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Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine:
One day when I was like 8 on the way home from baseball practice, a group of older special needs people showed up at the Burger King we were eating at. One middle aged mentally challenged guy was walking past our booth as we were eating and he stops and the foot of our table and looks at my dad dead in the eye and says "HIIIIIIII".

Now, I'm utterly at a loss for words. My dad isn't exactly the most politely spoken man in the world and isn't above making fun of people for their shortcomings. I'm half scared, half curious how my dad is going to respond to him.

My dad is literally chewing on his Whopper when this happens. He puts it down and turns to the guy and with no emotion on his face says "HI" and waves to him. The mentally challenged man was super happy about that and got a little smile and walked away.

My dad picks his Whopper back up and takes a bite, no emotion, like nothing just happened. He takes a bite and then says to me, "Son, you always have to be nice to the retards", and goes back to finish his Whopper. He was 100% serious. I don't think I said anything for the next 10 minutes.

And that lesson has stuck with me ever since. Which is why I'm not going to make a comment about your post.

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LuLz

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So try as you may, feeble, your attempt to atone
Your words to erase all the damage cannot

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Oiparhon Joined Mar 2011 Posts 6068 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 4/22/2024 6:48:36 PM EDT [#4] Quote History Originally Posted By thepantydropper: ...If anything, their mind would be geared at survival not truth... View Quote And if anything, your mind would be geared towards worship or salvation. What makes you think you have a handle on truth?

Alex_F Not in lockstep with The Hive™ Joined Dec 2002 Posts 35015 EE 100% (64) VA, USA	Posted: 4/22/2024 6:50:19 PM EDT [#5] Quote History Originally Posted By ajacobs: Wait..religious people think god controls their thoughts? View Quote that's basically what I read there, yeah.
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Kingdead Member Joined Mar 2013 Posts 20689 EE 100% (6) WI, USA	Posted: 4/22/2024 6:51:37 PM EDT [#6] So we allow trolls like this (don't forget about the "my atheist friend got mugged" thread), but then ban thorazine?

Wsr4325 Member Joined Apr 2020 Posts 265 EE 0% (0) MI, USA	Posted: 4/22/2024 7:12:59 PM EDT [#7] Born agains are hilarious

thepantydropper Joined Apr 2018 Posts 755 EE 0% (0) NV, USA	Posted: 4/22/2024 7:16:21 PM EDT [#8] Typical atheist response. Personal attacks but not response to the question at hand.

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
Typical atheist response.

Personal attacks but not response to the question at hand.

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If you are quoting me, I responded to you on page one. Your history of posting is trolling at best.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Update-on-Atheist-ex-friend-who-was-beat-up/5-2691399/?

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Originally Posted By Rodent:
Natural selection is the opposite of "random".

And atheism is the opposite of religion. It has no belief in or worship of gods or anything supernatural.

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:

I would argue that atheism is actually a secular religion that believes in an extremely long series of extremely unlikely random events, but in which the extremely common random catastrophic events that should co-exist within such a system are for some reason not occurring. This requires a very large leap of faith, especially considering true random doesn't even exist. Some things are just too complicated for us to accurately predict, so we call them random, even though they actually are not. I'm not arguing that any religion is correct, but merely that atheism is actually a religion, and is probably not correct either.

No matter what you believe, you can never fully trust your thoughts, or anyone else's. We have a limited view of the world, our minds are influenced by many factors, and we have limited knowledge of those influences.

Natural selection is the opposite of "random".

And atheism is the opposite of religion. It has no belief in or worship of gods or anything supernatural.

I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, if "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss.

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:
I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss.

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Just like not playing baseball is a sport?

Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion.

What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning.

FMJshooter Joined Nov 2004 Posts 24032 EE 100% (22) FL, USA	Posted: 4/22/2024 7:32:20 PM EDT [Last Edit: FMJshooter] [#12] Computer code written by an author vs. random code that managed to filter out it's own bad bits of code without crashing the computer.

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
I'll try to articulate my thoughts more clearly.

As a theist, I believe that God created me in his image, giving me purpose and meaning in life.

