functions like it should. The only thing you have to do is fit the bullet guide correctly and headspace the bolt. The bolt fitting is the only difficult part of the build. I ran the bolt by hand for an hour or so using valve lapping compound on the bolt lugs and a tad on the rails and it was finished. That thing runs slicker than owl shit now. If you have a press and can make rivet setting tools for the mag catch and bullet guide you can do a galil fairly easily. Parts condition can sometimes be problematic but if you are mechanically inclined you should be able to sort it out. Here is my Galil I built: https://i.postimg.cc/NG4D7sRr/20231015-104758.jpg I personally had an out of spec Tortort and know builders who have to reject some of their receivers in customer builds. YMMV, but US made products are highly hit or miss when it comes to AKs and foreign rifle patterns. Companies that could put out a consistent quality product like 74ullc are the exception not the norm. 74u LLC is pretty far from "putting out" a consistent quality product. The receivers are great and I'm lucky I got a few before things went south, but that dude is robbing Peter to pay Paul with some folks waiting YEARS without ever getting the receiver(s) they paid for. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 12:33:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: I need more AK advice on FFL vs non FFL receivers… Decide what AKs you want to have built and then get Recreator receivers. Cloners will find issues with all US made receivers, but they'll make a functioning rifle. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:04:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavymetal762: If you haven't owned a FAL for the past 10 years, you probably can't afford one now. Haha fair point |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:49:05 PM EDT
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Bought a PSA KS-47 lower for $199
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Not a bad idea Are you an AK guy? Any suggestions? Receivers that may be easier to buy parts/kits for in the future? @scott_s I’ve built several AKs, from both flats and commercial receivers and using screws and later rivets. I parkerized one that my late father-in-law and I built for him as a Father’s Day gift. I wouldn’t say that necessarily makes me an “AK” guy. We’re well past the heyday of not just AK parts kits but FAL and other milsurp parts kits. Fifteen or twenty years ago I bought AMD-65 kits for $75. I just did a quick google search and the only AMD-65 kit I saw in stock was at Whatacountry for $650. For that amount of money I’m buying AR parts and receivers. AK kits no longer make economic sense. But if you have deep pockets then don’t let me dissuade you. There certainly is satisfaction from building your own. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 1:59:34 PM EDT
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The issue I’m having with AK receivers is I don’t know the way to answer these questions so that in 1-10 yrs from now, I don’t fuck myself.
Plus the unknown of what parts kits are available IE if I pick everything Russian or Bulgarian or whatever, the unknown of what I can obtain or get machined/Jimmy rigged to fit I’m at a standstill. Anyone have helpful ideas?  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Mim out of my depth and teetering on just buying a $700 PSA AK… |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:00:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Move to a free state Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: I'm assuming we're getting an AWB here in CO. Presume I have enough AR lowers or could figure out 80%s so let's leave those out I'm slightly confused on FFL vs Non-FFL AK receivers. Right when PSA kills it with Krink stuff too. I'd love one. Chinese type appeal to me I just bought an Uzi receiver, that's a PCC I've not yet snagged over the years I want a (original style) Galil receiver but Atlantic wants $499  FAL? Any roller lock stuff I can snag for later? Tell me how to maximize my options Move to a free state Eventually there will be no free states to move to. Stand and fight by running for local government. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott_S: I’ve built several AKs, from both flats and commercial receivers and using screws and later rivets. I parkerized one that my late father-in-law and I built for him as a Father’s Day gift. I wouldn’t say that necessarily makes me an “AK” guy. We’re well past the heyday of not just AK parts kits but FAL and other milsurp parts kits. Fifteen or twenty years ago I bought AMD-65 kits for $75. I just did a quick google search and the only AMD-65 kit I saw in stock was at Whatacountry for $650. For that amount of money I’m buying AR parts and receivers. AK kits no longer make economic sense. But if you have deep pockets then don’t let me dissuade you. There certainly is satisfaction from building your own. No deep pockets Shallow pockets lol Please see my post above too Am I better served with another factory gun like a $700 PSA? @scott_s Currently have a m85 5.56 SBR and wasr64 SBR. No 16” 762x39 which would be my ultimate goal here… |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:15:21 PM EDT
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OP, I did something similar before moving to Californiastan. I'd recommend buying anything that needs a background check now while you can as someone else mentioned other states have to abide by your state laws (that means get as many receivers as you can now). If CO bans parts like IL did there is a way around that too (PM me if interested). Fortunately I didn't need the workaround as CA hasn't banned parts (yet) but someday it might.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:44:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Bought a PSA KS-47 lower for $199 Nice. I love mine. Getting ~2" groups from rando Wolf steel cased 123gr FMJ and an ACOG. The AR action really is that much better than the AKs. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:47:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: The issue I’m having with AK receivers is I don’t know the way to answer these questions so that in 1-10 yrs from now, I don’t fuck myself. Plus the unknown of what parts kits are available IE if I pick everything Russian or Bulgarian or whatever, the unknown of what I can obtain or get machined/Jimmy rigged to fit I’m at a standstill. Anyone have helpful ideas? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184182/IMG_7515_png-3195966.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184182/IMG_7517_png-3195970.