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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 4:59:06 PM EDT
[#1]
I raised my kids to change the world.  They will improvise, adapt, and overcome any obstacles that they can't just bypass..
Hannibal Barca had it right.  If you cannot find a way, make one...
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 4:59:14 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm not young but I learned at an early age the future held nothing good.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 4:59:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Wasn’t the world supposed to end in nuclear winter 50 years ago?
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:03:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By roa:
Opportunities are still there, just not the same paths to success as the past.  Like always.

Be willing to work, stay out of trouble, realize it takes time to succeed. Be flexible and look for opportunities, esp when young.  The world is still waiting to receive you with open arms.

Don't want to work, don't value learning, demand the best immediately just cause your awesome - the world will be full of disappointment.
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That whole looking for opportunities thing escapes a lot of people.  Even here.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:06:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Explorer225:
I'm not young but I learned at an early age the future held nothing good.
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An early learner with the right attitude!
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:11:58 PM EDT
[#6]
I’m thinking about starting a post about the best time of my life.

I was dirt poor. How poor? No tv. Found couch on side of road, no bed frame, etc.

Read all the time. I was always down for whatever so friends and I would see plays, independent films  etc.  girlfriends knew I was poor and lazy but mildly amusing so they kept me around. Actually I was irritating aloof and horny. Some reason they liked that.

I have mortgages now, private school tuition and I pretend to be a professional. My son is fum but the rest sucks
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:18:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Denwad:
I'm 34 and I don't see a future either , and I'm pretty set. I fear for my daughter, her siblings and their future kids.


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This. I'm in my late 30's.

I have an OK job and a nice house with about a decade left on the note... but I worry about what my kids will be doing.

Inflation is crazy with no spending slowdowns, energy costs are going to get especially crazy as the greenie-weenies advance their agenda, housing is at its least affordability ever,  AI is going kill a great many jobs (the human mind is becoming obsolete), our own government is replacing Americans with 3rd-world shit-holers killing the unskilled labor markets, liberal states are outright giving SCOTUS the finger in their march to going full on commie, racial divides are deeper than they've been in half a century, US debt is so big it will never get paid off, no way SS/Medicare can remain solvent though the baby-boomer strain without significant cuts or age extensions, and our biggest military adversary literally makes every other item on our shelves has 4X more people and can out manufacture us with ease.

none of that even touches on the cultural rot we have going with drugs, DEI, gender, social media, FSA, media disinformation, or political divide.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:18:24 PM EDT
[#8]
All trades are looking for apprentices. Work is their solution.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:20:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mikencp226:
So, so fortunate to have retired 2/29/24
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Yeah but if nobodys working it's back to work soon.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:21:34 PM EDT
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I'm reluctant to even post on this.

I'm gen X and had nothing ever handed to me. My first home was $97k at 6.25%. I was making about $8.75 an hour in 1992. Yes, I also had school loans. I was working 3 jobs 7 days a week to afford it. I've seen market downturns, economic crisis, stock slumps, high gas prices, etc. I have lived in my truck under an uninsulated borrowed camper shell on the edge of a swamp. I saw what needed to be done and set out to doing it the best I could in a place where wages and opportunities were little to none. Sure....some had it easier, but it's never the same for everyone everywhere. I'm sure many X'ers have similar stories, and many that don't.

I don't know how kids (Gen Z) could get ahead, but there's a path. It's just not the one they want to take.
They say they have the edge because of being raised on computers. They make fun of the Boomers for not embracing and growing with the tech (which many of them could easily had done if they tried to keep up)
A lot of them, not all, but many claim that they are so smart because of the information available to them at their fingertips, yet can't seem to figure out why they have no money.
Most don't want physical jobs for the most part. I know some young guys in the trades just crushing it. I had all the worst jobs one could ever have. Both physical and disgusting.
Most have a hard on for the "unfair and barbaric" 40 hour work week.
Most have fell for the "The rich don't pay their fair share", but can't ever say what amount that share should be. Because the Democrats just have them repeating and believing it.
Dining out and having meals dropped off to them, along with not sacking a lunch and sucking on $5 energy drinks and coffees is killing them.
Look at their life goals. Many just want to make videos or be "influencers". Just like pro ball players, not everyone who picks up a ball is going to make it.
And yes.....everything is just more expensive. And that sucks for everybody.
And the price on everything keeps going up. They are angry, but for the most part just giving up because they have come to the conclusion that everyone had it easier and why even try.
I see many that could make their situations better if they would focus on themselves instead of everyone else. With a few simple tweaks to their lifestyle, they can see instant improvement. And then build on that.

Millenials are in their 40's now and sacked with mortgages, car payments and are just now getting into their bigger $ years in their careers (which I never had)
They are struggling also, because getting ahead and staying there is getting tougher and tougher. They have all they can do to just hold on. They are looking at crushing car payments and counting pennies. Praying that their kids stick to only one sport.