The atheist believes they are a cosmic accident. Here through a random evolutionary process that never had them in mind. If anything, their mind would be geared at survival not truth.

An ample analogy might be this. Imagine walking into a room and finding a computer. It has no designer and came to exist by random chance. Would you trust its output?

Yet the atheist trusts their own brain to formulate logical
conclusions? Why?

Regarding atoms, thoughts occur as a result of interactions of molecules, which are complex arrangements of atoms.

How can an atheist claim their brain fizz is "right" and an opposing brain fizz is "wrong?"

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People break down into two groups when they experience something lucky. Group number one sees it as more than luck, more than coincidence. They see it as a sign, evidence, that there is someone up there, watching out for them. Group number two sees it as just pure luck. A happy turn of chance. I'm sure the people in group number two are looking at a new thepantydropper thread in a very suspicious way. For them, this situation is a fifty-fifty. Could be bad, could be good. But deep down, they feel that whatever happens, they're on their own. And that... fills them with fear. Yeah, there are those people. But there's a whole lot of people in the group number one. When they see this thepantydropper thread, they're looking at a miracle. And deep down, they feel that, whatever's going to happen, there'll be someone there to help them. And that fills them with hope. See, what you have to ask yourself is what kind of person are you? Are you the kind that sees signs, sees miracles? Or do you believe that people just get lucky? Or, look at the question this way. Is it possible that there are no coincidences?

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth?

It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts.

I’ve used the google but found no good answer to this question.

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One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

We've now proven that we have zero rights, just what privileges we are allowed at any given time.
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Originally Posted By Kingdead:
Just like not playing baseball is a sport?

Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion.

What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning.

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:
I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss.

Just like not playing baseball is a sport?

Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion.

What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning.

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being.

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

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One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth?

It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts.

I've used the google but found no good answer to this question.

What say the Atheists here?

One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other!

That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man?

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

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Atheism or more correctly probably agnosticism requires no leap of faith. They claim that they don't know why the universe is the way it is. There isn't a defensible nor demonstrable explanation. By putting faith on them you are making the idea of faith more defensible. The very idea of faith makes no sense to them.

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Originally Posted By Kingdead:
Atheism or more correctly probably agnosticism requires no leap of faith. They claim that they don't know why the universe is the way it is. There isn't a defensible nor demonstrable explanation. By putting faith on them you are making the idea of faith more defensible. The very idea of faith makes no sense to them.

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

Atheism or more correctly probably agnosticism requires no leap of faith. They claim that they don't know why the universe is the way it is. There isn't a defensible nor demonstrable explanation. By putting faith on them you are making the idea of faith more defensible. The very idea of faith makes no sense to them.

I'm not talking about agnosticism, or people that are agnostic but think the word for that is atheist. I'm talking about atheism, which from my point of view, is a secular religion. Agnostics refuse to take a leap of faith and admit they don't know. Atheists however, take a leap of faith that requires a suspension of scientific and mathematical knowledge, call it science, and claim that there is nothing beyond the physical and random chance given enough time.

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:
I'm not talking about agnosticism, or people that are agnostic but think the word for that is atheist. I'm talking about atheism, which from my point of view, is a secular religion. Agnostics refuse to take a leap of faith and admit they don't know. Atheists however, take a leap of faith that requires a suspension of scientific and mathematical knowledge, call it science, and claim that there is nothing beyond the physical and random chance given enough time.

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I think the Blind Watchmaker makes more logical claims for atheism and evolution than it does for theism. I dont think OP is strictly attacking atheists, I'm assuming he's lumping in agnostics as well.

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Originally Posted By TGE:
Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other!

That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man?

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Originally Posted By TGE:

Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:

Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth?

It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts.

I've used the google but found no good answer to this question.

What say the Atheists here?

One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other!

That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man?

Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz?

Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance?

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I think the Blind Watchmaker makes more logical claims for atheism and evolution than it does for theism. I dont think OP is strictly attacking atheists, I'm assuming he's lumping in agnostics as well.