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184182/IMG_7516_png-3195968.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/184182/IMG_7518_png-3195967.JPG Mim out of my depth and teetering on just buying a $700 PSA AK… I'd default to a fixed rear trunnion or a 4.5mm side folder, Russian markings, and no trigger humps. They have all those options for cloners. With AKs, you start with the kit and then get the receiver. Putting one together bit by bit is tougher than an AR since the different years, countries, and caliber modifications make very few things universal. ETA: if you just want a 16" rifle slinging 7.62x39, I'd just get an upper or two for that KS47 lower you just bought. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:49:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: No deep pockets Shallow pockets lol Please see my post above too Am I better served with another factory gun like a $700 PSA? @scott_s Currently have a m85 5.56 SBR and wasr64 SBR. No 16” 762x39 which would be my ultimate goal here… If you get a PSA AK in 7.62x39, get one that has the FN CHF barrel. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:07:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PointBlank82]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: No deep pockets Shallow pockets lol Please see my post above too Am I better served with another factory gun like a $700 PSA? @scott_s Currently have a m85 5.56 SBR and wasr64 SBR. No 16” 762x39 which would be my ultimate goal here… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By Scott_S: I’ve built several AKs, from both flats and commercial receivers and using screws and later rivets. I parkerized one that my late father-in-law and I built for him as a Father’s Day gift. I wouldn’t say that necessarily makes me an “AK” guy. We’re well past the heyday of not just AK parts kits but FAL and other milsurp parts kits. Fifteen or twenty years ago I bought AMD-65 kits for $75. I just did a quick google search and the only AMD-65 kit I saw in stock was at Whatacountry for $650. For that amount of money I’m buying AR parts and receivers. AK kits no longer make economic sense. But if you have deep pockets then don’t let me dissuade you. There certainly is satisfaction from building your own. No deep pockets Shallow pockets lol Please see my post above too Am I better served with another factory gun like a $700 PSA? @scott_s Currently have a m85 5.56 SBR and wasr64 SBR. No 16” 762x39 which would be my ultimate goal here… @bradpierson26  Attached FileI hear you can live quite well with only one Kidney too... |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:47:54 PM EDT
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Already mentioned but a good mill and a good lathe along with tooling. Democrats along with their 20 million new illegal alien voters will not stop until everything is banned.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: I think I would buy a pallet of PSA lowers. They're practically giving them away and you might be able to trade them for something in the future, even if it's not a one for one. $29-39 is dirt cheap |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott_S: Personally I'd lean toward FFL. At the very least I'd want a factory-looking receiver in case it got LE attention. I imagine most officers are unfamiliar with laws regarding home-built guns, much less stuff like 922(R). Thats how I recorded mine. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:55:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: … Am I better served with another factory gun like a $700 PSA? @scott_s Currently have a m85 5.56 SBR and wasr64 SBR. No 16” 762x39 which would be my ultimate goal here… Well, a factory gun would certainly be cheaper and considerably less effort than rolling your own. I use my AK mostly for launching golf balls. For shooting 7.62x39 I much prefer my 16”-barreled AR so chambered. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:10:59 PM EDT
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At this point it's ammonand mags
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:57:26 PM EDT
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snagged a ak47 and 74 receiver
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:52:13 PM EDT
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ETA 4/25: Just got this email: PM63 parts kit. Any receivers available?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: ETA 4/25: Just got this email: PM63 parts kit. Any receivers available? If you're not building it as a select-fire SMG/PDW then it's a whole lot of additional effort, and if you accomplish all of that successfully (which is extremely difficult) then you just end up with a big underpowered pistol.  Looks like Pioneer Arms has new semi-auto receivers, but I think they only sell complete firearms. They had some serious production issues when they were first released. Hopefully that's all been worked out. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:39:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Most people building post samples use a jig and weld the original receiver parts back together. (Afterwards there's lots of fitting and fine-tuning, of course.) If you're not building it as a select-fire SMG/PDW then it's a whole lot of additional effort, and if you accomplish all of that successfully (which is extremely difficult) then you just end up with a big underpowered pistol. Looks like Pioneer Arms has new semi-auto receivers, but I think they only sell complete firearms. They had some serious production issues when they were first released. Hopefully that's all been worked out. Damn damn damn |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:03:38 PM EDT
[#23]
Another PSA $29.99 stealth stripped lower
$40.99 delivered to my FFL |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:09:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Another PSA $29.99 stealth stripped lower $40.99 delivered to my FFL Who are you using for FFL? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:15:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Get a BAT long action bolt receiver then build it as you please.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:43:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XJ: Who are you using for FFL? springs Armory $32 or something and $5 per extra gun. I’m going on ten days since my first one showed up and tracking says another shows up Wednesday plus this new stripped lower We’re going to see how long they hold them all before they give me a hard time lol |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:56:38 PM EDT
[#27]