The Boomers have their own issues. SS sure isn't keeping up with rampant inflation and as they approach the age where more health care is needed, those costs go up too. They are stuck between having jobs with pensions that stopped as the country went to 401k's. The smart ones took advantage of both. So yes, the smart ones really had an advantage. But they also saw economic downturns and recession. The one in 1980 was particuarly nasty with lots of people out of work for quite a while.
And now many, who stupidly relied on SS and the bones they are thrown for adjustment on it not figuring in that the price of everything doubles every 20 years, are forced to return to work. And that 20 year rule is all out the window now.

The point is that nobody has had it that easy. The warfare around the different age classes is all bullshit. It's what you make of it and what I realize I should have started doing 10 years sooner, but I was stubborn, couldn't imagine moving and at one time found myself talking shit about how "The Man" is holding me down nd I'll never get ahead. Fortunately, I caught myself  making bullshit excuses for myself very early and made a plan. It was hard, but I stuck to it. I worked 7 days a week with 11 days off for weekends and holidays per year. I did that for 14 straight years. Yes, I had more than my friends. Yes I had a nice home for my area, but the cost was too damned high in the toll it was taking on me. But I made it.
I'm NOT saying everyone should do that. I rather they be smarter than having to do that.
But it starts by taking responsibility and thinking your way through the problems.....and sometimes realizing the first problem that needs fixing is yourself and your vision of what you want.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:22:25 PM EDT
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good vid, thanks OP.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:26:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lorax:
I'm reluctant to even post on this.

I'm gen X and had nothing ever handed to me. My first home was $97k at 6.25%. I was making about $8.75 an hour in 1992. Yes, I also had school loans. I was working 3 jobs 7 days a week to afford it. I've seen market downturns, economic crisis, stock slumps, high gas prices, etc. I have lived in my truck under an uninsulated borrowed camper shell on the edge of a swamp. I saw what needed to be done and set out to doing it the best I could in a place where wages and opportunities were little to none. Sure....some had it easier, but it's never the same for everyone everywhere. I'm sure many X'ers have similar stories, and many that don't.

I don't know how kids (Gen Z) could get ahead, but there's a path. It's just not the one they want to take.
They say they have the edge because of being raised on computers. They make fun of the Boomers for not embracing and growing with the tech (which many of them could easily had done if they tried to keep up)
A lot of them, not all, but many claim that they are so smart because of the information available to them at their fingertips, yet can't seem to figure out why they have no money.
Most don't want physical jobs for the most part. I know some young guys in the trades just crushing it. I had all the worst jobs one could ever have. Both physical and disgusting.
Most have a hard on for the "unfair and barbaric" 40 hour work week.
Most have fell for the "The rich don't pay their fair share", but can't ever say what amount that share should be. Because the Democrats just have them repeating and believing it.
Dining out and having meals dropped off to them, along with not sacking a lunch and sucking on $5 energy drinks and coffees is killing them.
Look at their life goals. Many just want to make videos or be "influencers". Just like pro ball players, not everyone who picks up a ball is going to make it.
And yes.....everything is just more expensive. And that sucks for everybody.
And the price on everything keeps going up. They are angry, but for the most part just giving up because they have come to the conclusion that everyone had it easier and why even try.
I see many that could make their situations better if they would focus on themselves instead of everyone else. With a few simple tweaks to their lifestyle, they can see instant improvement. And then build on that.

Millenials are in their 40's now and sacked with mortgages, car payments and are just now getting into their bigger $ years in their careers (which I never had)
They are struggling also, because getting ahead and staying there is getting tougher and tougher. They have all they can do to just hold on. They are looking at crushing car payments and counting pennies. Praying that their kids stick to only one sport.

The Boomers have their own issues. SS sure isn't keeping up with rampant inflation and as they approach the age where more health care is needed, those costs go up too. They are stuck between having jobs with pensions that stopped as the country went to 401k's. The smart ones took advantage of both. So yes, the smart ones really had an advantage. But they also saw economic downturns and recession. The one in 1980 was particuarly nasty with lots of people out of work for quite a while.
And now many, who stupidly relied on SS and the bones they are thrown for adjustment on it not figuring in that the price of everything doubles every 20 years, are forced to return to work. And that 20 year rule is all out the window now.