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Originally Posted By Kingdead:

Originally Posted By KYLiberty:
I'm not talking about agnosticism, or people that are agnostic but think the word for that is atheist. I'm talking about atheism, which from my point of view, is a secular religion. Agnostics refuse to take a leap of faith and admit they don't know. Atheists however, take a leap of faith that requires a suspension of scientific and mathematical knowledge, call it science, and claim that there is nothing beyond the physical and random chance given enough time.

I think the Blind Watchmaker makes more logical claims for atheism and evolution than it does for theism. I dont think OP is strictly attacking atheists, I'm assuming he's lumping in agnostics as well.

OP probably is. I however, am not. I am saying that I don't believe that any mainstream religion has it right, including atheism, which I see as a secular religion. As a mathematician and a scientist, I can very easily see the gigantic problem with evolution and the origin of species as currently taught, but can also see the problems in religious texts. I can also see the adaptation that is actually occurring, the development of layers of interdependent systems, and it truly fascinates me.

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:

Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz?

Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance?

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:

Originally Posted By TGE:

Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:

Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth?

It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts.

I've used the google but found no good answer to this question.

What say the Atheists here?

One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other!

That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man?

Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz?

Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance?

Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves

Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain?

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

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Originally Posted By Kingdead:

Originally Posted By KYLiberty:
I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss.

Just like not playing baseball is a sport?

Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion.

What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning.

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being.

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else.

Do you lack the critical thinking skills needed to figure out how to hotlink?

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OP probably is. I however, am not. I am saying that I don't believe that any mainstream religion has it right, including atheism, which I see as a secular religion. As a mathematician and a scientist, I can very easily see the gigantic problem with evolution and the origin of species as currently taught, but can also see the problems in religious texts. I can also see the adaptation that is actually occurring, the development of layers of interdependent systems, and it truly fascinates me.

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It is indeed very interesting and peculiar. Why have matter, space, and time instead of nothing?

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Originally Posted By TGE:

Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves

Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain?

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Originally Posted By thepantydropper:

Originally Posted By TGE:

Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:

Originally Posted By thepantydropper:
If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth?

It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts.

I've used the google but found no good answer to this question.

What say the Atheists here?

One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other!

That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man?

Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz?

Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance?

Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves

Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain?

No, I don’t believe God created my thoughts.

I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb.

In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth.

In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument.

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It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else.

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Originally Posted By KYLiberty:

Originally Posted By Kingdead:

Originally Posted By KYLiberty:
I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss.

Just like not playing baseball is a sport?

Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion.

What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning.

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being.

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else.

Doesn’t the problem of induction require faith that the future will be like the past?

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Posted: 4/22/2024 8:59:23 PM EDT

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It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else.

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I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss.

Just like not playing baseball is a sport?

Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion.

What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning.

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being.

No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities.

It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else.

The belief in true random requires either a leap of faith, or an ignorance of math and science. You really should have learned in school that true random doesn't exist, but a lot of education these days is more indoctrination than education, so I don't know if that is taught anymore since it's a big problem for the current ideology being pushed.

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Posted: 4/22/2024 9:02:25 PM EDT

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No, I don't believe God created my thoughts.

I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb.

In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth.

In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument.

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If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth?

It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts.

I've used the google but found no good answer to this question.

What say the Atheists here?

One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble.

Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other!

That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man?

Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz?

Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance?

Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves

Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain?

No, I don't believe God created my thoughts.

I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb.

In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth.

In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument.

Cool. Unfortunately if you aren't capable of processing any other theory or position, I'm forced to question how good of a job God did with your particular genes.

Many people have adequately laid out counter arguments in this thread, but you don't seem to be able to grasp them. Or you're just trolling with your brain atom collider theory lol

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Posted: 4/22/2024 9:11:14 PM EDT

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Cool. Unfortunately if you aren't capable of processing any other theory or position, I'm forced to question how good of a job God did with your particular genes.

Many people have adequately laid out counter arguments in this thread, but you don't seem to be able to grasp them. Or you're just trolling with your brain atom collider theory lol