If you don’t go balls deep on PSA lowers at 29.99, you need viagra.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:00:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:50:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creole_Cat: If you don’t go balls deep on PSA lowers at 29.99, you need viagra. Man, I bought five just to match the five PSA uppers I have. Not sure what I'll do with all these Andersons. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:03:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BullpupFan]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creole_Cat: If you don’t go balls deep on PSA lowers at 29.99, you need viagra. Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:26:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Originally Posted By Creole_Cat: If you don’t go balls deep on PSA lowers at 29.99, you need viagra. Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) This. Shipping cost has saved my wallet from PSA many times. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:28:48 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By BullpupFan: Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them Might be one of my last PSA orders. Pretty sure they'll shutdown drop shipping stuff to addresses that differ from your billing address. Can anyone from a Ban State like Washington confirm? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:49:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: ETA 4/25: Just got this email: PM63 parts kit. Any receivers available? ETA 4/23: if you’re an AK guy, help me out on page 3 please I’m assuming we’re getting an AWB here in CO. Presume I have enough AR lowers or could figure out 80%s so let’s leave those out I’m slightly confused on FFL vs Non-FFL AK receivers. Right when PSA kills it with Krink stuff too. I’d love one. Chinese type appeal to me I just bought an Uzi receiver, that’s a PCC I’ve not yet snagged over the years I want a (original style) Galil receiver but Atlantic wants $499 FAL? Any roller lock stuff I can snag for later? Tell me how to maximize my options ETA: I need more AK advice on FFL vs non FFL receivers… ETA 4/23: Bought a PSA KS-47 lower for $199 You are aware they could make them all illegal with no “grandfather” clause, right? Spend all the money then find out they’re still illegal and if you’re caught it’s federal prison time. They could write the model KS-47 is an assault weapon and not allowed. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:00:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durtychemist: You are aware they could make them all illegal with no “grandfather” clause, right? Spend all the money then find out they’re still illegal and if you’re caught it’s federal prison time. They could write the model KS-47 is an assault weapon and not allowed. Should he turn them in when they are “illegal” |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:04:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By BullpupFan: Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them $9 to ship one lower doesn't bother me either. And I agree with what you say about PSA. But no way in hell I'm paying $36 to ship 4 lowers which is what it rings in as. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:18:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: $9 to ship one lower doesn't bother me either. And I agree with what you say about PSA. But no way in hell I'm paying $36 to ship 4 lowers which is what it rings in as. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By BullpupFan: Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them $9 to ship one lower doesn't bother me either. And I agree with what you say about PSA. But no way in hell I'm paying $36 to ship 4 lowers which is what it rings in as. Free shipping for complete lower It's been a while since I've priced lower parts though |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:49:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: We need to stop this mindset Eventually there will be no free states to move to. Stand and fight by running for local government. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: Originally Posted By wakeboarder: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: I'm assuming we're getting an AWB here in CO. Presume I have enough AR lowers or could figure out 80%s so let's leave those out I'm slightly confused on FFL vs Non-FFL AK receivers. Right when PSA kills it with Krink stuff too. I'd love one. Chinese type appeal to me I just bought an Uzi receiver, that's a PCC I've not yet snagged over the years I want a (original style) Galil receiver but Atlantic wants $499 FAL? Any roller lock stuff I can snag for later? Tell me how to maximize my options Move to a free state Eventually there will be no free states to move to. Stand and fight by running for local government. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:52:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durtychemist: You are aware they could make them all illegal with no “grandfather” clause, right? Spend all the money then find out they’re still illegal and if you’re caught it’s federal prison time. They could write the model KS-47 is an assault weapon and not allowed. I’m not going to jail Period |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: $9 to ship one lower doesn't bother me either. And I agree with what you say about PSA. But no way in hell I'm paying $36 to ship 4 lowers which is what it rings in as. Yes, that may be different, excessive or simply poor shipping software… |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:09:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: $9 to ship one lower doesn't bother me either. And I agree with what you say about PSA. But no way in hell I'm paying $36 to ship 4 lowers which is what it rings in as. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By BullpupFan: Except you can get Andersons on sale at that price from folks who don’t charge $9 PER LOWER to ship them. (And who don’t collect sales tax if you’re lucky/careful in choosing) I’m not upset over $9 shipping on a small FedEx box PSA is a great asset to our community, I can’t be upset with them $9 to ship one lower doesn't bother me either. And I agree with what you say about PSA. But no way in hell I'm paying $36 to ship 4 lowers which is what it rings in as. This. Sorry I wasn’t clear. $9 x N is what bugs me. Second one should cost a buck or two additional shipping at most. I’ve been VERY pleased with AR15DISCOUNTS.COM lately - can upload the FFL during ordering, shipping increases sanely with quantity increases and they’re shipping quickly. Prices fluctuate so gotta stay on top of them and buy promptly when appropriate. |
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