The point is that nobody has had it that easy. The warfare around the different age classes is all bullshit. It's what you make of it and what I realize I should have started doing 10 years sooner, but I was stubborn, couldn't imagine moving and at one time found myself talking shit about how "The Man" is holding me down nd I'll never get ahead. Fortunately, I caught myself  making bullshit excuses for myself very early and made a plan. It was hard, but I stuck to it. I worked 7 days a week with 11 days off for weekends and holidays per year. I did that for 14 straight years. Yes, I had more than my friends. Yes I had a nice home for my area, but the cost was too damned high in the toll it was taking on me. But I made it.
I'm NOT saying everyone should do that. I rather they be smarter than having to do that.
But it starts by taking responsibility and thinking your way through the problems.....and sometimes realizing the first problem that needs fixing is yourself and your vision of what you want.
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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:29:35 PM EDT
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And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:29:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman:

Never did such a thing, none of my friends did either. Take your generalization and shove it.
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LOL
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:31:24 PM EDT
[#15]
I can't really blame them.

The 1600 stimulus check was nice though
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:32:57 PM EDT
[#16]
Your kids are the future. Don't have any? Not your future then.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:33:04 PM EDT
[#17]
There isnt a good one. Kids aren't stupid.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:33:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
Yet they continue to vote Democrat.
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Voting has nothing to do with it. You really think Republicans are going to save the day?

The current problems cannot be solved by voting.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:34:24 PM EDT
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They don't understand how many more opportunities they'd have without 40 million illegals here, or understand how 40 million illegals impact the supply and demand graph when it comes to housing.  They've been brainwashed into embracing their chains by a couple generations of marxist indoctrination in the government schools.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:35:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
Yet they continue to vote Democrat.
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Is it surprising to you that the party that promises help beats the party that promises nothing in demographics that have little hope?

Democrats promises are bullshit but they are easier to sell than nothing .  The only thing Republicans promise is more war abortion bans and cutting government help.  If the GOP wants these votes they need to redesign their platform to sell a transformation of government that is designed to help people succeed rather than just pull up your bootstraps.  The welfare promise will beat that every time with younger and lower income people .
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:37:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:37:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wrc777:


I am 47 and right there with you.
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Originally Posted By wrc777:
Originally Posted By Denwad:
I'm 34 and I don't see a future either , and I'm pretty set. I fear for my daughter, her siblings and their future kids.




I am 47 and right there with you.
41 and feel the same. There is nothing good on the horizon.
Even if Trump gets reelected he is merely a single breath to a drowning man.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:38:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Smash47:
2/09/24 for me. Glad our generation kept our shit together. Wait till those in charge now allow furries their rights to vote. It's all on them now lol.

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.....I mean, furries already vote. And "those in charge" are by and large closer to your age than they are to those got dayum millennials. We're all still trying to figure out why so many of the kids you were supposed to set an example for turned into a bunch of leftist moonbats
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:41:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Denwad:
I'm 34 and I don't see a future either , and I'm pretty set. I fear for my daughter, her siblings and their future kids.


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Same here.  Another poster in a different thread said it perfectly.  In 40 years American will be a run down latian American favella.  If white people are not literally, not joking, enslaved or straight up genocided I will be surprised.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:41:42 PM EDT
[#25]
Yeah well I’m 40 and pissed off at everything.  Welcome to the club, assholes.  

As for the future.  I see a future of pain.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:43:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cavedog:
Not all of them.  Some are determined to make a life for themselves.

Thread is doom porn, and the doomers will be flagellating up and down this mother.
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Not necessarily doom. People are greatly concerned. How is that doom ? How many setbacks could you endure before you'd be damn wtf happened ?
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:47:24 PM EDT
[#27]
I don't blame them one bit. I pray daily for my kids and grandkids who will have to endure the future in this once free and prosperous country.

Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:49:41 PM EDT
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Who was wealthy when they were young and fresh out of college? Who was wealthy after a decade or even possibly two of work? Of course people that are well established in their careers are wealthy after decades of labor. It doesn’t happen over night folks. Stories like these are nonsense.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:50:12 PM EDT
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Yet they're still better off than 99.9% of humanity ever was.
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THIS. Is gaslighting. This is what people say when they want your children to meekly accept a worse standard of living than they had.

Never listen to these people. They are fucking you in the ass and want you to think it's last night's mexican food.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:55:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Oh well.

On a related note, I just received a huge, heavy box of ammo.

Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:56:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:57:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By XJ:
Wasn’t the world supposed to end in nuclear winter 50 years ago?
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At this point, we deserve the Asteroid.

Just let the bullseye be D.C. so they die slightly sooner than the rest of us, please.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:57:54 PM EDT
[#34]
They don’t HAVE a future unless they get their shit together and vote ALL Democrats out of office. They are on the runaway elevator to poverty as we tax and spend their future
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 5:59:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ruger556boy:

Same here.  Another poster in a different thread said it perfectly.  In 40 years American will be a run down latian American favella.  If white people are not literally, not joking, enslaved or straight up genocided I will be surprised.
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Originally Posted By ruger556boy:
Originally Posted By Denwad:
I'm 34 and I don't see a future either , and I'm pretty set. I fear for my daughter, her siblings and their future kids.



Same here.  Another poster in a different thread said it perfectly.  In 40 years American will be a run down latian American favella.  If white people are not literally, not joking, enslaved or straight up genocided I will be surprised.


I think that's what's in the cards and its why I don't understand how people cannot see the writing on the wall. I think it's a mix of boomers who are too entitled to sacrifice for their kids, and kids who have been brainwashed to think the greatest service they can give to the world is to commit suicide and end their bloodline, with castrating their children a close 2nd as a runners up prize. As bad as war is, we're fucking doomed if there's not political violence in the next decade or two. It's a matter of survival and anyone with the ability to project current trends should be able to see it. Maybe they're in denial, I don't know.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:02:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By icemann0:
They don’t HAVE a future unless they get their shit together and vote ALL Democrats out of office. They are on the runaway elevator to poverty as we tax and spend their future
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This shit won't be fixed by voting republican either.

The solution is always political, but at this point, no one who's being honest thinks its going to be entirely peaceful. Those in charge are too arrogant to accept strongly worded objections.

They will not listen to anything but force because they've played chicken and won against the American people too many times over the last century.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:03:31 PM EDT
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They are consuming the most amount of propaganda and have no or the least amount of experience dealing with it.

They're pissed off at everything they're being told to be pissed off about by various world socialist governments.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:04:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HecklerKac:
Kids aren't stupid.


lol



This might be the most appropriate DK “lol” ever posted.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:05:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:07:32 PM EDT
[#40]

You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:14:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman:
Depends. Some of my generation fits the typical GD assumption of what a Gen Z is. Some don't. Me and my friends think things suck right now, but we know we've got to make shit work somehow. That being said, 10 out of 10 would not recommend trying to get a good life started right now.
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renters lol.  imagine being that poor.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:14:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NewUsername:
A bunch of spoiled brats.  What they need is a good draft and a world war to show them how good they have it!
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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:15:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman:

I'd settle for a small house but even those are 300k in my state. I'd settle for my 14 and 15 year old Japanese's shitboxes. Not all of us fit your mold and would still say it sucks to start out right now.
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best i can do is a blue harbour freight tarp.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:16:51 PM EDT
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This might be the most appropriate DK “lol” ever posted.
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By HecklerKac:
Kids aren't stupid.


lol



This might be the most appropriate DK “lol” ever posted.



It's an old saying...either way even the dumbest of kids can ptobably see the writing on the wall.

Something tells me that both of you are over 50
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:17:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ruger556boy:

Same here.  Another poster in a different thread said it perfectly.  In 40 years American will be a run down latian American favella.  If white people are not literally, not joking, enslaved or straight up genocided I will be surprised.
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eh, i'll be dead by then.

i won't care.

fuck it, let merica burn.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:21:15 PM EDT
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I've read multiple studies that found Milli and Gen males were opting out of dating because they watch porn on the web and jerk off all night.  I guess you can call them "Voluntary Incels", which would explain their attitude.  I suspect it's hard to bring a girl back to your mom's house.  That means young Milli and Gen females don't have anyone to manipulate and string along, so they're unhappy too.


They're messed up pretty bad.  I guess participation trophies did more harm than predicted.

Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:21:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By XJ:
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Yeah, dang.  Kids these days aren’t growing up under the  constant threat of an almost instant nuclear war.
Dependency on oil from the Middle East, which periodically went to war and cut output.
Serious inflation in the 70’s.
Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:24:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PDP_Main:
I've read multiple studies that found Milli and Gen males were opting out of dating because they watch porn on the web and jerk off all night.  I guess you can call them "Voluntary Incels", which would explain their attitude.  I suspect it's hard to bring a girl back to your mom's house.  That means young Milli and Gen females don't have anyone to manipulate and string along, so they're unhappy too.


They're messed up pretty bad.  I guess participation trophies did more harm than predicted.

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Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:26:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Paul:
They are consuming the most amount of propaganda and have no or the least amount of experience dealing with it.

They're pissed off at everything they're being told to be pissed off about by various world socialist governments.
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I don't think they are smart enough to see socialism on the horizon and know it's not going to be what they were promised.  That will result in a whiny brat tantrum unmatched in human history.

There is a lot of work that needs to be done to right this ship, and the Millis and Gennies don't have the shoes for it.  They aren't used to having to work or win to get their trophy.  One thing is certain, they deserve the future they'll get.

Link Posted: 4/24/2024 6:27:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII:
best i can do is a blue harbour freight tarp.
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman:

I'd settle for a small house but even those are 300k in my state. I'd settle for my 14 and 15 year old Japanese's shitboxes. Not all of us fit your mold and would still say it sucks to start out right now.
best i can do is a blue harbour freight tarp.

Look at Mr fancy pants with his thick blue tarp.

Some of us have to make due with reused garbage bags held together with old chewing gum.
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